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[edit] Adding GTAStunting

Well today I tried to add GTAStunting to GTA wikipedia. I think its important to have external resources on the page about all the things that can be done in GTA. I mean nowhere does it refer about the HUGE modding community. Theres so much to GTA that the public is missing by things like that no being on there. Things like stunting, modding, or MTA, VCMP, SAMP (All these are popular 3rd party multi-player programs.) If you look on the QUAKE III Wiki you will see that they have modifications and meta gaming. The "official" stuff here only idea is not good, and leaves the article incomplete. Can you please let me do some changes, or work with you guys to do some changes to this. Feron (talk) 21:58, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Popularity isn't notability. MTA actually does have it's own article, for one, and if you can such things as secondary sources and press coverage and other things of that source, some of this other information could be condsidered for inclusion in the article. ♣ Klptyzm Chat wit' me § Contributions ♣ 22:01, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] GTA Car Data Base

I think its about time to start an article of them, sence theres been plenty sence its beggenning day, but i will not beable to do it alone, so i'll need some help from others, i'm thinking of having them in catagories, like muscle cars, sports, roadsters/hot-rods, compacts, trucks ext, then a brief discription of it and its first appearance, noting a few minor things about it, if its been involved in a certaint in game mission & of course noting what vehicle it was made to be like/look like, example Patriot looks like Hummer H1, and i'm sure it'll be huge, knowing how many vehicles there has been since GTA on PSOne, now i can do most of them, mainly those from 1-liberty city stories, but i am missing vice city stories, so i don't know exactly what vehicles are in it, the first 3 games, GTA, GTA London & GTA2 will be pretty hard for me to find all vehicles, sence i rarely played them before, so i'll need help on those aswell, so hopefully i get some takers in this project to help me get this thing going,~~[User:Lil'Layzie-One|Lil'Layzie-One]

No, no, no. Wikipedia is not a place for lists and certainly not a list of GTA Vehicles. It's been done many times in the past and every attempt has failed and resulted in it's removal or deletion. - .:Alex:. 19:07, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Location's criteria for inclusion

District names or minor locales are not necessary in the locations section or this article. Locations only referenced in speech once or twice are not notable enough to be included, while Bullworth and Carcer City, which are not featured in any GTA games, nevertheless are featured as the settings of non-GTA games set in GTA canon. In the case of the districts or neighborhoods, it's only repeating what would be provided in articles on respectable cities (such as the inclusion of "New Guernsey", which is only a neighborhood in Liberty City). This article is only intended to provide an overview of locales, and is to be keep at a minimal (leaving out said info). ╫ ２５ ◀RingADing▶ 13:40, 7 January 2007 (UTC) ╫

In my oppionion a Grand Theft Auto City Guide and Car Database should be put into Grand Theft Wiki and not here at Wikipeda, this is far too special. --Matthias M. (talk) 18:52, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Video game sales

Obviously we need to obtain sales for the whole GTA series as a whole. I mean we all know this is obviously one of the biggest selling franchises of all time as a whole. You guys got 1 week to put it in, or that's it. I'll make up some B.S. figure. 21:37, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bullworth

There are some who belive at Wikipedia that Bullworth is not in the GTA Univirse just because Bullworth hasen't been mentiond in any GTA Games yet. But in the Auto Shop Class there is a Diablo Stalion parked! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sean mc sean (talk • contribs) 14:14, 25 January 2007 (UTC).

That doesn't prove anything. That could simply be an easter egg. Better yet, how can you assume it's a "Diablo Stallion". Have you seen anything else that could prove it's in the GTA universe? All of it is speculation. Find some hard proof it's connected to the GTA universe besides "there's a Diablo Stallion parked in Auto Shop Class." ♣ Klptyzm Chat wit me § Contributions ♣ 20:42, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cover Art

Has anyone else noticed that every game from III onward(excluding Adcance) has had a helicopter in the upper left corner? And if so, should this be noted? - 206.159.155.148 13:52, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

It's already mentioned. ╫ ２５ ◀RingADing▶ 14:30, 28 January 2007 (UTC) ╫

Have you noticed also that the number of guns depicted on the covers increases from 0 (GTA III) to 1 (GTA VC) to 6 (GTA SA)? Also, have you noticed that the helicopter in the GTA VC cover art has front cannons? When I play GTA VC (and GTA SA), I get the feeling there is someone riding in police helicopters that is firing an M60 or something similar, rather than the helicopter pilot doing the shooting.

And why did they decide to nix the car explosion scene in the cover art for GTA SA? It was seeming like a trademark for a while...I guess the "drive by" scene compensates for any lack of excitement lost by the omission. Eganio 02:46, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Timeline

Hey what happend to the Timeline? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sean mc sean (talk • contribs) 20:56, 28 January 2007 (UTC).

It was deleted. ♣ Klptyzm Chat wit me § Contributions ♣ 21:06, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
Why? Sean mc Sean 04:07, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
It was unsourced and basically useless; no use outside of "fandom." ♣ Klptyzm Chat wit me § Contributions ♣ 04:11, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The "Guerseys"

Some (perhaps, one) users believe that the Guernseys should be placed in the article, just because they (or rather, he) "think" that they, the Guernseys, are not part of Liberty City in GTA 1. First off, the only cities noted in GTA 1 are Liberty, Vice, and San Andreas, so that's disproven. Also, if 2 districts of a city are added into this, then why aren't all of the others that have real life counter parts (Note that 90% of the neighborhoods in GTA cities are based off of real ones of their respectives cities, so it would be utterly ridiculous to add all of them.). ♣ Klptyzm Chat wit me § Contributions ♣ 00:24, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

The editor in question was asserting that the Guerseys, he thought, are cities in their own right, and should be include. Nevertheless, this is, as I agree with you, redundant and encourages exessive listing of more neighborhoods. It's also becoming apparent he's taking this issue personally. ╫ ２５ ◀RingADing▶ 10:15, 1 February 2007 (UTC) ╫
  • I belive that if Rockstar Games were ever to have a gta game set in a state and city based off New Jersey and Jersey City that they would be called New Guernsey and Guernsey City. - Sean mc Sean 23:13, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia isn't about what you believe, but what can be proven. Even then, has it been announced that the next game's city will be based off of New Jersey of Jersey City? Even then, GTA 1 was retconned, so you can basically disregard everything in GTA 1. ♣ Klptyzm Chat wit' me § Contributions ♣ 23:26, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
If so, then we can basically ignore everything from GTA1 right up to San Andreas, because everything that has been previously released will be retconned when GTA IV comes out. 89.217.168.59 19:45, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Guernsey City and New Guernsey are still probably based off New Jersey and Jersey City so it should stay. - Sean mc Sean 23:54, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
Please try to be reasonable about this. Both cities are not "stand alone" cities, such as Vice City or San Fierro, so they shouldn't be added. ♣ Klptyzm Chat wit' me § Contributions ♣ 00:03, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
Note that Wikipedia it's pretty clear that it doesn't promote writing based on personal opinion. I'm not objecting your edits based on personal reasons, but simply Wikipedia guidelines. ╫ ２５ ◀RingADing▶ 10:55, 3 February 2007 (UTC) ╫

[edit] GTA Collectors Edtion

In the future I might decidingly (if thats a word) add a GTA Collectors Edtion once enough information has been gathered.
So far I know that it contains

  • GTA
  • GTA London
  • GTA2

I will add the heading and further information in the future.
Discuss wether it is a good idea or not.

mickyfitz13Talk 15:03, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

That would be good. We could also add GTA: The Trilogy. The Trilogy is a box set of the first three 3-D games, III, Vice City, San Andreas.--24.224.25.26 19:05, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Time periods of GTA games

Shouldn't the time periods of Vice City,Vice City Stories, Liberty City Stories and San Andreas be listed here...I've added them but if someone disagrees feel free to delete but then please tell the reason. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 85.145.149.85 (talk) 00:24, 11 March 2007 (UTC).

Never mind, it doesn't seem to work ah well... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 85.145.149.85 (talk • contribs) 00:40, 11 March 2007 (UTC).

I've removed the time period section because it's both redundant to the section on the games and is a liability, given the misinterpretation of the section's content (there has been several cases where the years in which the games' setting has taken place were changed into years in which the games were released, rendering the section more useless). ╫ ２５ ◀RingADing▶ 12:56, 11 March 2007 (UTC) ╫

Just wondering, when it says that following the success of GTA III several standalone sequels were released then states that they chronologically preceded GTA III, well wouldn't that make them prequels? Don't wanna be pedantic but hey. And sorry if I put this in the wrong section or whatever 121.73.19.225 03:16, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Prequels...amen. The same should be said for GTA Vice City Stories, since it occurs prior to the GTA VC timeframe (1984 vs. 1986). Eganio 02:49, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Inclusion of PEDS in Triva

The machinima series PEDS is based on the GTA series of games, and has produced around 30+ videos over the past 1 1/2 years. Due to its longevity and growing fanbase, it should at least be mentioned. --72.65.20.100 18:18, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] London

I know that Rockstar has created a fictional world, but GTA london 1969 and 1961 take place in the real city of london. So my question...even though it's a real city, is it still considered to be part of the GTA universe or is it just an alternative universe like GTA 1 seems to suggest. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 193.172.253.22 (talk) 20:00, 16 March 2007 (UTC).

We don't know. We just know that London is the only real city featured in the series, but its connection with the rest of the series is never revealed. ╫ ２５ ◀RingADing▶ 05:26, 18 March 2007 (UTC) ╫

[edit] Simpsons references GTA

Which episode of the simpsons is this? [1] And, someone should mention this in the section References in popular culture --89.56.45.109 14:05, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

It is the episode Yokel_Chords --89.56.46.39 18:59, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cover Art Section

I added a cover art section because the art displayed on the box art is one of Grand Theft Auto's signatures. In addition all of the box art is tagged correctly.Mets in 07 23:58, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Grand Theft Auto task force?

I was thinking of creating a GTA taskforce as part of Wikiproject Videogames. Anyone interested? .:Alex:. 11:12, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Hell yes. I am. Sign me up, if you get it going. ♣ Klptyzm Chat wit' me § Contributions ♣ 03:21, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
Well there have been a few others who like the idea too so I've set up a page here. .:Alex:. 11:12, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Logo

Would anyone mind if I changed the logo to the usual black and white style? There's nothing particularly wrong with the silver and black one that is on the article page now it's just that that style of logo was only ever used once. .:Alex:. 15:46, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm apathetic either way. Doesn't bother me none. ♣ Klptyzm Chat wit' me § Contributions ♣ 20:03, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Noxxa?

On Rockstar's official Zaibatsu Corporation website they list their address as: 'The Zaibatsu Corporation PO Box 478967809790890709 Noxxa, Anywhere, USA. I have never lived in America so I don't know much about it's address system but surely Noxxa would fit in with Anywhere City? Should the sentence for Anywhere City be changed to reflect this? Or am I just horribly confused? .:Alex:. 15:58, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Maybe? May need a consensus...I seem to be saying that a lot. ♣ Klptyzm Chat wit' me § Contributions ♣ 16:04, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
Well, for the sake of actually taking a side on the matter, I'm not too sure this should be added; seems too trivial, but this is merely my viewpoint. ♣ Klptyzm Chat wit' me § Contributions ♣ 17:24, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
I would be inclined to agree with Klptyzm here, unless it's mentioned somewhere in the game itself. Haven't played GTA2 myself. Eganio 09:27, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] San Anadreas Stories

I found something about San Andreas Stories for the third quarter of 2008, since there were no links to prove it, I deleted if anybody cares. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.163.32.133 (talk • contribs) 21:39, 9 October 2007

Yeah, it's complete BS. Stuff like that gets added now and again and I for one appreciate any help removing it, so thank you. Dbam Talk/Contributions 19:14, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GTA III series?

so are vice city and san andreas under GTA III and so GTA IV is the next stage of the series? So like vice city and san andreas are more like extensions rather than new installments? I'm confused with the names here. (ZookPS3 17:25, 17 June 2007 (UTC))

Yep, pretty much. Vice City, San Andreas, GTA Advance, Liberty City Stories and Vice City Stories are prequels in terms of their storylines being set before GTA III. GTA IV is the start of a new stage of GTA. Hope that clears things up for you. - .:Alex:. 15:54, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Body Harvest

I find it odd that there is no mention of Body Harvest here. I think it'd be interesting to see how the game influenced the gameplay of GTA III. JohnnyMrNinja 16:58, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Good article nomination on hold

This article's Good Article promotion has been put on hold. During review, some issues were discovered that can be resolved without a major re-write. This is how the article, as of August 5, 2007, compares against the six good article criteria:

1. Well written?: Lead should have at least two paragraphs if possible - maybe split up the current one. Reword it a bit too, read it aloud etc.
History section is verging on proseline - reword it so it isn't like a timeline. You also need one ref of some sort for each game (generally a general Gamespot etc. ref will do).
Character list is a bit pointless when not discussed. Isn't there a separate list/article for that anyway?
In popular culture section is useless with only two entries - just remove it.
2. Factually accurate?: Overview needs most statements referenced - at the moment, it's all OR the way it's written. Even citing the games is ok.
3. Broad in coverage?:
4. Neutral point of view?: I think you have a few too many unnecessary external links, personally. I'd have one official link for each game, and one for the series, max.
Grand Theft Auto III and subsequent games in the series have been best-selling blockbusters - blockbusters is a pov statement without a ref.
5. Article stability?
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Please address these matters soon and then leave a note here showing how they have been resolved. After 48 hours the article should be reviewed again. If these issues are not addressed within 7 days, the article may be failed without further notice. Thank you for your work so far.

Summary: Needs more referencing. Reviewed version: [5]. Good luck! Giggy Talk | Review 07:35, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
I don't know how the Popular Culture section got in there as it was removed ages ago, so I've removed it again. With the History section do you mean that we should get rid of the sub-headings in that section and turn it into several paragraphs (which is what I'm doing now, I'd just like some help getting it right though) or is it possible to keep the sub-headings and have proper paragraphs underneath them? .:Alex:. 10:14, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
Sorry for the late response...you still need more referencing throughout the article. For the history section, I'd like to have a bit more information about each individual game, as oppose to juts one sentence about them. Giggy Talk 23:21, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
Since the changes requested, have, on the whole, not been made, I have no choice but to fail the article. Please nominate again when it meets the GA criteria. Giggy Talk 01:43, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Shouldn't this page have a section on how contovercial the series is? --DJM —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.59.46.202 (talk) 14:38, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

I assume it's covered more deeply in the "video game controversy" page, whatever the exact title is. ♣ Klptyzm Chat wit' me § Contributions ♣ 20:47, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] SVG version of the GTA logo

Could someone provide an SVG version of the Grand Theft Auto logo? Blake Gripling 03:30, 2 September 2007 (UTC)


hello my name is thug ni99a and i am the webmaster of my own gta community based on the gta gaming series there is alot of things to do around there including robbing banks, creating gangs etc. so please go there and create an account and play we need more member since i just completed it. to go there just go to the following link http://gtastreets.com/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.62.126.134 (talk) 01:02, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

This page is intended for discussion of the article. Please refrain from advertising here. Eganio 19:53, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Deleted some Paragraphs and Made a Fact Check

Paragraphs delted was like some boys opinion

"Grand Theft Auto: III and subsequent games have been notable for their storylines, high quality of voice acting, and "radio stations," which simulate driving to music with satirizing DJs, radio personalities, commercials, talk radio, popular music, important news breaks, and American culture. All of this is seamlessly integrated in the realistic setting of a dysfunctional urban environment which parodies a real-life city. Players also often cite the music and humor of the series in explaining its appeal.

The game's influence on teenagers and adults alike has created a "cult" scene of GTA fans that see past the merits of the game itself and appreciate the retro feel and the good-old-days vibe the game emanates.[citation needed] People remember or imagine the time the games are set in and can enjoy the music, the atmosphere, the fashion, the slang and the cities from their favorite decade, namely the 1980s or the 1990s.[citation needed]"


Also removed this:

"complete with pedestrians who obey traffic signals." since not all peds obey traffic singals... so don't put that there.

Also facted this:

"in comparison with "hero" roles that most other games offer.[citation needed]" As I recall, some past games have an anti-hero element prior to GTA III.


[edit] Failed "good article" nomination

Upon its review on January 1, 2008, this good article nomination was quick-failed because it:

contains cleanup banners including, but not limited to, {{cleanup}}, {{wikify}}, {{NPOV}}, {{unreferenced}}, etc, or large numbers of {{fact}}, {{clarifyme}}, {{huh}}, or similar tags

thus making it ineligible for good article consideration.

This article did not receive a thorough review, and may not meet other parts of the good article criteria. The tag has been there since September 2007 and is accurate as well, since that section (as well as others) is completely lacking in citations. I encourage you to remedy this problem (and any others) and resubmit it for consideration. If you feel that this review is in error, feel free to take it to have it reassessed. Thank you for your work so far.— Cheers, CP 18:52, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Article Revamp

I'm submitting a few suggestions that could benefit the article: removing "Locations." Eh, i think it's time to retire this section. Seems too listy. The next is taking the "Grand Theft Auto [blank]" section titles. To me they lower the aesthetic of the article. Perhaps we could do something like "GTA 3 arch" or something to that effect? Forgive me for not being more specific in my suggestions at this time; I'm pretty tired right now. I'll suggest more as the time goes by. ♣ Klptyzm Chat wit' me § Contributions ♣ 04:14, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Well I think the section titles originally said canon or something. But I think replacing the protagonist and locations lists with a detailed summary on them is an idea worth entertaining. .:Alex:. 16:25, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
As do I. I also saw something else, or rather, didn't see something else: a "Controversy" section. We need to find secondary sources about all of the specific controversies, especially about the buttpipe Jack Thompson. That probably should be the biggest section in the article. ♣ Klptyzm Chat wit' me § Contributions ♣ 16:43, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
Yeah. Actually it seems strange that for one of the most controversial video game series, it doesn't even attempt to cover the controversy in this article. While I think individual major cases should be covered by the appropriate game article (Hot Coffee should stay only in Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas, although it can be briefly mentioned and described), controversy for the series as a whole does indeed belong in the article. I'm sure there's plenty of sources that can be used to verify information. .:Alex:. 17:30, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
I removed the "Characters" and "Locations" sections, along with the section titles in the "History" section. To me, it's more aesthetically pleasing without the section titles, but of course that's just me. ♣ Klptyzm Chat wit' me § Contributions ♣ 22:20, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
Looks good to me, Bishop Tutu. About controversy: I'm fine including a section on it as long as it is brief. As .:Alex:. mentioned, each controvery is detailed under the appropriate game article. Any "controversy" section on this page should therefore serve mainly to direct readers to each case, and any summarization should be generalized, inclusive, and concise. Thoughts? EganioTalk 20:59, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
Well, I've started the "Controversy" section. It needs to be sourced and expanded and just overall cleaned. ♣ Bishop Tutu Chat wit' me § Contributions ♣ 21:27, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
Looks good. Did some editing. EganioTalk 23:32, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
I added a section about the "Hot Coffee" controvery in GTA:SA. I tried to keep it brief, as .:Alex:. prompted. I think that's it, unless someone can think of another we need to cover. EganioTalk 09:39, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Article needs an infobox

This article could do with an infobox, which many other articles about software titles have. The logo can go in the infobox, as well as information about the game, such as the platforms it is available on. That information is difficult to attain by skimming down the article. Lester 01:29, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Similar Games

I'm not sure that the Driver sequels should be listed in the "Similar Games" section - if anything it's the other way round; GTA 3 and later are similar to Driver. GTA 2 came out in 1999, a year after Driver was released, and the GTA games were still using the top-down, A.P.B.-style view at that time. It was only when GTA 3 came out in 2001 that they used the style of gameplay that had been previously seen in Driver (1998) and Driver 2 (2000)-- JediLofty User ¦ Talk 09:52, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Regardless of the timing of the releases the two games are 'similar.' Therefore, it could be considered appropriate for Driver to be listed as similar to GTA (just as GTA is similar to Driver). TreyGeek (talk) 15:09, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
I still think it's odd, especially given some of the things that are mentioned in the article. Driver was obviously an influence on GTA3, but the article seems to be saying that GTA was an influence on the third and fourth Driver games, when they were actually sequels to games that already used that format. Incidentally, I can remember when GTA2 came out, and most fan sites (Gouranga, Klamy's Spray Shop, Get That Azzhole and the like) were all against going 3D and were actually glad that GTA2 was still using the A.P.B.-style view!-- JediLofty User ¦ Talk 15:48, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
How was Driver an influence on GTA3? The -only- similarity between driver and GTA3 is that they are both 3D. Graphics are only a small portion of the game, and the rest was all influenced by its own predecessors (you couldn't even get out of the car in Driver for crying out loud.) And similar is a two way word, its not saying that x is influenced by y (or vice versa), its saying that x is a lot like y, just as much as y is alot like x. Nar Matteru (talk) 20:21, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
If we are going to question the issues surrounding "similarity" lets question why it's in the article at all. Judging whether two games are similar to one another is very much based on one's perspective. Should such personal perspectives and personal opinions belong in an article that is intended to be factual based? If you want a more non-opinion based way of comparing GTA to other games, change it up to list games of the genre. —Preceding unsigned comment added by TreyGeek (talk • contribs) 20:29, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
Or you could just simply remove the Driver reference at all. From what I see, the sequels (which, from my knowledge, did involve a free roaming aspect that involved actually exiting and commandeering cars) had a more GTA influence anyway. But if this starts to get out of hand with people's viewpoints, then the section should probably either be removed or revamped into something else. ♣ Klptyzm Chat wit' me § Contributions ♣ 22:18, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Rewrite

The article need to be rewrited. I want this article to be featured article again. The changes should be smiliar to this [6] but with more information. Currently the article looks ugly and messed up. --SkyWalker (talk) 04:22, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Honestly, that's not necessarily a desirable version; too many lists and whatnot. I think the only thing this article needs is general cleaning and sources, the latter being truly needed. ♣ Klptyzm Chat wit' me § Contributions ♣ 05:04, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Successful good article nomination

I am glad to report that this article nomination for good article status has been promoted. This is how the article, as of May 2, 2008, compares against the six good article criteria:

1. Well written?: Pass
2. Factually accurate?: Pass
3. Broad in coverage?: Pass
4. Neutral point of view?: Pass
5. Article stability? Pass
6. Images?: Pass

If you feel that this review is in error, feel free to take it to Good article reassessment. Thank you to all of the editors who worked hard to bring it to this status, and congratulations. JayJ47 (talk) 09:47, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Ah, good job to everyone who contributed. Very much appreciated. ♣ Klptyzm Chat wit' me § Contributions ♣ 15:05, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Summary table

A previous editor created a table that quickly and efficiently summarized the games in the series with release, and platform information. Another editor removed it because he did not like it. The table was later restored by by the first editor, and again removed by the second. This was followed by another restoration (by myself) followed quickly by removal by the second editor, this time for the reason that it was not there back when the article was recognized as a good article. That recognition does not mean that the article cannot still be improved, and as I stated I believe the table is an improvement. (See below) I am hoping for input from other editors. —MJBurrage(T•C) 06:46, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Title Developer Platforms First Released
Grand Theft Auto DMA Design, Tarantula Studios DOS, Microsoft Windows, PlayStation, Game Boy Color 1997
Grand Theft Auto: London, 1969 DMA Design, Tarantula Studios, Rockstar Canada, Runecraft DOS, PlayStation, Microsoft Windows April 29, 1999
Grand Theft Auto: London, 1961 DMA Design, Tarantula Studios, Rockstar Canada, Runecraft Microsoft Windows June 1, 1999
Grand Theft Auto 2 DMA Design, Tarantula Studios Dreamcast, Game Boy Color, PlayStation, Microsoft Windows October 22, 1999
Grand Theft Auto III DMA Design, Rockstar Vienna PlayStation 2, Microsoft Windows, Xbox October 22, 2001
Grand Theft Auto: Vice City Rockstar North, Rockstar Vienna PlayStation 2, Microsoft Windows, Xbox October 27, 2002
Grand Theft Auto Advance Digital Eclipse Game Boy Advance October 25, 2004
Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas Rockstar North PlayStation 2, Microsoft Windows, Xbox October 26, 2004
Grand Theft Auto: Liberty City Stories Rockstar North, Rockstar Leeds PlayStation Portable, PlayStation 2 October 25, 2005
Grand Theft Auto: Vice City Stories Rockstar North, Rockstar Leeds PlayStation Portable, PlayStation 2 October 31, 2006
Grand Theft Auto IV Rockstar North PlayStation 3, Xbox 360 April 29, 2008
I think it is useful, but would be better included either a)at the bottom of the article, as part of a Summary section or b)as a collapsible table in the Overview History section, like this:
Dbam Talk/Contributions 10:19, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
Collapsible table is a neat idea. It must be added.--SkyWalker (talk) 12:17, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the input, collapsible table looks and works great. —MJBurrage(T•C) 15:28, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
Indeed. It's much less cluttering. ♣ Klptyzm Chat wit' me § Contributions ♣ 05:35, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Controversy since GTA3?

I'm certain there was controversy about the series before GTA3 - I remember the feeling of anticipation when I bought GTA2 as a cheeky young scamp below the age rating on the box. And they showed archive news reports about the first GTA on BBC News last week. --taras (talk) 13:50, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Yeah there was. Rockstar Games even hired Max Clifford to cause controversy about the game as they believed it would get the game noticed. A lot of stories were made up as well. I'll see if I can find something. .:Alex:. 15:58, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Phil Cassidy Page?

He plays a major role in both Vice City games, A minor role in GTA 3, and owns a store in GTA:LCS. Just a question, since we have so much information on him, why don't we try to get all the articles together and make his own page since he is quite diffrent from the other characters? He makes some sort of appearance in each game in the GTA 3 Series except San Andreas. Ledgo (talk) 12:05, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

There's a lot of plot information available for him, but I've not seen much info on the development of the character or other non-plot info. To satisfy various policies it needs to have both plot info and non plot info. Bill (talk|contribs) 12:11, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
He is one of he four people who make the Bank Heist in Vice City possible, and before and after, gives missions to Tommy Vercitti until the moonshine accident, and in the first game, he is one of Vic Vances first employers. I would try to make the page myself, but I don't know alot about Wikipedia article creation. Ledgo (talk) 17:14, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
The page also doesn't need to be made; he doesn't have a major impact on the story before or really after that point. ♣ Klptyzm Chat wit' me § Contributions ♣ 18:38, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
That could be argued around a bit, but in the end to avoid a debate, it's probrably best not to try. Though he does help all main characters in someway except SA (Maybe LCS and III) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ledgo (talk • contribs) 18:39, 18 May 2008 (UTC)