Talk:Great Lakes Storm of 1913

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This is a spectacular article, interesting, detailed, well written. Great illustrations. Are they all legal? If so, I nominate for featured article status. alteripse 03:41, 9 Feb 2005 (UTC)

The two maps (from a blank PD map) and flag graphic were created by me, the Detroit News front page, although large in size is low enough in detail and old enough that I think it should be fair use, and the Alpena postcard is owned by the photographer, who sent me a link to the photo through email. Its copyright status is unknown but the quality is so low that it should be fair use. Thanks for the compliments! --brian0918™ 03:49, 9 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Sorry, I didn't mean to mess up the table. I like the table and am not in favor of moving to sep article. I think it would be possible to shrink the size of the table and leave it where it is. I lost access to editing while I was trying to reduce font size and redistribute col width to match content, but I think I will let you do that. Too many cooks... alteripse 18:29, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I also think the table should be kept, but the problems that browsers were having with pictures around the table make me think it should remain separate. I'm starting to like it as a separate article though, because now I have the space to add other information about the ships (length, breadth, year built, exact GPS location, etc). --brian0918™ 18:46, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC)


Spendid, well-done article. Colorful, informative images and the btrilliant prose have made this a gem on Wikipedia. Plus, the contributors got the information from reliable offline resources and cited them very well. — Stevey7788 (talk) 04:23, 11 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Edmund Fitzgerald quote

The quotations section has a reference to the "Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald" (The Gordon Lightfoot song). I'm thinking that it doesn't belong here because the Edmund Fitzgerald went down in 1975, whereas this article is about the 1913 storm. Before I yank it, what do you think? Como 22:43, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Good point. However the quote is fairly general and makes sense here too. I would be happier if we just added a note that it referred to a later storm, but I won't object if people would prefer to delete it. -- Avenue 00:19, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Seeing no further comment over the past 2 weeks, let's do it. Bigturtle 23:39, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Como added the suggested note to the article two weeks ago. I still believe the quote makes sense here, as a general commentary on the dangers of the Great Lakes (especially in November). I feel the same way about the Melville quote, which preceded the 1913 storm by over 50 years, and which no one has objected to yet. -- Avenue 11:46, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

I haven't been around until recently. Of course the Lightfoot quote is about the Edmund Fitzgerald--the title of the song makes that clear. And of course the Edmund Fitzgerald sank in 1975, that's already in the article. The point of the quote is to explain that the storm is worse when the November gale strikes while the waters are still warm, which is the case with this storm. It's a general quote, and has nothing to do with the Edmund Fitzgerald sinking, so why the complaints? I thought the quotation was perfect for the article; that's why I originally added it. It's the same reason I added the Melville quotation. There is no article on the November gale; all that information is in this article, so it makes perfect sense to list quotes about the fury of the November gale on the Great Lakes, in an article about the most dangerous November gale to ever hit the Great Lakes. — BRIAN0918 • 2006-06-02 14:33

[edit] Lightship No. 61 "Corsica Shoals"

This lightship was destroyed on Lake Huron.[1] It isn't listed in the related list of vesseles, and it obviously should be. It's being offsite was a contributing factor in the loss of the Matthew Andrews.[2] See also Huron Lightship. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 13:22, 14 April 2008 (UTC) Stan

[edit] John A. McGean discovery date and location

This wreck is listed as being proximate to Sturgeon Point Light. However, I found this on line, which indicates that it sank near Harbor Beach, Michigan.[3] 7&6=thirteen (talk) 19:52, 13 April 2008 (UTC)Stan

I've personally concluded that the McGean went down just east of Harbor Beach, Michigan. See what I wrote at Sturgeon Point Light, which contains references. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 00:24, 14 April 2008 (UTC)Stan

[edit] Isaac M. Scottdiscovery date and location

Isaac M. Scott wreck is listed as being proximate to Sturgeon Point Light. However, the location of the wreck as described in the following article seems to contradict that.[4] It states that mariners made certain assumptions about the likely direction of the vessel, and had wrongly guessed where it went down. It states: "In 1976, the wreck of the Scott was discovered at 175 feet about six to seven miles northeast of Thunder Bay Island. The vessel is upside down and half buried in the mud." 7&6=thirteen (talk) 19:55, 13 April 2008 (UTC)Stan

I've personally concluded that the Scott went down 7 miles northeast of Thunder Bay Island. See what I wrote at Sturgeon Point Light, which contains references. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 00:25, 14 April 2008 (UTC)Stan

[edit] Notes

  1. ^ U.S. Coast Guard on lighthouses and lightships.
  2. ^ Barcus, Frank, Freshwater Fury: Yarns and Reminiscences of the Greatest Storm in Inland Navigation, (1986: Wayne State University Press) 166 pages. ISBN 0-8143-1828-2.
  3. ^ Point aux Barques Lighthouse Society on John V. McGean.
  4. ^ Northeast dive news, Isaac M. Scott.