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Contents 1 Regions in NSW 2 Rail Transport in Queensland 3 A bit of trivia for you from Naples 4 Hist of Rail Trans in OZ 5 CityRail and CountryLink railway infoboxes 6 ABC edit 7 Favenc index 8 Robert Cotton 9 LU 10 Maritime history 11 Assesments 12 Palm Island 13 Richard Davey 14 Riverina Railways 15 RE Murray cod 16 Template:Riverina 17 AFD 2006 Victorian election campaign 18 Bill Knott and Peter Knott 19 Palm Island 20 Proposed deletion of Billnudgel, New South Wales 21 Orange Grove 22 Woolmer 23 Barnstar of National Merit 24 Batu Lintang camp 25 New South Wales general election campaign, 2007 26 WikiProject Munich Invitation 27 Barnstar! 28 electoral map 29 Members for Albury 30 Peter Corrigan 31 Thank you...

[edit] Regions in NSW

What source are you using for your region pages ie Central West, New South Wales, Northern Rivers, New South Wales? Doing the City of Dubbo page, I came across this site which might help you. Dubbo (according to page 7 of the 04-05 Annual report) falls in the Orana region, but the City of Dubbo site lists it as Central West, New South Wales. What do you think? Should we follow the regions as per the business.nsw.gov site and make a few alterations?SauliH 08:17, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

see also [1]SauliH 08:21, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

I am going to make a few changes, after creating the Orana, New South Wales region article. Hope you do not mind.SauliH 09:15, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rail Transport in Queensland

Graham, I think it would have appropriate had there been some discussion before the arbitary removal of QR's history to the Rail_transport_in_Queensland article. The history of nearly all railways in Queensland is the history of QR, and to artifically separate it is - well - artificial, and reduces the QR article to that of a mere operator, rather than an instrument of government development of Queensland.

I accept that the transfer is effectively a fait accompli, and that little would be gained from a reversion war, apart from annoying *both* of us, rather than just me - I share similar celtic ancestry to yourself, and seem to have inherited all the bad temperment genes :-) - but I'm thinking that some mention of QR's role in development should be left on it's page, considering that it is the last of Australia's original railway systems to remain more or less organisationally intact.Johnmc 08:46, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] A bit of trivia for you from Naples

Thanks for putting the picture on the Naples page. If you are interested in a metro line in Naples that bever got built, see

http://faculty.ed.umuc.edu/~jmatthew/naples/blog22.htm#jul28

Cheers from Naples. Jeffmatt 06:45, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hist of Rail Trans in OZ

Impressed by your intrepid sloggin along with it - I think there is sign of the beginning of a rail section in the Port Hedland/Pilbara articles you might need to know about if you havent seen it/them - not sure how far it will go at the moment though .. Keep at it - good work! SatuSuro 13:03, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Gnangarra (whos going for rfa at the moment alerted me to may and gray (or vice versa) which I now have a copy of - and it has no index - but a fine array of dates despite the main text being oriented towards passenger rolling stock - there was a series of the 'Westland' the Arhs local branch month;ly which exploited a list of opening and starting dates for all the lines - I dont own that set yet - also highams book is not the best for culling info - the one which I am most impressed by is - Quinlan, Howard & Newland, John R. Australian Railway Routes 1854-2000 2000. ISBN 0-909650-49-7,

I would say if you could get a hold of that it might solve some problems for you! SatuSuro 13:20, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] CityRail and CountryLink railway infoboxes

Hi Grahamec, thanks for your work on railway stuff, and for getting pictures of our country railway stations too. I was writing to ask you a question - you have been including links to the town in the CityRail infoboxes. While I never minded it for when the article was a stub or did not make adequate reference to the town itself, my inclination has always been that the bulk of the article should be in the article mainspace, not the infobox; so as I have fixed up articles to what I deem a "minimum standard" (with platform, connection information, a new-style infobox, and a brief description (which, eg. the Southern Highlands line now has), I have taken away the links and made it very clear that the station serves suburb X & Y. I was wondering what your views on this were, and whether it's worth leaving out the links, or whether a repeat of information is necessary. This is not meant to be a criticism, I just wanted to know your reasons for adding the link where the article has been fixed up. JROBBO 11:35, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

I don't feel strongly about this. It's not hard to put a link in userboxes and some people might expect them, but if you prefer not I'll desist.--Grahamec 11:40, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

I had a thought after writing this - for stations where the suburb is actually different to the station name (like City stations), it's probably helpful to have a link, so keep including them, but we'll leave it at just the suburb name for the moment. Thanks for your help. JROBBO 11:43, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] ABC edit

Thanks for the copyedit. Reads a whole lot better. AND I do need to learn how to cite correctly. It is not the first time you updated my citations - would save us some time. SauliH 15:52, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

It was not the lecture but his 'report' in the appendix to the 'Friends' submission. I changed refs and I think they are positioned correctly now. SauliH 02:28, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Favenc index

I am planning on merging the Favenc section with the expedition list. At present there is obviously a huge double-up of dates etc, which we need to condense down. I started to link the names, and figured that I was probably best to leave it for now. Great job, on repointing all the redlinks in the Giles section. SauliH 00:49, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

seem to have been up all night - I actually live in Minnesota, USA. Expat. My hours are hard for a few editors to work out - I work late in the evening, and then sometimes on a day off. :) SauliH 00:57, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Robert Cotton

Good work on a fine article. Shame he had to die for it to happen though!Garrie 05:42, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] LU

Just thought i would say your additions and general clearing up of the London Underground article look good. Hopefully the article will become a fatured article again in the near future. Simply south 00:55, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Maritime history

Hey - I think we might need a chat - I have a real problem with the structure of the whole ship.maritime thingy on wikipedia - and I do not fully agree with your recent shift - but I am sure we can come to some happy resolution of all this! I am busy offline at the moment - but you might like to have a look at the issue of categories and names in the australian maritime history project page - sub page of categories... I think a redirect is what you might have needed to do rather than title change. But I am open to anything if a reasonable tie in with the maustralian maritime project in the end. All this is done on the run so please accept apologies in advance if i have misunderstood something you have done. later....SatuSuro 02:41, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your response - the main issues for me at the moment are:

• Main central aticles on transport are at preschool level - and very under maintained
• The WP Ships is incorrectly named - and it has appropriated areas that should have been split intwo - military and maritime domains - but they look intransigent in their strange and misguided name project
• A whole range of articles that could look specifically aligned to a good lead maritime history article are subsumed into other areas
• I simply havent the time to go back through all the stuff to try to re-align or at least get a better heirarcchy of transport - maritime- artciles and categories - some dags seem to re-name what shoiuld be broader titles to ships and have created a nightmare
• Thanks for responding SatuSuro 03:20, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Assesments

Thanks for your help with assessing Australia-related articles. Only 9,000 (plus the articles not yet tagged) to go :) -- Longhair\^talk 03:48, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Palm Island

Do you know how long I've been working on this table?

LOL! ROFL! good work. Great minds & all that.Garrie 01:38, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

• At least there was no edit conflict ;)Garrie 01:38, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

I "compress" the template because some of them (eg cite interview) have so many parameters that they go for more lines in the edit screen, than the text of the document does if you split it each "|". If you are going to edit the references for stylistic reasons, could you please test your edits in a sandbox. When I see broken references that I put in in the first place, I assume it's because I got them wrong - but in this edit, you are removing parameter names from working citations. If it continues I will revert your edits to get back to the edit where the citation is working. Garrie 00:32, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorrry, I got my usage from Template:Cite news/doc - which indicates:

• author: Author
• last works with first to produce last, first
• authorlink works either with author or with last & first to link to the appropriate wikipedia *article. Does not work with URLs.
• coauthors: allows additional authors

I think all of the "cite xxx" templates provide for an author parameter. Garrie 00:41, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for all your great contributions to the Palm Island article over the past couple of weeks during its term as the Collaboration, I think it’s amazing how much it has been improved to this point. It was probably at Stub level when we got into it, now I think it would be competitive for Good or A Class article and perhaps over the next few months it will get up to the standard of Feature.

There’s only one day left of it being the Collaboration so if we have any last ideas as to how it can be improved lets be bold and get into it now. But most of all I just wanted to thank you for all your work and help before it was finished. Thanks, WikiTownsvillian 08:26, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Richard Davey

Thanks for the tag just a remind of the million threads I need to cleanup and tidy.... heheh :) SatuSuro 01:22, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Riverina Railways

Hi, Grahamc. A few of us are working on the Riverina article at present. The article is missing any mention of rail services, either current or historic. If you are interested any help you could give with this would be much appreciated. Thanks--Mattinbgn 12:53, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, that will give me a start.--Mattinbgn 19:33, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Thank you again for pointing me in the right direction about the railways. A railway section has now been added to the article.--Mattinbgn 03:25, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for taking the time to reassess the Riverina article. It is now a Good article candidate.--Mattinbgn/ ^talk 00:03, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] RE Murray cod

Hi Graham

Thanks for the message.

It is very nice to know that B grade is actually a high grade in Wikipedia. I wasn't aware of the finer details of the grading system.

Despite being fairly capable with IT I struggle to learn the more tricky Wikipedia codings.

So if I put in the ref codes you supplied, does it automatically put in the superscript number and automatically shove the full text reference at the base of the page?

cheers

Codman 11:29, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

WOW nice work on Ian Thorpe. THe last time I visited the page it was quite small now a feature. Well done! Ernst Stavro Blofeld 17:03, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Template:Riverina

Hi there, Because I note that you have been following the uploadings onto this template and going through the first assessments --- I am happy to report that there are no more redlinks on Template:Riverina. The template is therefore complete (other than for locations that we will stumble upon in the future). --VS ^{talk...images}

[edit] AFD 2006 Victorian election campaign

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2006 Victorian election campaign. Grumpyyoungman01 04:16, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bill Knott and Peter Knott

I was reading your talk page and saw the (son?) tag next to Peter Knott's name. Bill Knott and Peter are not related, and neither is related to Roger Knott who was another ALP identity somewhere in the Tweed. In passing, do you know what happened to Peter Knott? He was an entertaining (if short-lived) MP, and then has never been heard from since. Jeendan 05:09, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Palm Island

I think we were both simultaneously looking up refs for the same areas! Thanks for you help, I think we got it over the GA line. --Steve _(Slf67) ^talk 02:54, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your help with this Grahamec! we did it!!! onwards and upwards, FA by 2008 :-D WikiTownsvillian 11:45, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Proposed deletion of Billnudgel, New South Wales

Hi Grahamec - I have added a PROD to the above article which you created because I believe that it is misspelled and likely to actually refer to Billinudgel, New South Wales. Let me know if I have got this wrong. --VS ^talk 05:17, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

• No problems - it's easy to do (speaking from experience) when you look at as many towns as we do. --VS ^talk 06:02, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Orange Grove

Thank you very much for your work of late on the Orange Grove article. It was a big project of mine for a while, but then I got distracted and left the article unfinished and in an awful state. You've gone a long way towards cleaning it up and making it less of a BLP risk by referencing it. Rebecca 10:30, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Wow, that's quite some detail in the Orange Grove affair. In recognition of your efforts to wade through an extensive ICAC report into an obscure aspect of planning law ...

		The Original Barnstar
		To Grahamec, for his efforts in referencing and expanding the Orange Grove affair article.

Jeendan 23:31, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Woolmer

Sorry, Grahame - I was just trying to wikify and tidy it up. Sorry. O'Donoghue 13:55, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

b/c the article has a "needs wikifying" tag and I thought changing the format of the links/references would do it. I see I was wrong. Please Assume Good Faith.O'Donoghue 14:01, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Barnstar of National Merit

A well deserved recipient of this recent addition to the array of barnstars. Blarneytherinosaur talk 00:43, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

No worries. Keep up the good work. Blarneytherinosaur talk 04:40, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Batu Lintang camp

Hi Grahamec. Thanks for fixing the cite web thingammies on the article, and for adding the banners on the talk page - nice to know it's now under WP:Australia's wings! I'm wondering about trying to get the article up to FA status, and User:Camptown reckoned a peer review would be a good place to start. Would you be interested? Cheers Jasper33 09:55, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

As opinion seemed split between peer review and going for FA, I've plumped for the former, and asked for a military history project peer review. It just seemed a bit, well presumptuous, going for FA so soon. Thanks for your input - I'm all at sea otherwise! Jasper33 18:12, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] New South Wales general election campaign, 2007

Welcome to Wikipedia, and thank you for your contributions. As a member of the Wikipedia community, I would like to remind you to adhere to Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy for editors, which you appear to have violated at New South Wales general election campaign, 2007. Thank you. Joestella 13:29, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

There is nothing to stop you from editing articles you consider to be "rubbishy", but for you to add your conspiracy theories about the Australian media to this article, even if in jest, does not help to improve quality. It also makes editing sensitive articles more difficult for everyone because in the partisan climate you're trying to create, it is difficult for any editor to assume good faith. Joestella 13:47, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations, you've been called partisan by Joe Stella. I'll let you think of your own "pot calling kettle black" analogies. Jeendan 20:08, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

I agree - let it go. There may be some bitterness about the election result, which has led to the above rude message. I suspect there is also a sense of 'ownership' of the election campaign page - not surprising seeing as he created it and has made 58 subsequent edits.

the POV-pushing on the page is of concern, but its hardly unique to this article. Anyway, once some time has passed and some editors have calmed down about the Liberal loss, there will be a more open attitude to restoring editorial balance to what is no longer a current event and is now just a historical record. Jeendan 02:13, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Munich Invitation

I'm looking for someone to take on the Munich Transit Task Force. Kingjeff 16:24, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Barnstar!

		The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
		In recognition of the great work you are doing with the Electoral districts of New South Wales Mattinbgn/ talk 10:08, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] electoral map

I thought you would like it :) I noticed you had been doing a lot of work with the past NSW electoral districts. Perhaps some of the statistics on it might be useful too? Also, there is a 1859 map and 1904 map which could help --Astrokey44 03:59, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Members for Albury

Hi Grahamec, Just wanted to say thanks for your work on Dudley Padman and Alexander Mair. Blarneytherinosaur talk 05:47, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Peter Corrigan

hi, how does WP know when an article is cited or recommended for citation in the mainstream press? Also, I've added a few references now. Please could you check and see if removal of the boxes is now warranted? Thanks Eyedubya 03:03, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you...

... for rating the article Cult Awareness and Information Centre and tagging it to the Australia project. Any thoughts on how to improve the article quality? Smee 05:53, 14 May 2007 (UTC).