Talk:Grand Mosque Seizure

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[edit] early discussion

I wouldn't describe this incident as Iraq-related, since it happened in Saudi Arabia, even before the first Gulf War.

The article mentions 200 dissidents, however another online article has the count at 500. Which is correct?

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/context.jsp?item=a10070brothersties

[edit] More Wiki links?

When I first read the article, last April, there was not even one article linking to this one. I linked to it from 3 other articles; it wasn't even mentioned in a list of terrorist attacks in Saudi Arabia! I suppose it merits some more links, as there are so many aspects to this, relatively early, Islamist attack. GdB 10:53, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

OK another article on Wikipedia about alqutaibi mentions that there were 1200 to 1500 terrorists, but this article sayd there were 250. Another mistake, the mosque is in Mecca, but, in the quotations from the Middle East expert, they mention that the Mosque is in Medina, a different city.

[edit] Great work

Wow, there's a whole lot more to this article than the last time I looked at it. Good job, people!

[edit] Pakistani SSG Connection - Missing

One important fact which goes missing in article is the Pakistani connection in regaining the control of the holy mosque.

When Saudi forces failed and lost 127 of its soldiers, Prince Sultan (then Saudi defence Minister) requested Pakistani President Zia-ul-Haq to send in Pakistan Army's SSG (Special Services Group) Commandoes, they along with French men did a combined operation.A few Pakistani commandoes even died during the battle.

The popular belief is that Pakistani commdandoes alone carried out the operation, and french were mere planners.

[edit] Videos of the Incident

first of all There Was No Pakistani Involvement

i have two videos of the incident. all the troopers and vehicles in the videos of combat were Saudis. the Pakistani involvement is a rumor , not a fact. and its only started by "it is said that.." or a rumor by an anti-Saudi propaganda book which can not be reliable as a source.

only 3 Frenchmen from GIGN were connected but they never participated. they were sent to the military base in Taif to provide quick training for Saudi Special Security Forces on non-lethal gas weapons.

if it is possible on wikipedia , i may upload the live-combat two videos and make them available online.

--77.31.203.146 (talk) 16:14, 27 April 2008 (UTC)SaudiVeteran

[edit] No evidence

There's no evidence of the French and Pakistani forces being involved. It should be either deleted, or someone should provide proof.--70.230.200.219 12:46, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

I heard alot about french support in this case . Ammar (Talk - Don't Talk) 13:55, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
Unless you can provide a few links from reliable sources, it should go. Mbslrm 20:22, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
don't worry , i still did not contribute. Ammar (Talk - Don't Talk) 00:02, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Mahdi rumor

I heard something about Juhaiman being declared the Mahdi during this debacle. Does anybody know further? (Thanks for the link to the book on the subject, I want to check it out now.) Rustoler 21:31, 30 September 2007 (UTC)Rafi

[edit] The Siege of Mecca: The Forgotten Uprising in Islam's Holiest Shrine

http://www.amazon.com/Siege-Mecca-Forgotten-Uprising-al-Qaeda/dp/0385519257

Additional information regarding the siege have appeared, included detailed information of GIGN involvement. Anyone keen to surmise the salient points?

Koxinga CDF 13:00, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Have attempted to cleanup and source the article

See what you think.--BoogaLouie 23:08, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] National Guard

"National Guard troops had infiltrated weapons, ammunition, gas masks, and provisions into the mosque compound over a period of weeks before the new year."

These are National Guardsmen sympathetic to the militants? This should be stated explicitly, it's confusing in its current form. Evercat (talk) 03:10, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

reworded it. Prevoiusly it sounded as though the whole National Guard was on the side of the insurgents. --BoogaLouie (talk) 19:27, 11 January 2008 (UTC)