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Should there be a section about the fandom? We can move things like rumors there. Like, for example, 2D's last name being "Tusspot" is a complete fan fabrication for all I know. Plus, there was a bunch of fansites in the links at the bottom that were taken out. It'd be good to mention things here like Schneeflocke that are often confused with being official. OR, on the other hand, does it need to be there? What do you think?

--JSC

I think it'd be enough to mention this to a certain degree in the History section (if there are actual sources for this). All the rumors should be removed from the article alltogether. ("Articles that present [...] speculation [...] are original research and therefore inappropriate." see What Wikipedia is not. That page also gives reasons for the fansites being removed). --Fritz S. (Talk) 16:22, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

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What about Tina?

I'm not totally sure, but i thought Tina Weymouth and whatever her husband's name is (essentially the drummer and bassist of the Talking heads) were heavily involved with the Gorillaz stuff? Am I misinformed or should we change the article to reference that? -85

I think she only collaborated on one track? If that's correct she'd no more or less involved than Ike Turner or Shaun Ryder.

G peoples

Who all from the forums (either the Official or the G-U) has contributed to the page? I put in the G-U reference. I'm so awesome. :P

ManiacalLaughter

Well, I added a little info this week (March 2005). I was a member of the Gorillaz forums for almost a full year in 2001, but I haven't been back there since December of that year. I used to post there under the name 3D (original, huh?).

I remember a 3D. In any case, this isn't a forum. -MHR

I added a little recently.- 87th

I frequently check this page and edit it a bunch. ----JSC

Keep A Mild Groove On?

I was wondering why the history subsection for 2001-2003 was labeled "Keep A Mild Groove On"...? --Fritz S. 18:09, May 4, 2005 (UTC)

That bit is part from the 19-2000 song, if I'm not mistaken. 2D says it, but last time I checked, people weren't sure if that's really what he says, or if it's something else.--Kaonashi 07:24, 5 May 2005 (UTC)
I know it's a line from the song, I just didn't get why it would be used as a label for that time. --Fritz S.
Well, what would you rather have? I'm not trying to sound like a jerk or anything, but I can't think of anything else to call it. --Tobb
What about Celebrity Take Down? I mean, that's the title they themselves gave for Phase 1 and I think that would make more sense than just some random line from one of their songs. --Fritz S.
Well, you've gotten me there, but aesthetically, Keep A Mild Groove On sounds better.
I named it "Keep A Mild Groove On" because it sounded great and was short and snappy, but hey, I've seen one set of subtitles reading "Keeping my old groove on." "Tomorrow Comes Today" was gonna be "Laugh Now But One Day We'll Be In Charge" but that was too long. --MHR.

- I don't think "Laugh Now But One Day We'll Be In Charge" was ever a name for Tomorrow Comes Today. "Keep A Mild Groove On" may be aesthetically pleasing but it verges on the outright confusing, seeing as the phrase is of no overall significance for that time period. - 2-J

Does it matter? e_e

"Laugh Now But One Day We'll Be In Charge" is from a stecil graffiti of a very famous graffiti artist in england, I can't remember his name at the moment.The stecil is a monkey holding a sign that states the quote, and I think he has a spaceish hat on also. this stecil was shown three fold in the "tommorow comes today" video..not so sure about it as an alternate title.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.154.21.38 (talk • contribs) .
You're talking about Bansky. 128.227.3.233 02:42, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Pic size

I changed the pic to 400 pixels wide because at 300px wide it is only 164px tall, and IMO it looks a little small, especially in comparison to some other band photos (e.g. The Smiths, The Hives), but it's been reverted. I don't really care how big the pic is, as it is only a thumbnail so you can click thru to the larger version anyway. Just figured a slightly larger size looked aesthetically better. Gram 12:44, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

I did the revert, because images are usually supposed to be displayed at 200-250 pixels width (see Wikipedia:Image use policy#Displayed image size) and with 300px it already is a little larger than that. Larger the image would take most of the screen's space on a lower resolution like 800x600 and the article's text would only appear in a small column, and I think we all agree that the text is more important than the image. --Fritz S. 13:21, July 19, 2005 (UTC)
Screen size is a fine reason to change the size... But in this case I think the image is just as important as the text ;-) --Dilaudid 15:23, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
Of course, our top priority is the three people with 800x600 screens who may happen to read an article on Gorillaz, as long as their AOL dial-ups load the pages in less than 10 minutes... Really, why did I spend all my money on two 1920x1600 25" screens if sites are still built to accomodate people with archaic 800x600 CRTs?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.106.97.111 (talk • contribs) .

Fact/Fiction

Yes, Gorillaz are a Virtual Band. However, it would be good if we could somehow seperate the Fact of the Project from the Fiction. I'd like to know a little bit more about the goings on behind the Gorillaz scenes, and of coruse I'd like to know about the story that has developed around these characters. But I would like to be able to tell one from the other. --Squirminator2k 10:31, August 6, 2005 (UTC)

I'm working on splicing together a more complete "Fictional Band History", based off their presskits, promo booklets, and the Apex Tapes and We Are The Dury interview cds that most of the character quotes and print articles are culled from. The current band history is sorely lacking, frankly rather sophomoric, and is word for word plagarized from every major media outlet "bio" of the band on the internet. Are there any objections to a more detailed account of the Gorillaz character origins and storyline? I will have a draft completed this evening. --Thelatespaceboy 22:15, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

"Due to this, the fictional band members' Hotmail accounts were abandoned (and later hacked) and the inboxes on the site were never updated." should that be moved from the Phase One part into the fictional part or am i misinterpreting that?? -85

A Gorillaz movie?

Looks like there is going to be a movie about them:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0465655/

Cool, that's awesome someone should add it to the page.--Sultn 07:25, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

I don't know why this was deleted from the main Gorillaz page. As of this past June, the movie is still scheduled for a 2007 release. Sebastian Prospero 19:51, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

No it isn't. Give me ONE source that says this other than IMDB, who often gets information mixed up. They probably just heard about the OLD plans for the movie that were *cancelled* and put that up because they're morons. Jamie and Damon have said time and time again that no movie in in production anymore. --JSC

Duh! So everyone will be suprised when it does come out. Children figured this out, and not you? IMDb does suck though. -G

Right, "everyone will be surprised when it comes out". Makes a LOT of sense. *rolls eyes* Still waiting for ANY other mention of this happening other than IMDB. It's complete bull. --JSC

Noodle

Is Noodle a guy or a girl, in 19-2000 he/she sings like a man and looks like a man, in Feel good Inc. he/she looks like a man but in DARE he/she looks and sings like a girl.

  • Noodle is a young (10 year old?) Japanese girl.
    • Ten years old as of Gorillaz, 13 or 14 as of Demon Days. 68.104.201.53
      • Noodle is an 11 year old japanese girl acording to somthing i read
        • Then apparently, what you read is old. Noodle is a 13 yr old Japanese girl. Rumors state that Noodle's birthday is on Halloween. If this is true, she would be 14 (as of 1-7-06). I got my info from the Offical Gorillaz Cribs. It stated that she was 13 but the latest thing on the episode was the DARE video, which was released before Halloween. If you want to watch it, you can find it on YouTube. --xkelseygurl185x--
          • are you people really arguing about the birthdate of a fictional character?--Jeff 23:39, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
            • Yeah. Great, isn't it? -- Andrew McM 09:54, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
              • In 19-2000, I believe the part where noodles sings is accompanied by 2D's voice. That is why it sounds slightly like a man's voice.
            • Yes, how unusual, considering we're on a Wikipedia page dedicated to the band the character is in. We are soooo weird. 128.227.3.233 02:45, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

On the MTV Cribs episode, her age was listed as 13.

US Releases off Demon Days

I believe "Feel Good Inc." was released in the United States, since on Amazon it's not listed as an import single. You can see that here. Also, I can't find evidence that DARE will not be released at all. It may take a while, as most foreign singles do. If you can provide evidence that it'll never be released, I'll revert this edit. Sebastian Prospero 19:46, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

"911" single

Why is "911" listed as a single in the Singles section and in the Gorillaz template? As far as I know it was only available as a download and 12" promo for DJs... --Fritz S. 11:47, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

For starters the song has a cover art of its own. How many non-album songs have the same thing? --Andylkl (talk) 14:59, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
Still, I don't think having cover art qualifies a song as being a single. --Fritz S. 16:47, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
Yet, it was still was pressed as a 12" promo. If it wasn't for the free downloads through the website, at least it could've been considered as just a promotional single. Although it wasn't produced commercially, in your opinion, in what way does "911" defy the definition of the word "single"? --Andylkl (talk) 17:50, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
Well, I never said it doesn't fit any definition of a single. I just found it strange that while "911" is listed, "Gorillaz On My Mind" is not... --Fritz S. 20:59, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
Ahh, okay... By the way, after a bit of searching I found that the official Gorrilaz website's discography does include "911" as a single [1]. So does the Gorillaz-Unofficial website which has more info on it [2]. Does that clear things up? :) --Andylkl (talk) 08:46, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
Yes, you're right. Thanks. --Fritz S. 11:08, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

'Murdoc Is Dead' rumor

Shouldn't there be some mention of the "Murdoc Is Dead" rumor going around? I mean, there seems to be sufficient evidence now that it has acheived near the status that "Paul Is Dead" reached, and that has its own page entirely. If so, does anyone have some good info involving it? All I can think of is the portrayal of Murdoc as a zombie, the song "Murdoc Is God", and the lyrics in the last three songs of Demon Days, but I know there's more.

--The Phantom Trogdor

Well, as far as I can see it's not even close to the "Paul is dead" thing. It also is already mentioned in the Demon Days article and there isn't much more one could write that wouldn't be original research or pure speculation, so I personally think that is enough. --Fritz S. (Talk) 20:47, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

This thread on the Gorillaz-Unofficial messageboard talks about it in great depth- http://gorillaz-unofficial.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=868 Clues in artwork and lyrics point at Murdoc's Death. One picture shows Murdoc being chased by some thugs and a second Murdoc. Some suggest that this is a member of a heavy metal band (who was possibly called 'Johnny') who wanted instant fame, and saw that another bassist looked extremely like him, so he killed him and took his place. Many pictures show Murdoc in lethal situations or represented as a zombie. Some also suggest that backtracked songs from Demon Days hold clues.


In the song "Murdoc Is God" on the Feel Good Inc single, the lyrics are read as "Murdoc is dead, Murdoc is dead," but, as is Murdoc's haircut,it is just another Beatles reference.

Bertrand Russell

there needs to be a disambiguation page for this philosopher, currently "russel" redirects here.


Don't be ridiculous. 'Russel' is not even spelt the same as 'Russell'. - 2-J

Phi Life Cypher - Funkydemons or Not?

I noticed that my edits have been changed, but from what I know in the Clint Eastwood (Phi life Cypher Version), they make actual refrences to being inside Russel's head. Maybe there should be some more clarifiaction about this issue. To the editor - I'm not trying to point out that you're wrong, I just want to get this straight. Here's a link to a guide about the song: Gorillaz-Unofficial Songs Guide - Clint Eastwood (Phi Life Cypher Version) I Am Ri¢h 22:05, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

I was the one who edited it. They're not funkydemons as far as I know despite those lyrics. They were never seen as ghosts, only as real people, while in contrast Del was always protrayed as a ghost and never appeared live. That says to me that Phi Life Cypher was just a collaborator, in the same way Ibrahim Ferrer was. --JSC

Okay thanks, I just wanted to get this straight, I was confused when that was edited it out becuase of that page. Well, Thanks again I Am Ri¢h 21:50, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

Description (first line) is really bad

"are an animated Britpop collective or supergroup " in the first line was woefully inaccurate, and just sounds terrible. The animated band is neither a Britpop group (in style they're not, and only two members are brits anyway) and it is not a supergroup. So I've changed it.

- 2-J

Cleanup

This article needs to be checked for proper spelling, grammar, tone and style. The article is full of weasel words, which should be avoided. Most of it is also unreferenced, especially the Members section, which mostly consist of speculation about the characters ages. These are on the verge of original research. The list of Horror references seems rather useless, unless there is more information such as where these references are made.

Also, there are some Gorillaz related articles (Jump The Gut, The Apex Tapes, We Are the Dury) that are probably not really notable enough to justify seperate articles for each (I think it would be a good idea to merge We Are the Duty and The Apex Tapes into something like Gorillaz interview CDs, or into the History section of this article) I doubt these will emerge from their stub status on their own. --Fritz S. (Talk) 10:57, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Well, to help the cleanup, I'm going to delete the picture of the Gorillaz in Phase One Point Five off the page and list it for deletion, unless testified. I personally think it's really not needed. --I Am Ri¢h! 16:01, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
I went through and fixed some grammatical and structural errors, and cleaned up up to the section concerning the cartoon band members. I think the issue about Noodle's age is more fair now, since we really have no idea what's going on with that officially. I dunno... everything else seems okay? What else needs work? Just some chick 05:15, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
As I said, the Horror references section doesn't make much sense in my opinion. Also, I think the Singles section should be the way the rest of the discography is (There isn't really any need for a table here. And I doubt we need to list the chart entries, especially as many are empty and they're usually listed on the songs' articles anyway. And even if these shall be included, they can just go behind the listing as in the Albums section). The Early career section might need some expansion, for example mentioning of the Deltron 3030 project. Also, the lead is quite short, given the length of the overall article. Also, I think the Actual members section could use a picture of Damon and Jamie (possibly also of DM, as he was one of the real life representatives of the band for the Demon Days promotions).
And most important, there need to references! Things like "an EMI interview later revealed that plans for the film were abandoned." and "In real life Albarn and Hewlett didn't ask the real Del to come back." really need to be more specific about where this information is coming from, so other editors don't have trouble confirming it. --Fritz S. (Talk) 11:32, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Fictional?

The article reads: "Gorillaz are an animated, fictional, virtual band". I agree they're virtual and animated, but fictional? The band does exist. In my opinion, a fictional band would be, for example, a band that appeared in a movie but doesn't really exist. Like the band in That Thing You Do. But Gorillaz, animated as they may be, are a real band. What's your opinion? ironcito 23:27, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Totally agree. This should be moved to the second part of the sentence like this: "Gorillaz are an virtual band, comprised of four fictional animated band members:" --Fritz S. (Talk) 23:34, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

This "Tusspot" Nonsense

Someone is now claiming that "Tusspot" is official, and has added in that it appears in an official source. Please don't start an edit war. And if you want to insist it's official, by all means -- let's see this "source" of yours. --JSC

The name "Tusspot" has nothing to do with Gorillaz. "Pot" MAY be 2D's last name though. I believe the name was born on 2D's Spectrum chat.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 152.163.100.74 (talk • contribs) .

It was an insult people used on me along with "Tums. "—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.12.116.14 (talk • contribs) .

You know, adding to the "Tusspot" nonsense, for all we know, the "Pot" in "Stu-Pot" could mean "Potter." That is a very common surname. although, for obvious reasons, one would not think that was it.

- concerned fan—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.129.141.204 (talk • contribs) .

2D's real name IS Stuart Tusspot—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.138.63.160 (talk • contribs) .

Do you have any sources for that? --Fritz S. (Talk) 07:05, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Yep - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2D_%28Gorillaz%29 it says it there and it's stated on gorillaz.com in the fourms.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.157.210.80 (talk • contribs) .

Another unsourced Wikipedia article hardly qualifies as a reliable source. And neither does what some fans say on the forum. --Fritz S. (Talk) 11:33, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

I'm somewhat sure that on the celebrity take down DVD one of 2d ex "girlfriends" is the one who says about his nickname of stu-pot...did she say trusspot?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.154.21.38 (talk • contribs) .

No. She actually says "Stu-Pot" was his real name, which we know is not the simple truth, since Murdoc has called him "Stuart". 128.227.3.233 02:49, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Live show picture?

Did anybody here attend one of the band's live shows and possibly made a good picture they were willing to release under a free license so we can use it in the article? --Fritz S. (Talk) 11:22, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

I have a 320x240 video of the show on my PSP. Would it be "free license" to take a screenshot from that? Taylor 01:44, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

That depends on who took the video and under what license it has been released. Although we could also use a screenshot from that under fair use, but something with a free license (public domain, GFDL, GNU or similar) would be better.--Fritz S. (Talk) 10:17, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
[www.gorillaz-unofficial.com] offers some pics of some of the live shows. --I Am Ri¢h! 04:29, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Articles for Band Members

I think we need articles for each individual band member. Tell me what you think...

It sounds a bit superfluous, but if done right, could be worth it. Tobb

Yeah, I mean we have an article for freaking "Jump the Gut." If we're going to get that detailed into the Gorillaz, why not make actual pages about the fictional members?

There's a great deal of things that can be said about 2D and Murdoc, and not much less about Russel and Noodle, so I think there's need for a page. Gorillaz-Unofficial has listings of the real musicians, too, which could be added to the members' articles.

The New Feel Good Inc. EP on iTunes

I know the material is nothing new, but should we write an article about the iTunes exclusive Feel Good Inc. EP? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.214.95.63 (talk • contribs) .

I think mentioning it in the Feel Good Inc. article is enough, there's no need for a new article about that. --Fritz S. (Talk) 10:51, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, you're right. 66.214.95.63 04:34, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Gorillaz discography

As this article was getting a little large, I moved most of the discography section to a new article, Gorillaz discography, and kept only the basics in this one. --Fritz S. (Talk) 00:48, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

Apple

My friend told me that the Gorillaz once were owned by Apple (in fact, Apple Computers Inc is credited in the "Clint Eastwood" video), but I don't see anything about it in the article. The Republican 02:22, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

I think this is just a rumor that started when Feel Good Inc. was used in iPod adverts.

The credit could just be because Apple (may have) donated or assisted in some way with the animation, or even that they just used Macintosh products to create their videos and were thanking Apple for having created the machine. I don't think Apple owned Gorillaz at one point. --MPD01605 22:43, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Del tha Funkee Homospaien

Am I the only one who finds Del tha Funkee Homospaien's relationship with the group a little confusing in this article? Is he just a ghost in two songs named Del or is he actually a member of the group named Russel? Also I might be wrong but it sounds a lot like him in "We Get the Cool Shoeshine".—The preceding unsigned comment was added by The Next Biggish Thing (talk • contribs) .

As explained in the article (in the Fictional history section), Del is a phantom, possessing Russel. The song you call "We Get the Cool Shoeshine" is actually "19-2000". --Fritz S. (Talk) 13:58, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Yea sorry i didn't mean to say "We Get the Cool Shoeshine". I was getting mixed up. Its clearly not him in that song. I only found the article a little confusing in that I was unsure whether Del was actually the ghost or whether he was Russel, as they appear to be different characters. I now understand the difference.

I do agree that Del's cooperation with the band is somewhat confusing. Was he 'kicked out' or was he busy with other projects?

Del was just a collaberater on 2 songs (sorry bout any bad spelling) He was no more part of the band as Del la Sol is after Feel Good Inc—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.138.60.110 (talk • contribs) .

Captions Contradicting Each Other

I just noticed that the two pictures that describe the detail of the artwork for Gorillaz in their early career and then in their later career contradict each other. Although I think I can tell which is right, I would like to have this brought up here before I change the wrong bit. So I ask: Was the artwork for Gorillaz more detailed during its cartoonish phase or during its later dark phase? Cawifre 20:16, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Is there enough information for a seperate article about Kong Studios?

Thanks to whoever edited those contradicting captions. Not sure what Kong has to do with those pictures though... I will create a new section in this talk page to address that. Cawifre 22:33, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Oh, that was me who said that the older style was less detailed. It's no problem.  :) Taylor 09:27, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

New article for Kong Studios?

Not quite sure who it was that said this (the comment was unsigned) but it is right above this in the section about contradicting captions: "Is there enough information for a seperate article about Kong Studios?" Now I am not quite sure exactly how much information is available on Kong, but I do believe it deserves its own article (I will check for more precedents, but there are already articles on Neverland Ranch or The Playboy Mansion, and methinks that being a virtual band should not exclude Gorillaz from the crib havin action). There has to at least be enough info for a stub! Cawifre 22:46, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Good point. I reckon that a stub is in order. Taylor 07:18, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
I will start one then! (Yay, my first real contribution!) Cawifre 22:03, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
Someone deleted the Kong Studios page and left it as a redirect again! I have no problem with this if they can explain their reasoning, but for now I am reverting back. Deletion without an explaination is a no-no! Cawifre 22:09, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Dirty Harry synth riff by hobbyist?

I deleted the claim that the synth riff from Dirty Harry was written by a "hobbyist" called Ginge. It is not shown anywhere, and I'm sure that it would be fairly published if it were true. Anyway, the riff is shown "under construction" in I Need A Gun on Democrazy. Taylor 07:21, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Rumors section removed

I removed the rumors section as both The Sun and The Mirror hardly qualify as reliable sources, and the rumors have been dismissed as untrue anyway. There's no sense in listing these on the page, let alone in their own section. --Fritz S. (Talk) 10:56, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

SoHo

I fixed the link to the SoHo article so that it refers to the one in New York.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.176.199.123 (talk • contribs) .

Disbanding/Naming convention issue

Is there any heft to the news reported by a few sites regarding Albarn disbanding Gorillaz yet again to focus on other projects?

Also, would one present the name of Albarn's alter-ego as "2-D" or "2D" as most have been simply flocking toward doing? It was initially presented with the hyphenation intact during the first album's era and now it seems I have suddenly seen an influx of individuals dropping the hyphenation without hesitancy. 75.2.49.106 21:00, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Absolutely not. If any single character was his "alter ego", it would be Noodle, as she's the one who was supposed to've wrote the album. As the article states, non of the characters represent any real-life people. 128.227.3.233 02:52, 5 May 2006 (UTC)