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[edit] Merge
Note: the contents of Grass Jelly and Grass jelly drink were merged with the contents this page, with redirects left behind. --maclean25 05:10, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
Grass jelly drink information is returned a separate page. redirect removed, copyedit. Snafflekid 18:30, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Names
The Hong Kong Government calls it leung fan. [1] — Instantnood 08:23, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
- This is not well known in english as leung fan. Searching google for "leung fan" only results in fan sites for pop stars named Leung. These extended pronunciation guides in every article are becoming unreadable. It does appear in the pronunciation guide as leung fan for those that want the native non-english term. SchmuckyTheCat 18:30, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
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- Not quite agree. Although strictly speaking not truly an English vocabulary, it is used in English to refer to the food. It's not the native name or a pronunciation guide, it does not resemble exactly the original pronunciation of the native name. It just roughly maps how the native name is pronounced. — Instantnood 21:58, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
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- Can I suggest this as a compromise?
- Grass Jelly (Chinese: 涼粉 or 燒仙草; Mandarin (Pinyin): [liángfěn], [shāo xiān cǎo]; Cantonese (Yale): lèuhng fán, (Jyutping): leong4 fan2; Malay: cincau; also known sometimes as leong fun or leung fan)
- I'm suggesting this for the following reasons, to do purely with Wikipedia policy (see Wikipedia:Naming conventions (use English)) rather than judgments about the language policy of particular places:
- This is the ENGLISH wikipedia so only the most commonly used English version should appear as the article name.
- All other common names can appear in brackets. Here we can include as many languages as we like (within reason) as long as there are a reasonable number of people in the world who might use that name. Translations (including alternative but commonly used transliterations) are provided purely to help English speakers recognise references to the word in foreign languages rather than to suggest anything about how appropriate or officially acceptable the use of particular translations may be in a particular country. honeydew 17:59, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
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- Instead of multiple changes and reversions, I've listed this page on Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Society and law to see if a third (or fourth) party can provide a neutral resolution.
- As I see it there are at least three competing options:
- Provide Mandarin translation as the only Chinese translation.
- Provide as many Chinese translations as are commonly used (at the moment just Mandarin and Cantonese).
- Same as above, but also provide a commonly(?) used Cantonese transliteration into English as part of the name.
- Feel free to edit if you feel I haven't represented the option you prefer as accurately/fairly as possible.honeydew 09:58, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
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I'm sorry to say, but Instantnood, your Google search link doesn't make any sense - you searched for the Chinese term. However, this being the English Wikipedia, we should call things by like how they are in English. For a better Google search, try [2]. So, all in all, this does seem to have some recognition, but not a lot. Perhaps put in brackets as suggested above. enochlau (talk) 08:08, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
- I do not object having grass jelly as its title. I only object disapproving leung fan and other variants as English names, and for that reason, removing them. In fact I'd doubt if grass jelly is universally used in all English-speaking communities to refer to the food. — Instantnood 10:13, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
The Mandarin name quoted here (燒仙草 shao xian cao) is inappropriate. Traditionally, both the plant and the desert are called 仙草 xian cao. The desert, as described in the main article, is jelly-like, and is served cold in syrup as a refreshing treat during summer. While 燒仙草 shao xian cao, literally "hot xian cao", is another desert that first appeared in Taiwan during the winter of 1997, if my memory is correct. While made of the same plant, this "hot xian cao" is not allowed to cool down, and served hot as a fluid drink. Imagine melted rubber for its consistency (although shao xian cao is both edible and much more delicious...) The Chinese wiki entry is inaccurate in this respect, too. Pthow 02:06, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
In Indonesia know as:
Black jelly or black cincau or cincau hitam made by Mesona palustris bl leaf.
some black jelly are not purely made by Mesona chinensis or Mesona palustris bl sometimes they add other ingredients like turtle gelatine so for vegan and vegetarian must be carefull about this Black jelly. Other info are after this black jelly able to make from powder, many other country like Europe and USA become more familiar with this black jelly ussualy they used for Hollowen party. Sometimes they call it Black java jelly or Indonesia Black jelly. The black jelly made not only need cooling but sometimes they need heat to in the procesed diffrent with other two other kind who only need cooling in the process.
Cincau Hijau ( green Cincau or green jelly) made by leaf of Cylea barbata, Miers , the jelly color are green.[3]
Other type of this jelly are Cincau Perdu or grass jelly (the true grass jelly???) or bushes jelly made by leaf of Melastoma polyanthum B jelly color are green, tasted range varies betwen slight bitter to very bitter, use as subtitude of the green jelly or green cincau. right now this grass jelly are not popular again cause the bitter and strange flavor this are uncommon or rare to find in this now day. Melastoma polyanthum Blume, Flora 14 (1831): 481. - Type: Blume s.n., Baatavia, Jawa Barat, Indonesia (K!, P!).
So with this explanation I have same objection too about the title Grass jelly more correctly are LEAF JELLY a jelly made from leaf. hmm. right now i temporary add Leaf jelly beside grass jelly name to become like Grass jelly or Leaf Jelly
So if this topic talk about grass jelly who made by Mesona chinensis leaf, are not correctly said that black jelly regard as grass jelly??? 202.133.2.18 12:29, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Michael Jackson
Can someone provide a citation for the fact that a mixture of jelly and soy is called Michael Jackson? It appears User:Honeydew added this information here. I almost removed it as a vandalism that had snuck into the article because it seemed so unlikely, except that Honeydew has been editting this article throughout. Please clarify! Kit 10:49, 15 December 2005 (UTC) Thanks for adding that, Honeydew. I am sure you can understand how it might seem a little 'hard to swallow' (sorry ;) without that. It's such a weird world, and it never ceases to surprise or amuse. Michael Jackson, heh. Kit 12:39, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
