Talk:Grand Duchess Alexandra Georgievna of Russia

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[edit] Requested move (February 2007)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the debate was PAGE NOT MOVED -- as there was no consensus for the move per discussion below. --Philip Baird Shearer 10:50, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

From "Alexandra Georgievna of Greece and Denmark" to "Grand Duchess Alexandra Georgievna of Russia"
  • Support Gryffindor 17:11, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

This page was moved so many times it's enough. The lady was never queen consort, therefore the rules for consorts do not apply here. Either name the article her née name which is "Princess Alexandra of Greece and Denmark" or her married name and title, but not this bizarre mish-mash. Gryffindor 18:24, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

I would love this to be under heading Alexandra Yurievna of Greece Arrigo 00:43, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

Why? She was Alexandra Georgievna, not Alexandra Yurievna... and when moving pages, please use the "move" feature at the top of the page, and don't just copy-paste. Thanks! --Matjlav 17:03, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

Firstly, please kindly specifically say what here is an inappropriate cut-and-paste. Afaik this was lastly moved with move button. Careful with reading the edit history, please.

Secondly, on what do you base an erroneous claim that Russian patronymic "daughter of George" as part of name is Georgievna, not Yurievna?? Georgievna rather is sort of semi-anglic/german/western bastardized version, whereas "Yurij" is the translitered Russian name, on basis of which patronymics too should be. Please explain your credentials in assessing Georgievna to be better than Yurievna. Please give evidence that Georgievna is used by modern high-quality texts, instead of Yurievna (Georgievna may have been used in semi-german/anglic very old texts, and in low-quality texts, afaik, but never in today high-quality works).

Thirdly, you apprently missed the point. The "of Greece" is the new element suggested above. Have you checked naming conventions of non-reigning royals? What is your reasoning for the territorial designation being absent from this subject's heading? (I am not extremely insistent on territorial designations, and in some articles I have supported such be left out, but I would like to hear your reasons for this case). 217.140.193.123 17:19, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

In almost every book that mentions the Grand Duchess Paul, she is mentioned as Alexandra Georgievna. I'd like to know what you consider a "high-quality text." I have rarely, if ever, read a book concerning the Romanovs that calls her Alexandra Yurievna, and she has been mentioned in Nicholas & Alexandra by Robert Massie, (which is considered one of the best books about the family) as well as The Romanovs: Love, Power and Tragedy; The Flight of the Romanovs, and numerous other well-known, and very highly regarded books. Morhange 01:37, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
A naming like Alexandra Yurievna is easily assumed to be a Russian name, so there is not much need for disambig, afaik. However, just "Alexandra" would not be sufficient, as there are countless monarchies that use that name, so the territorial designation is needed.
And excuse me for the move button mistake - I was looking at the talk page history and didn't notice, sorry! --~~
If you are going to go for the full Russian name, you might as well call her Aleksandra Yurievna. I think this belongs at Alexandra of Greece, or at the very least, Alexandra Georgievna of Greece. We're going by what they were most commonly known as in English, then it needs to be at Alexandra Georgievna. Morhange 23:25, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

Next time such a request is made please use the format recommend on the WP:RM page as it is very difficult to work out whether there was a consensus to move to a specific name. I've read it that while there is no consensus to support this name there is not a clear consensus to move to a specific different name. --Philip Baird Shearer 10:50, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

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