Talk:Gröûp X
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This article was nominated for deletion on 12 April 2006. The result of the discussion was keep. |
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This article was nominated for deletion on 2008 January 8. The result of the discussion was keep. |
Before I start, I gotta say first that I deleted a useless remark with no indication of the writer or any constructive intent.
First off, it would have to be noted that the group claims to be from Saudi Arabia, although they do not take this seriously, with their American pop culture references and their completely fake (and not resembling any existing) accents.
And then, it would have to be noted that all the flash animations, though done by different artists, are stick animations, with the drummer depicted with spiky hair (when depicted). And also, all of these animations that I know about have been submitted to Albino Black Sheep (here) with the exception of 'Too Many Guyz'.
In addition, a listing of their songs would be good. Blueaster 03:54, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
- Song lists belong on the pages for the albums, I created one such page and included the songs. Vicarious 02:34, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Cleanup
This article needs cleaned up. It should be divided into sections with a concise opening paragraph. Also, the band member list doesn't mention who plays the bass guitar. Consider this a minor peer review. Vicarious 02:34, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Merge?
The Stepping on the Crowtche owf Your Americain Presidaint article is basically a track list and an album cover. I suggest that it be merged into this article until such a time as there is enough verifiable information to make an article out of. Jkelly 16:43, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
- I'm in support of this merge--Urthogie 19:47, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
- I disagree with the merge, I think albums much like highschools are basically always notable. Many of the album articles are of similar size and quality. If you still disagree I certainly see the merit of your view but I'd prefer if you put it on WP:AFD before you merge it. Vicarious 19:58, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
- I'll do that if you insist.--Urthogie 08:31, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
- I disagree with the merge, I think albums much like highschools are basically always notable. Many of the album articles are of similar size and quality. If you still disagree I certainly see the merit of your view but I'd prefer if you put it on WP:AFD before you merge it. Vicarious 19:58, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
- I'm also in support of the merge. Tylerbot 21:52, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
- I'm against it because I'm not aware of cases where an album is merged into a band's article. No doubt that it's been done somewhere, but if so it doesn't mean it should have been. - furrykef (Talk at me) 05:00, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
- That's the best part of Wikipedia; we don't have to conform to all standards set forth in past entries. As long as we can justify it, and if people agree.. social evolution launches new precedents by itself. To me it makes sense that an article about a band should include a discography in the article. That's why I'm for the merge. Tylerbot 20:38, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
- There's a difference between including a discography, and merging an entire page with a track list and everything. - furrykef (Talk at me) 02:39, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
- Against. Worst comes to worst, AfD it. But I think it should stay. ⇒ SWATJester Ready Aim Fire! 03:42, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
- There's a difference between including a discography, and merging an entire page with a track list and everything. - furrykef (Talk at me) 02:39, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
- That's the best part of Wikipedia; we don't have to conform to all standards set forth in past entries. As long as we can justify it, and if people agree.. social evolution launches new precedents by itself. To me it makes sense that an article about a band should include a discography in the article. That's why I'm for the merge. Tylerbot 20:38, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
- I'm against it because I'm not aware of cases where an album is merged into a band's article. No doubt that it's been done somewhere, but if so it doesn't mean it should have been. - furrykef (Talk at me) 05:00, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
- I am against the merge. Although we don't need to follow past precident, I feel we should to make navigation easier/consistant throughout Wikipedia. -NickSentowski
- I am against the merge for the same reason as User:NickSentowski above. --BLuToRsE 00:49, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Band Members
While I understand and respect the fact that fans and the band members don't want to reveal their true identities, they should be noted here rather than refering readers elsewhere. Information should not be withheld simply because it is "frowned upon" by those it concerns. If we start letting information in resources such as this be controlled by those to whom it pertains where will we find the truth?--BSRichard 00:46, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
- A valid point. I guess the question is really whether or not it's our duty to reveal the complete truth. My opinion is we can use a little discretion in this case; it wouldn't seem right to ruin the "magic". I think if we opt to include the information we'll need some kind of spoiler notice, just as we do for magic tricks for example. - furrykef (Talk at me) 01:40, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
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- I realized mentioning magic tricks may seem like a non-sequitur. I just chose them as an example of something nonfictional that still needs a spoiler notice. - furrykef (Talk at me) 17:17, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
I think it is the mission of encyclopedia to inform, not to keep the illusions that the people want to have. If somebody comes to wikipedia and not some other site looking for encyclopedic information, they probably want all the information that is available.
- OK, but we'd still need a spoiler notice of some kind. We would also have to find a way to make it possible to figure out who the band members are (that is, who they "claim" to be) without reading the spoilers, since a reader should be able to know that the three members were Hashmeer, Blade, and Rex without reading that their "true" identities are [blah blah blah]. - furrykef (Talk at me) 23:30, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
- A spoiler warning? It isn't a book or a huge surprise, it is an encyclopedia. I would understand if hiding their identities was necessary for them to continue fighting crime with music, but they are just people. The information should be included without spoiler warnings. This is an encyclopedia. Refusing to post the information because the fandom "frowns upon it" is fancruft and shouldn't even be an issue. Vaguely 22:33, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
- They're not just people; they may (and I'm sure do) feel that having their identities secret is an essential part of their act. I think that's something that needs to be kept in mind. Besides, is it reasonable to expect that some people who would read the article would want a spoiler warning to be there? Yes. - furrykef (Talk at me) 23:31, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
- Okay, they are just people, they're not superheroes. What I am saying is that spoiler warnings on WP are so overused anyway, I feel that their inclusion here is ridiculous. But if you feel that someone may have a hissy fit over it, then feel free to put up the information with the tag attached, but either way, put up the information. This is an encyclopedia and if a band as little known as Group X is deserving of a page, then all the information that is pertinent to them should be posted and since their music depends heavily on fake accents and a heavy anti-American sentiment, it is notable. Vaguely 23:26, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
- They're not just people; they may (and I'm sure do) feel that having their identities secret is an essential part of their act. I think that's something that needs to be kept in mind. Besides, is it reasonable to expect that some people who would read the article would want a spoiler warning to be there? Yes. - furrykef (Talk at me) 23:31, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
- A spoiler warning? It isn't a book or a huge surprise, it is an encyclopedia. I would understand if hiding their identities was necessary for them to continue fighting crime with music, but they are just people. The information should be included without spoiler warnings. This is an encyclopedia. Refusing to post the information because the fandom "frowns upon it" is fancruft and shouldn't even be an issue. Vaguely 22:33, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] I did some clean up
Hi, I did some clean up on the article. I took off unnecessary info and added a new, simpler introduction. I think someone that really knows the band well should do major clean up... --Zouavman Le Zouave 10:45, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Removed fan sites from the links area
I wouldn't be able to provide a link to the exact rule, but I know it says somewhere Wikipedia's not a link farm. -Fez2005 02:04, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Sources
A skim over this article shows no independent, reliable sources. These are paramount for proving notability. At the moment, most of their fame seems to stem from some flash animations made by random people (articles on some of whom have been deleted).--Drat (Talk) 16:43, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
- From the sounds of it though, all you've seen 'is' just the flash animations. There is a tonne of stuff included on the DVD that sheds more light. Including an audio commentary. I do agree with you though, I might review some of the DVD segments, as trawling their message boards is somewhat fruitless and incorrect.Bento180 11:51, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
- That's ignoring the fact that message boards are not a reliable source. As for their DVD, that's not independent.--Drat (Talk) 12:33, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
- Then what do you propose? The Audio Commentary is not done by any of the band members themselves, it is done from White Chocolate's perspective and some other protagonist, would that not classify it as an external/independent source? -Bento180 03:30, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
- Added Newspaper article as a source to what I would call "antics"Bento180 03:09, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
- You have to cite the sources to support statements in the article. Throwing links at it isn't enough.--Drat (Talk) 05:03, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
- This is true, this page needs to be re-done anyway as Hashmeer has rejoined the band...well according to their site and a few other things I've been looking at. The coding on this page might need a bit of work as well. Thanks for the input Drat.-Bento180 13:57, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
- You have to cite the sources to support statements in the article. Throwing links at it isn't enough.--Drat (Talk) 05:03, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
- Added Newspaper article as a source to what I would call "antics"Bento180 03:09, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
- Then what do you propose? The Audio Commentary is not done by any of the band members themselves, it is done from White Chocolate's perspective and some other protagonist, would that not classify it as an external/independent source? -Bento180 03:30, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
- That's ignoring the fact that message boards are not a reliable source. As for their DVD, that's not independent.--Drat (Talk) 12:33, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Updates
I've adding little tidbit here and there, and have enough sources to at least improve the articles credibility( though most are secondary and questionable)I don't beleive enough is covered on their stage persona (which I've been adding to) and I believe some more notes need to be added about some of their songs, most of them appear to be covers/rewrites of other songs like the come original reference Bento180 04:25, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Controversy
Looking at their Official forums it seems that there are a lot of issues with their shipping of orders. Quite a lot of people didn't get products they ordered from Group X. Could this warrant an addition to the controversy section? ProdigySim (talk) 16:26, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
