Talk:Grand tourer
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This article and Gran Turismo should probably be merged. // Liftarn
merged and cleaned up .... they contradict quite badly : Drgonzo
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[edit] Ford GT?
Despite the name, I think the Ford GT is really stretching the definition of a Grand Tourer...it's really more of a pure Sports car, and doesn't really fit with this line from the article: Grand tourers differ from sports cars in that they are usually larger, heavier and tend to make less compromise in comfort for the sake of driving ability.. OhNoitsJamieTalk 15:54, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
Not sure of that opinion, although it doesn't fit perfectly, the GT40 (after which the modern GT is based) was designed SPECIFICALLY to win in GT racing, to beat lamborgini (might be Ferarri, i get em mixed up ocaisionally) after they snubbed them. Thus as a car designed specifically for the sport revolved around grand touring, i'd say it fits perfectly
Ford GT is not a GT car as GT cars have front mounted engines, long hoods, and comfortable suspension. Ford GT is none of the above. Ford GT is a supercar --Homestar300zx 16:32, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
Yep. Ford GT is based after one, but it isn't in itself. Stooffi 20:14, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
Ford GT is a homage to the original GT40 racer of the sixties, which was built by Ford simply because they were thwarted in their bid to buy Ferrari, and wanted revenge. The racer came to be known as GT40, but the actual name of the race car was 6T40. As the 2003 Ford GT was built to pay homage to a racer, it is by no stretch of imagination a GT car. It is not stretchin the definition of grand tourer, it is actually misusing the term Grand Tourer. A lot of cars have names bearing the letters GT, as the Golf GTi, but that does not necessarily mean they are Grand Tourer. Sayantan.z28 (talk) 14:25, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] GTR
Needs to have a section, or separate page, on the GT racers.... Trekphiler 02:55, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
Shouldnt the Lancia Aurelia B20 be mentioned, widely considered the first GT car
[edit] 3 Series as a GT car
Dear members,
I would like to request that the 3 series coupes be added back under the GT car section. I was told that the 3 series should not be included due the fact that it is considered "low powered." Unfortuntely, this to me seems more of an opinion rather than a fact, and the new E92 coupes stray away from this further considering the 335i coupe has 300 hp and the E92 M3 will have 425hp outputs. The definition presented in this PARTICULAR entry, explains nothign about power being a determining factor other than the statement of "high performance." I do honestly believe that while old model E46's like the 325Ci may not fit a the definition of a grand tourer, higher performance vehicles such as the 330Ci, M3, the new 335i Coupe, and the upcoming M3 will surely fit the definition pound for pound within this article! Also, note that size is not a determining factor either, but as far as weight goes, we all should know that the 3 series coupes do weigh in at approximately 3500 pounds. They seem to me, like an "entry" or "beginning" level GT car.
Please let me know what you think and I will be happy to add it back in there! Also, if you want, I can specifically state that we are referring to the NEW more powerful E92 models. Thank you! --128.95.141.33 23:15, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
- Sorry, I should've been more specific. The new 3-series is indeed a very quick automobile. Then again, current Toyota Camry's are faster than some Porsches from the 80s! I think of the 3-series as a luxury sport sedan or sport coupe (though in Europe, 3-series aren't considered to be as luxurious as they are in the US). Most of the other entries in the article are from the higher-end ranges, but engineered for highway cruising versus the track. (I don't think any of them would cost less than $50,000 US adjusted for current dollars). What would be helpful is if we could find a few sources that more definitively set some parameters for what defines a GT car. OhNoitsJamie Talk 23:22, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
- Followup I reverted my changes after finding a reference supporting your claim that the 335i coupe is considered (at least by one Car and Driver writer) to be a grand tourer. Here's a Google search that searches for "grand tourer" among three major auto magazines. I noticed that there were a few sub-50k USD cars mentioned, like the new Mitsubishi GT and the Infiniti G35. OhNoitsJamie Talk 23:31, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
- Great catches guys. I think that the 335i Coupe is very appropriate here. I also feel that we should not include the G35 and the Mitsubishi GT considering the fact that we are using a bit of a "price" requirement of at least 50 thousand and up to be included, and it looks like Jamie did the right thing by just adding the 335i. I think sports coupe fits the 330Ci and the earlier models, but the new one I can definitely see as a GT. --24.16.63.142 01:33, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
- Followup I reverted my changes after finding a reference supporting your claim that the 335i coupe is considered (at least by one Car and Driver writer) to be a grand tourer. Here's a Google search that searches for "grand tourer" among three major auto magazines. I noticed that there were a few sub-50k USD cars mentioned, like the new Mitsubishi GT and the Infiniti G35. OhNoitsJamie Talk 23:31, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] A5/S5/3er/M3/CLK
I think there should be a general agreement that although they are small coupes with 2 doors, the 3-series, M3, Audi A4 and A5 and the Mercedes CLK are not comfortable enough to be long distance GT cars, however much their lightness helps their performance compared to fatter cars. The Audi A5 should be removed from the list. The Volvo v70 and Alfa GT dont qualify either. --81.105.245.251 16:00, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
