Talk:Gorch Fock (1933)

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My sources say that the home port of the Tovarishch was Odessa when she sailed under Soviet flag, and Cherson when she sailed under Ukainian flag after 1991. Did she really change her home port, or is Cherson by any chance the port of Odessa? Or if not, was she maybe based at Cherson already in Soviet times? Lupo 12:48, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)

An old question, but not asked yet. No, Odessa and Kherson are different not-neighboring ports. To find out where the vessel was based, I need to know whom was it operated, or at least by what kind of organization? Navy? Civil maritime? Amateur sailing club maybe? Any clues?AlexPU 11:00, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

According to ESYS, at the bottom of that German page, the Tovarishch was operated in Kherson/Cherson (which transliteration is preferred?) by the "Seefahrtsschule" (Marine academy?) for "die Ausbildung und Reisen mit zahlenden Gästen aus aller Welt" (training and cruises with paying guests from all over the world). According to JanMaat (also in German), the ship was sold in 2003 by the Ukrainian Ministery of Education to a German Verein (voluntary association) that wanted to (and did) restore the ship. HTH Lupo 09:29, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

BTW, a nicer picture of the Sagres II or one of the Mircea would be nice, too. Lupo 14:13, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Focus

This article really needs to stick to the one ship - keeps it shorter, focussed, and it's the way our hundreds of other ship articles are done. Each of the sister ships should have its own article, and be linked to from here, but without replicating the detailed description. Stan 13:24, 23 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Stan, I agree, but just moving the short blurb away from here (these are not "detailed descriptions"!) and leaving headers without text behind isn't the way to go. Check out what I did with the USCG Eagle, and now also with the Gorch Fock (1958). These two are now nicely detailed stand-alone articles, but nevertheless I'd leave the short descriptions in here. The Sagres II is still in a pretty poor shape, but at least I have moved the two extlinks on her to this spin-off article. Lupo 13:40, 23 Jun 2004 (UTC)

It's much the same as what we do with countries: There's usually a "history of" section with a brief summary, and a separate "history of..." article linked from that section that covers the topic in more detail. Lupo 13:40, 23 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Besides, how about a [[Category:Sailing ships]]? Just "ships" is awfully generic... Lupo 13:40, 23 Jun 2004 (UTC)

I hadn't actually finished the moving process... I think the rule of thumb should be that when you're to the point of including pictures of other ships, that's too much detail; imagine USS Essex (CV-9) with pictures of her 10 sister carriers on it! Better to have multiple views of the one ship. Your "history of" analogy suggests that if you want all ships' pics/descriptions on a single place, you should have a "class article", a la Essex class aircraft carrier. And yes, I expect we'll want a Category:Sailing ships eventually, but have been waiting to see how big the top-level ships category will be; creating top down as needed helps prevent tiny little categories that don't get used. Stan 14:06, 23 Jun 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Mircea

I just wrote a stub on the Mircea (ship), mostly a translation from the German Wikipedia (really just as an excuse to put my nice photograph somewhere ... ). Only then did I notice that article linked to this one. I don't have the time now to figure this all out, but another afficionado might do something with this. DirkvdM 12:48, 20 August 2005 (UTC)