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To-do list for Gorillaz: edit · history · watch · refresh
  • Add more citations, each paragraph should have a few at least.
  • Shorten Fictional band history section and write in more encyclopaedic tone, currently written a too stylistically and dramatically.
  • Rewrite and integrated short paragraphs into larger paragraphs to allow better flow of the text.
  • Reorganise Live performances section


Other Gorillaz-related articles

  • Cleanup individual members' articles

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[edit] Gorillaz have a future

I just read an interview with Murdoc and he said Gorillaz will have a future! I have also added it to the article.A7X 900 23:32, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

i added Brit Pop to the genreBlood8815 04:30, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] It should be 2000-2006!

I made an edit saying 2000-2006 up at the top and someone erased it! The Gorillaz is over the creator said, so am just keeping the page up to date!A7X 900 03:34, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

But since there is a movie it is possible for a soundtrack.So it should be 2000-present.209.214.109.78 05:08, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes there is going to to a movie, but Albarn clearly said in Uncut Magazine, quote "as far as being a big band and putting pop music out there, its finished. We won't be doing that any more." So my point is, is that the Gorillaz is over. And yes, there may be a *movie* soundtrack, but not a real album. Once the movie is done, The Gorillaz will break up. So it should(now that I think about it) be 2000-2007.A7X 900 17:30, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

How do you know the movie will be made in '07? So if I were you I'd keep it 2000-present.208.60.230.54 21:36, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

You, know I thought about it and I changed my mind about the whole 2000-2006 or '07 thing. You also make a strong point about how I'd know when the movie will be coming out in 2007. And the answer is,is that I don't know it was a guess, and Wikipedia is a place to state fact's not shallow guesses. But once the movie come's out, the 2000-present need's to go.A7X 900 01:21, 10 October 2006 (UTC) Archived previous discussion:


Let's keep it as 2000-Present. They have not officially comfirmed about the band's break-up. User:Anthony12584 04:13, October 11 2006 (UTC)

Albarn did state the break-up! Just read the page!70.248.48.66 18:58, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Yeah I know when the movie comes out you should change it.But it probably will be a lonnnng time before it comes out.216.78.116.30 02:18, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

You know when it come's out? Alright we're all ear's!70.248.48.66 13:57, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Albarn may have said the band is coming to an end, but I really don't believe it. Leave it as 2000-Present, I have a feeling he's pulling a fast one. Besides, even if they are done, the movie isn't out so that's still a project to look forward to.

It's in NO WAY officially confirmed, considering the comments made by the band "members." It would be ridiculous to change it at this point. 72.49.235.223 01:45, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

This is probably late but the Gorillaz "broke up" before so this must just be a publicity thing. Martini833 22:27, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "Stuart Tusspot" is NOT OFFICIAL

2D's real name as "Stuart Tusspot" is NOT OFFICIAL in ANY WAY. You guys seem pretty good about needing sources, but how has this very important error been overlooked? I've removed it from the article for now (yet again) until someone produces an official source for this claim. Which won't happen since it isn't official. -67.8.50.67 04:53, 16 August 2006 (UTC)


Ittle probally be in Rise Of The Ogre. ~2-D —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 216.100.215.45 (talk • contribs) 21:26, 1 November 2006 (UTC).

And it was! Ittan 05:50, 28 January 2007 (UTC)


Well, owned. ~2-D

[edit] singles

what happened to hte singles section? capi 15:44, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Somebody had removed it, but it's back in now. --Fritz S. (Talk) 16:17, 9 May 2006 (UTC)


This page really needs some actualising, doesn't it? It still says Reject False Icons won't be the name of the second LP (the paragraph reads as though Demon Days hasn't been released)...—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gnominator (talk • contribs) .

Just fixed that, I also removed the message that RFI was a subliminal message in the live shows... kind of pointless really. Taylor 01:41, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

"Rock It" is an actual song by the Gorillaz. The link says it is a Chuck Berry album. Could someone please change this? I don't have time to change make this page and I don't have an account here, but I know these things 'cause I am a huge Gorillaz fan. Go to : http://www.gorillaz.com/screen.php?p=1&q=2&id=rockit Thank you...............—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pag--69.234.110.66 03:57, 11 July 2006 (UTC)es|unsigned]] comment was added by 70.170.52.12 (talk • contribs) .

[edit] Good article nomination

This is article is coming along nicely, but currently it is not ready for good article status. The intro to the fictional history section is not written in an encyclopedic manner, and should not be in bold (if anything italics), but it would be better if it were integrated into the body of the section.

The references section needs to be filled - this article is very light on references (even in-line ones) for it to be a GA. Also, the references that exist need to be unified. There some "link" references, as well as numbered references. Someone should probably convert these to the <ref> way of referencing.--Esprit15d 12:56, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Origin

Non-UK people have performed in songs for Gorillaz (like Ibrahim Ferrer, for example). Is it really accurate to say that Gorillaz as a whole is from the UK? —Michiel Sikma, 22:26, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Yes. Gorillaz is a British band. Non-British collaborators doesn't make it not British. 67.8.50.67 05:04, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

I agree, otherwise you would have to start changing or removing the nationality of every band which have ever featured foreign guest artists and that would be stupid.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.136.255.121 (talk • contribs) .

[edit] Birthdays

None of the birthdays listed in this article are official except Murdoc's. I'm removing the other three until someone produces a source for them... which I know won't happen, since there isn't one. 67.8.50.67 05:05, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Copyvio?

Copyright undetermined Ilmari Karonen suspects that this article (specifically [21568575 this version]) is a copyright violation, but without a source this can not be definitively determined. If this article can be shown to be a copyright infringement, please list the article on Wikipedia:Copyright problems. If you are certain that the article is not a copyright violation, you should give evidence below. Please do not remove this tag without discussion.

The Fictional history section reads like a probable copyvio to me, but I'm unable to confirm (or refute) this suspicion. Unfortunately, given how much Wikipedia itself is copied, it's very hard to track down prior online sources after nine months, especially as archive.org seems to be having problems at the moment. The section, as originally written, does cite several offline sources such as promo booklets. I'd be glad if anyone with access to the cited sources could compare them to (the original version of) the section and see whether or not the content has been copied verbatim. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 21:22, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Scans of both promo booklets can be found here and here. --Fritz S. (Talk) 08:18, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
The section does look very copied, and it's not written in an encyclopedic manner. I couldn't find the section verbatim in the promo booklets, but it is found by itself on [link to copyvio website removed], this, and other sites. In this and other pages, the only section used as an article is the section that reads like probable plagiarism. Also, the section itself says that the information is "as established by Albarn and Hewlett." Would this information be enough to show that it's copied?--Grant M 05:44, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
The fact that other sites have the same text could also mean they copied it from Wikipedia. The first link you gave for example has a date attached to the article and that's half a year after the text was added to Wiki. Another fact that indicates that the texts were copied from Wikipedia and not the other way around is that they are not the original version of the text added to Wiki in August 2005, but a later version to which some changes had been made over time. --Fritz S. (Talk) 08:20, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the clarification; I hadn't looked at the very first version of the text.--Grant M 07:16, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] the music

I think this article should talk more about what the characters do to contribute to the music, like who sings what and things like that. That's the stuff I would like to know.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 63.26.248.42 (talk • contribs) .

[edit] Genre?

Can anyone label then better? You know, instead of just 'rock' or 'hip-hop'...?--69.234.110.66 03:57, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

  • I think it's best to stick with it as Rock, Pop and Hip Hop as it is. :) If we listed every single genre the Gorillaz have recorded, we would need a new article called "List of Genres Gorillaz Have Recorded" (ha ha.) - James 01:03, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
  • I call them a "melting pot" :) Fledge 04:11, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
  • I added the genre Brit Pop Blood8815 01:48, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Collaborative? Progressive Rock/Rap? Ittan 05:47, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
  • The Gorillaz are acutally an Alternative band, FYI. (I didn't sign in, but I'm ??lostiNconfusIoN??) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.51.245.72 (talk) 21:08, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
  • They describe theyself "Zombie Rock"... O_o —Preceding unsigned comment added by Luketz (talk • contribs) 02:14, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Ender's Shadow reference?

This is actually more pertaining to Noodle, but I figured I'd repost it here since this is a much more active discussion than the Noodle page.

I was just reading about how Noodle was a secret Japanese government experiment and was the sole survivor of the 23 super soldiers created, the rest of whom were destroyed as a coverup of the experiments. Lately, I've been reading some books from the Ender's Game series (namely the Shadow series,) and I couldn't help but notice the connection. The character of Bean was the result of some illegal genetic experiments and one of 23 infants created in the lab and also the sole survivor. Coincidence?--Foot Dragoon 07:34, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

- I think you're looking for something that isn't there. The reference wouldn't make sense in context with the rest of the gorillaz mythology. Fledge 04:11, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Also, in the book, they devote an entire chapter to the number 23 and why it appears so often in the events surrounding the gorillaz. The reference may be there, since the Gorillaz are a highly collaborative group, but it shouldn't be placed in the article without any official statements from a representitive of the group. And I disagree with fledgling zombie, because the reference would make sence because the Gorillaz reference whatever the heck they feel like, and the Enders series is pretty cool. ^_^ Ittan 05:46, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] No opinions allowed

"Unlike other fictional bands whose music has had real-life success, they are neither a parody of a particular genre (Spinal Tap, A Mighty Wind) nor marketed to young children (The Archies), and their actual musical output is far more of an attraction to most of their fans than the novelty of their supposed existence as cartoon characters."

I'm taking this out. It's irrelevant to the article, itself, and based on the opinion of it's author. Human historian 20:06, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fictional band history: Russel Hobbs

"...African-American expatriate Russel Hobbs. Russel was a middle-class New York native..." This wording seems erroneous..."expatriate" suggests he was once the citizen of some other country (apparently the ethnicity "African-American" seems to suffice for the time being in place of a country), but he's simultaneously a New York native. Somebody who knows more about this character's origin, please update this clearly and accurately? Ø 18:28, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

I don't think we need a trivia section. It seems to have no real useful information. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.180.130.224 (talk • contribs) 3:30, 15 December 2006 (UTC).

... Which is why it's called "trivia." Albino Bebop 03:44, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Casse Brown

I think we should have an article for Casse Brown, the official script writer for Gorillaz. 69.180.130.224 02:25, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

It's Cass Browne IIRC just for accuracy. -PROPHET

[edit] Kong Studios

Should there be an article for Kong studios? Many important things happen there and it is importaant to the fictional history. Especially now with the destruction of the place and the events in the hellhole. I think it would be a good idea. Please respond. BioYu-Gi! 1/25/07 4:17 p.m.

I think that this is an excellent idea. I for one am not an expert on the subject of kong studios (stupid dial-up internet), but I do agree that it is a very important subject in the world that is Gorillaz. Ittan 05:40, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I definitely think Kong should have its own article. The only problem is its going to be hard to provide a history for the studios, for so much has happened, its going to be hard to get all the info on what has gone on in Kong throughout the years and there is so much to talk about. It would make a good article though.--Jarvisganon 04:05, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

I agree too :) QuasarFR 23:14, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
Well...we could use Rise of the Ogre as the main source. That, along with the forums on their website. If you just look way back you get the gist of what happened. But a lot of "Kong Happenings" are in Rise of the Ogre.Ittan 01:24, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] iPod promotion?

It surprises me that currently there's no mention of the huge promotion Gorillaz received from iPod, specially for their song Feel Good Inc., remember it featured in their comercials and the boxes of the Gen4 iPods had the same song with the image from the cover of the LP.

Vicco Lizcano 23:12, 8 February 2007 (UTC) (Tell me where I'm wrong)

[edit] Nigo?

Does anyone know if the artist Nigo of A Bathing Ape has anything to do with Gorillaz? I have a book that claims he is the artist behind them, but I can't find anything to back this up. There are a few other discrepancies in the book so it's quite possible that this information is inaccurate, but i just want to know for sure. davekeeling 21:50, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

(This question was asked and answered on the A Bathing Ape talk page. The answer was No.) - kollision 02:26, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] New album

Should we add the new album "Rise of the Ogre"?--989 RVD 20:44, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Oh. I just found out it's an autobiography. Never mind.--989 RVD 20:44, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] myspace link?

I noticed that the Gorillaz myspace link was deleted and never put back up. Why is that? Will someone delete it is I put it up again? LoganTheGeshrat 04:42, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Typically, myspace is not a valid source for reference. I assume that is why it was removed, and will be again if you put it back up. 204.115.253.51 20:15, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Gorillaz logo.png

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[edit] Intro and History not consistant

The intro says that the band was formed in 1998 whilst under the history section it says that the band was formed in 1999. --58.162.52.9 04:14, 8 June 2007 (UTC)


-Fixed. The Swagga 01:33, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] allmusic bio

Why so little to absolutely no mention of the REAL people behind the band?!

As it would appear somebody deleted it all. It's been put back. Zazaban 22:06, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 69.123.7.233

He's been vandalising the article, and I can't revert any more of his edits without breaking the 3RR. Zazaban 01:31, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Rapcore

I am going to to add Rapcore as a genre to the genresection as I think the style of rapcore matches the Gorillaz' work. Please tell me if you feel that it would not a suitable genre. Thundermaster367 13:48, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

I've removed Rapcore because they really aren't Rapcore at all. Alternative rock and alternative hip hop describe their style better. - kollision 02:56, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Reject False Icons.

The RFI website is gone, dig?

So i don't know whats up there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.54.133.197 (talk) 10:19, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Can someone explain this?

Quote from the article "Similarly, there is both a drummer and percussionist on the tour, both at a drum kit, so these people are essentially both Russel."

If they're both behind drum kits shouldn't they both be referred to as drummers? 64.247.95.71 (talk) 21:55, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Do we even know what they stand for?!?! NO!!! Than why listen to them?? Because they are awesome singers!!! Thats why. Even thouough their songs are kinda wiered still. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sexxi mama (talk • contribs) 00:03, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Whiffy Smiffy

"In the later part of 1998, the Gorillaz played their first show at the Camden Brownhouse. Although it ended prematurely due to a riot during the song "Punk", EMI A&R man Whiffy Smiffy, discharging several rounds from his shotgun to disperse the crowd, was able to make his way to the stage and quickly sign them to the label. Ten months later the Gorillaz had recorded their self-titled debut LP."

Did that "discharging several rounds from his shotgun to disperse the crowd" really happened? Also, the name Whiffy Smiffy sounds just a little strange to me. -- Onikas (talk) 15:52, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Gorillaz appearance in power puff girls movie?

Why isn't this in the article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.49.184.29 (talk) 03:47, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Band members

Gorillaz itself is of course notable, but do we really need detailed articles about the fictional individual members? JIP | Talk 19:56, 3 May 2008 (UTC)