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This article seems to be overwhelingly about Tiberius Gracchus. Perhaps that content should be moved to that page, and any other Gracchi might be mentioned here? --Brion VIBBER
This article is missing the meat of the story, which is that both Gracchi were murdered by the Senate, becoming some sort of "martyrs of the people", like Malcolm X, or something. Also that bit at the end about thugs is definitely not NPOV. Lemme dig up my books and I'll add to this. Graft 17:07 Aug 8, 2002 (PDT)
- Moved back to Tiberius page Muriel Gottrop 10:23, 7 Sep 2003 (UTC)
Surely it's not possible to be both noble and plebeian? Isn't noble just a synonym for Patrician, or am I mistaken?--Alun 10:38, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Actually, it was possible to be noble and plebeian - many of the top noble families were. Exactly who the nobles are is open to some speculation (but see Brunt, PA 1982 'Nobilitas and Novitas' JHS 72 p1.17 for a brief summary of some positions). I suspect most believe that nobles were those who could count a consul among their ancestors. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.10.121.2 (talk) 08:51, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
This is how it was taught to me by my professor of ancient Roman history: the term 'nobilitas' denotes a mixture of patricians (i.e. descendants of Rome's earliest inhabitants, making up its upper class) and plebeians (= descendants of later immigrants), who, after plebeians were allowed to stand for the consulate (367 BC: the leges Liciniae), were incorporated into the senatorial order, which was originally all-patrician. Old patricians (patres) and new senators (conscripti) made up what became known as the 'nobilitas'. So, yes, you could be plebeian and noble at the same time. 'Noble' and 'patrician' aren't synonyms. (Stefan van den Broeck) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.201.241.142 (talk) 13:23, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
