Talk:Grand Theft Auto III soundtrack

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1 Production Details - or not?
2 General
3 default format
4 Michael Hunt
5 Disambiguation (Rush)
6 red links everywhere!!!
7 Liberty City Stories Radio logos
8 Generic
9 References
10 Commercials: Jeff Berlin (disambiguation)
11 Vandalism
- 11.1 More Vandalism???
12 "nonexistent" frequency
13 Links
14 Australian-American War
15 Missing track?
16 MSX Track Listing
17 WikiProject class rating
18 Fair use rationale for Image:Flashbackgta.gif
19 Fair use rationale for Image:Doublecleff.gif
20 Fair use rationale for Image:Liberty fm.gif
21 Fair use rationale for Image:Liberty soul fm.gif
22 Fair use rationale for Image:Msxfm.jpg
23 Fair use rationale for Image:Game Radio.jpg
24 Fair use rationale for Image:Rise FM logo (GTA3).jpg
25 Other ways of listening the soundtrack
26 Fair use rationale for Image:Head Radio logo (GTA3).jpg
27 Fair use rationale for Image:Lips 106.jpg

[edit] Production Details - or not?

To TBH: As of 2006, this article is the only quality source of information on production detail. I, for example, found the Moving Shadow 01.1 CD through here (original music from MSX). A lot of effort went into collecting and verifying bits and pieces. Surely, the page is a little cluttered at this moment. But wiping out half of the article is not the solution. We don't necessarily have to conform with other soundtrack articles. As far as I can tell, Grand Theft Auto III soundtrack is most informative one of the bunch. Matveims 04:26, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

i saw nothing wrong with TBHs edit. the producers and directors are way too over the top. plus it is more handy to have the gta soundtracks articles more uniform. --152.163.100.69 05:51, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] General

I remember that we had for every station one article, or? ProSieben

Yes, we did; but if you'll direct your attention to Talk:Grand Theft Auto: Vice City soundtrack, you will see my reasoning. Having a separate page for such a small article that is easily incorperated into one is pointless. This allows visitors to find information faster and encourages users to add to and edit its content more easily. Thanks for your understanding, mysekurity 21:53, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Important thing to say - there's no point in putting links around each of the bands, since most of them are made up. Look through the credits in the back of the manual and you will find that Craig Conner and Stuart Ross did most of the soundtrack. They're not real bands! Oh, and maybe the stations should be put into the right order? I don't have time at the moment, if anyone else wants to do it the order is: Head Radio, Double Cleff FM, K-Jah, Rise FM, Lips 106, Game Radio FM, MSX FM, Flashback 95.6 and finally Chatterbox. Those are the correct full names as well, I think. Rock on. Dragonfly888 22:22, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Aye aye cap'n! I'll get right on the reorganization of the stations, but would you mind filtering out which bands do, in fact, exist? I eventually want to get to creating an article for Da Shootaz, as I think their song (which, coincidentally, has the same title as the game franchise) is a good example of the culture surrounding the game. It also happens to be a good song. Let me know if you can do it, or if you want me to research these, and do whatever. either way, let me know. Thanks, my sekurity 22:35, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Wow, well done on your surprisingly prompt work! Okay: all the bands on Head are fake, I think. Craig Conner/Stuart Ross appear under every song. Double Cleff - don't know much about orchestras I'm afraid! But I think they are all well-known pieces, I doubt they wrote them specially. K-Jah - Scientist rules (and is quite real). Rise is a display piece for Generation Records, so the bands are real (but link to some confusing things - check them out!). Lips is entirely soundtrack, none of the bands are real. I am 100% sure that Da Shootaz are made up, 'cause Craig Conner wrote and produced their song. It was on the soundtrack for the first game as well, and you're quite right, it's a wicked song. The Game bands are real, they're signed to Violator and Game Records. The MSX bands are real, I think they're all on Moving Shadow Ltd. Flashback is all real, from the film Scarface. Chatterbox is just random. Hope this helps mate. I plan to add something to this page soon, perhaps a more clear explanation of the way they made the soundtrack. PS. Maybe we can get that cleanup header removed eventually!!! Dragonfly888 18:25, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Thankya for the compliment, and thanks for the info. I've done a little research on MSX and others, and hopefully when my schedule allows (sometime this summer), all will be incorperated into the article. If you wouldn't mind writing that piece on how they all got organized, I would greatly appreciate it. I'm thinking of doing such a project on all GTA soundtracks, from the origional all the way to San Andreas. Thanks for your help, my sekurity 18:55, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Cool. I'll do a bit this week. I can do something easy tonight - I'll just copy the credits from the manual into the article! I suppose I'd better get on with it... Dragonfly888 20:11, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)

About the coppying, is that ok in wikipedia? you might want to check the status of that. Anyways, if you copy the things from the manual, I'll do what I can to make sure they aren't complete copy vios. Good luck, man! -my sekurity 01:24, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Mysekurity, there's no need for you to clean up the article for the moment. It turns out that copying out the manual kind of does it automatically. I'm also expanding the introductory paragraphs, this incorporates the organisation piece. It will be a different article by the end of the night (haven't finished yet!) so have a look at it tomorrow and tell me what you think, if you would. There's gonna be alot of links to fill!

AAAAH!!! Oh my god. I hate the internet. I just spent hours writing the entire article up, it was absolutely magnificent, and then as I pressed the save button it crashed. I even copied it before I pressed it because it's happened to me before but for some reason my computer hates me and didn't copy it. I'm doing this another time. I'm annoyed now. Damn!

That completely sucks. I'm sorry Dragonfly, and I can't tell you how many times that's happened to me before. What I usually do (if I remember) is to copy-and-paste it to a notepad document (.txt) and save it to my desktop (e.g. GTA3.txt) after each small update I make. This might be a pain, but it usually works. As for it not working in your case, again, that completely sucks, but that's why I save it, so even if it crashes (the whole system goes down), I still have a copy. Thanks for doing so much work, but next time, you might want to work in notepad, or save it a few times, just to be sure. Thanks again for all the work you've done, and hopefully it won't be too much trouble for you to redo the article. I have the PC version too, so if I have time sometime soon, I will try to help you out. If you want, you can send me a rough draft of the article to my e-mail (look at my "contact me" section). Thanks so much, my sekurity 01:24, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] default format

I think the page looks a little too cluttered currently. Perhaps the songs could be one one bullet point, then a line below (intented--starts with a :), text about the song could be in parentheses. Look at this example:

*[[Artist Name]] - '''Song Name''' :''Information about song (producer, etc.''

makes

Artist Name - Song Name

Information about song (producer, etc.

I think the page can be re-worked a little. I'll do some work this coming week after finals are over

Any thoughts?

Well, the reason I set it out that way was so the page wasn't a direct lift from the manual - the changes you are proposing would really take it back to the layout of the manual. However, I do agree with you that your method would look a lot tidier. I'm not fussed either way, but if you decide to go ahead with it, that would be a great help. Rock on. Dragonfly888 17:43, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Understandably so, and with your blessing, I shall remake the article, one section at a time. Thanks so much for your help, my sekurity 18:30, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Very good work! Especially the economy of space you provided by having 'written by Craig Conner unless otherwise noted' - that's a great idea. But you linked the fake bands!!! It's just a silly mistake, I'll quickly change that. Hope you understand my logic that a bunch of fictitious bands don't deserve pages to themselves. Maybe if anything interesting is found out about them (eg who they are parodying) we can add it below the track listings, but I don't think they should have their own pages. Dragonfly888 16:15, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Sorry, thanks for the compliment, and good point. Aren't Da Shootaz a real group? One more thing tho, where did you get all the us in Double Cleff from? I'm looking at my manual, and dont see any us…maybe a couple es, but no us. Or are they different because you have an English version?? - my sekurity 20:56, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Da Shootaz aren't real, I don't think. I've done countless web searches for them but they don't seem to exist anywhere except on GTA soundtracks, and besides, the song is written and produced by Craig Conner, so... And good point about the u's - basically, I don't know much about orchestras, but I do know that 'u' means 'under' as in 'conducted by'. I now realise that not many people would know that (it's only luck that I do!) so I will get onto changing the 'u's into 'conducted by'. Dragonfly888 18:49, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the searches on da shootaz, and its too bad they aren't real, I kinda liked that song. What I'm more concerned about, however, is that maybe there's a difference in our manuals? I looked through mine, and it said "[song] e [something else]". I'm guessing it's different in the U.K.? I'll do some research when I get back (I'm on vacation for the next week or so), and I'll update it then, as well as reorg this talk page (it's getting kind of unruly). Thanks much for all the help, my sekurity 19:18, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, that song kicks ass. And don't worry, there isn't a difference in our manuals, I was just trying to be clever and save space by putting 'u' instead of 'conducted by'. I don't know what all the 'e's are about, or really anything else about orchestras. Maybe there's something about it on the Orchestra article? I'll have a look at it. And yeah, this talk page needs reorganising, it's almost as big as the main article. Dragonfly888 19:31, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

PS. Just read through the old stuff on the talk page and your idea of a piece about how 'Da Shootaz' song reflects the atmosphere of the game is a really good idea. Maybe it would look good underneath or above the track listing for Lips?

[edit] Michael Hunt

Do you believe that Michael Hunt, the DJ of Head Radio is based on the joke from Porky's and other places? (Michael Hunt >> Mike Hunt >> My Cunt)?? Or do I just have a dirty mind? (I'm not ruling out the latter). Is there something perhaps referenced for the reason this name was chosen? Any thoughts would be helpful. -my sekurity 02:27, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

You may indeed have a dirty mind, but judging by the fact that the makers of the GTA games seem to think just as dirty, you're probably right. Staying with Head Radio, a more obvious one (that I didn't understand for ages - then I said it out loud and got it) is Dil-don't. Dil-do perhaps? Dragonfly888 20:39, 12 July 2005 (UTC) PS. Have you notived that there isn't a clear link on the main game page to this one anymore? It just says 'soundtrack' and nobody would be able to guess that it led to a specific page about the game's soundtrack.

[edit] Disambiguation (Rush)

In trying to disambiguate the links to Rush in Game Radio FM I've run into a dead-end. I can't find ANY information on the apparent rap/hip-hop artist "Rush" except that it might be Russell Simmons.

It certainly is not the Canadian power trio.

Anybody have a clue?

Al 15:15, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

Ugh. It looks like every couple of weeks somebody tries to disambiguate Rush on the GTA3 soundtrack as being the guys from Canada. Let me assure you that this is not so. I'm not "up" on the hip-hop scene, so I don't know who this other "Rush" guy is, but I know for certain that it's not Rush (band). Read the talk page, folks. Al 17:53, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] red links everywhere!!!

why is almost everyname wikilinked? it's not as if everybody is notable or warrants an article. let's just link people worth a mention to imdb until an article can be created. --Phil 06:11, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Liberty City Stories Radio logos

For the few radio stations which have the radio stations logo next to the, they are all the logos from Grand Theft Auto: Liberty City Stories. Some of the logos are different than the logo that was in Liberty City Stories so we should put up the GTA3 logos instead. Ill go hunting for the logo pictures.

[edit] Generic

It is generally agreed that the soundtrack for GTAIII sounds very generic and cheap, as if they didn't have much money to spend on "real" artists. The main novelty to it was exactly that, having radio stations you could flick to each with a different theme. The fact that it is famous for the funny DJ lines and not the music itself is a testament to this fact. Thank you JayKeaton 09:13, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] References

I have just finished the References from CHatterbox. The next days I will start with the rest stations. Please correct if there's anything wrong. I'm German and there're certainly mistakes in spelling and informations. Zaibatsu!

[edit] Commercials: Jeff Berlin (disambiguation)

The Jeff Berlin mentioned as a talent in the Commercials section is a voiceover and production artist, formerly with WXKS-FM in Boston, and not the bass guitar player the article seems to link him to. We may want to either clear that link, or create a new page and a disambiguation.

He also is the main image voice for Head Radio in the game, if that's relevant to anyone.

Out of respect for the article and what you all have done with it, and because I haven't registered, I won't edit it myself.

Please feel free to! You know a lot more about Jeff Berlin than me, which means you're more qualified than me to write about him! Hey, it's a wiki, have fun! Dragonfly888 12:58, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism

Someone has detracted from the article quality. With things like "Reed F**cker" instead of "Reed Tucker". It has to be fixed. 213.39.157.197 15:39, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] More Vandalism???

Are the links in the miscellaneous section spurious? (No, the ones OTHER than Rockstar Games.) There's a link to the Allegro Corporation and Mellowvision neither of which appear to have ANYTHING to do with Rockstar, GTA, etc... Aragond 09:15, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "nonexistent" frequency

I've taken out the reference with Flashback's 95.6FM being a "nonexistent" broadcast frequency, given that a quick bit of googling reveals dozens of stations using the frequency. 81.104.170.167 00:34, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Links

Half the band links end up sending you to the wrong thing (I assume because most of the bands/groups are fairly small time). For example, the Shiver link send you to the actual physical act of shivering. This ought to be corrected. Chewbacca1010 12:16, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Australian-American War

I think this is worth mentioning Wikifried 16:18, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Missing track?

I have ripped the music off my GTA III DVD onto my PC and was listening to Lips Radio, and couldn't hear "Marydancin - Wash Him Off", has anyone else noticed this? I have the UK version.

[edit] MSX Track Listing

The track listing for MSX wasn't quite right, so I've fixed it up (I think). All I have to go on is the mix CD that MSX is based on (Moving Shadow 01.1). Since it's a mix, it's sometimes hard to tell where one track ends and the next begins. Anyway, it appears that MSX was just made by splicing together (not mixing) a few sections from 01.1. I'm pretty certain the current track listing is the correct one, someone else with 01.1 (or the original tracks) might want to verify though. Krooga 05:22, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

To be honest, i've been wondering about the MSX tracklisting for a while. It is listed in my copy of the game manual as follows:

MIX A
* Omni Trio - First Contact
* Aquasky - Spectre
* Rascal and Klone - Winner Takes All
MIX B
* TJ Rizing - Agent 007
* Calyx - Quagmire
* Rascal and Klone - Get Wild
* Ryme Tyme - Judgement Day

Mix A is tracks 1-3 on 01.1; Mix B is tracks 5-8 and the other three tracks listed here—"T Minus", "Spasm" and "Monolith"—are tracks 11-13. I'm starting to wonder if perhaps those last three tracks (Mix C?) were dropped from the European version, with maybe "Agent 007" added to Mix B (this track was originally omitted from the article). Can anyone shed some light on this? Dbam ^Talk/_{Contributions} 22:58, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Other ways of listening the soundtrack

Please, don't say and remark that the only way of listening the soundtrack is by hijacking a vehicle and listening the radio. You can also insert the game's DVD on the PC and then getting to the audio folder. There you'll find a bunch of .wav 's, most of them are for ambient sounds. But 9 of them (the biggest) are from the radio stations, which are CLASS, MSX, FLASH, CHAT, LIPS, GAME, HEAD, KJAH and RISE. This can be also done with the PC version by getting to the instalation folder (commonly C:\Program Files\Rockstar Games\GTAII\) ans searching the folder "audio". Hell, you can even add them to your iTunes library and add them to an iPod. I don't know if it is legal, but I legally own Vice City's and San Andreas' sountracks, so I would want an original CD of this one. Wikifan21century (talk) 03:06, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Indeed you can rip the game's audio, but the article is concerned with the in-game presentation of the soundtrack. Dbam ^Talk/_{Contributions} 16:42, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

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