Talk:Graf

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I need a consensus on this. Should links to persons with surnames such as Graf be included in an article about "graf", the title for German "count"? I personally think if there is enough material for the man there should be a separate article. I have never seen mixing personal names and ordinary nouns in any normal encyclopedic article. --Dieter Simon 23:48, 27 Nov 2003 (UTC)


The link to march does not make sense. I am not sure how to direct it to the disambiguation-page 'Mark'

--Yak 17:52, Mar 4, 2004 (UTC)

Better?
--Ruhrjung 22:25, 4 Mar 2004 (UTC)


What about "Deichgraf", isn't that a title as well? Bgohla 22:17, 2005 May 15 (UTC)

  • I'm not entirely sure about the German, but the litteral Dutch translation "Dijkgraaf" exists, be it for a non-aristocratic official in water management

I am sure graf is related to the anglosaxon gerefa, reeve, meaning officer not graph, this should be checked.

  • was checked in German sources; double-checking on Anglophone sites confirms the precise origin of Gerefa is uncertain, but no relation is believed. Fastifex 13:26, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Marquess or marquis

Collins English Dictionary, Longman Dictionary of the English Language, and The Chambers Dictionary give "marquis" as an alternative to "marquess". Have put the alternative back into the article. Dieter Simon 00:32, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Graf is still part of the last name

"Today, Graf is considered part of the name, and no longer to be considered as a title. [1]" This statement is not correct. It is true, that in Germany nobility was abolished ín 1918/1919 and former aristocratic titles became part of the last name (Graf being one aristocratic title). However, the title and post of Graf (=count) still exists in the world and this statement should be clarified: That in Germany Aristocracy in a legal sence and their titles no longer exist IN GERMANY, and that IN GERMANY (Not so in Austria for example) in 1919 the former titles became part of the last names

[edit] Rhinegrave, Wildgrave, Raugrave, Altgrave

I replaced the content of these sections, since they contradicted both de.wikipedia.org and several other sources. If the old content is valid in any way, please add it back in (with references, ideally). Chl 21:20, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

  • Bless you Chl, I spent a half-hour clarifying those terms just below the chart with the different -graf titles before I noticed you had entered that info already. Heaven knows where the stuff before your version came from...! Cheers, Trigaranus 19:40, 29 August 2007 (UTC)