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[edit] Chariots of Fire (Movie)

Probably deserves mention of its appearance in the best-picture winning film Chariots of Fire. Chris Rodgers 08:57, 24 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Hi Chris. AFAIR, although the story is set in Caius, it wasn't actually filmed there... I'll take a look... imdb says[1]:
Caius College, Cambridge, refused permission to film in their court, and
persuaded other colleges to withhold filming rights also. Eton College
(Hudson's old school) stood in for Caius.
About six years after the film's release, Caius reenacted the court dash with
British Olympic athletes Ovett and Coe taking part. Nigel Havers agreed to
act as starter. At lunch after the event, the Dean confessed it had been a
great mistake not to cooperate with the making of the film.
but I don't think that can be 100% accurate because the head Fellow in Caius is the Master, not the Dean - and it would make more sense for the quote to come from him.
Anyway, I absolutely agree that some kind of mention for Chariots of Fire is in order. --257.47b.9½.-19 16:56, 24 Mar 2004 (UTC) PS and 'quad' isn't the correct term either.
Nah, nah, nah. The 'dash' is the Great Court Dash at Trinity. (Clearly entry isn't restricted to Trinitarians.) The rerun was definitely in Trin, as friends with rooms overlooking the court were at a premium: I didn't see it, but a friend with a boyfriend there did. Amusingly, a few weeks later, a Japanese TV crew which had mistaken the date pitched up and persuaded some random students to stage a 'run', but in Caius. There should be records of all this in the Cambridge Evening News, and of course, Varsity. Try ±1989. JackyR 01:01, 16 May 2006 (UTC) OK, Someone has corrected the IMDb. Jolly good. JackyR 01:05, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Trees in Tree Court

Regarding the issue of whether John Caius planted the trees (or some former trees in similar positions) in Tree Court:

Surely Tree Court - the buildings - was built way after John Caius died? I thought it was Victorian - or at least significantly more recent than Caius Court.

I guess he could have planted an avenue of trees which was later enclosed by buildings, but do we have any evidence of this? To me it sounds like urban legend (although I should say that I haven't seen any evidence either way).

Best, --257.47b.9½.-19 17:04, 24 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Well, I'm just going by what some Caians I know say, and by what's said on the Caius website, too...
The buildings look Regency or Georgian, to me, but yes, certainly they're not C16...
James F. (talk) 00:16, 25 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Caius added Tree Court to the college (1563-5) and may have planted the trees at this point. The Perse Building and Legge Building were constructed around Tree Court in 1618 and 1619 respectively. These were replaced by the current Waterhouse Building in 1868-70. (History of Gonville and Caius College, C.N.L. Brooke, 1985)

[edit] Edward Wilson

The link doesn't seem to go to an explorer. Is the name correct? Cjrother 21:34, 26 Mar 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Heraldry

I'm looking to make a nice GFDL image of the Caius heraldic shield. Anyone know the blazon or have a large clear image I can use as a reference? Lupin 07:51, 10 Jul 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Notable Alumni

Notable Alumni section looks messy at the moment, perhaps require sorting in alphabetical order by surname? Maybe sorting them by year and time at Caius?

Also, more notable alumni of Caius:

Pls add 'em to Category:Fellows of Gonville and Caius College, Cambridge (ie paste that cat on the bottom of each). Ta, JackyR 01:02, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] POV and accuracy issue

I am disputing the neutrality and accuracy of this following text. It is been suggest to me that the truth of these statements is "widely known" - this a problematic "weasel words" claim as the text is without external references. Please see WP:AWW:

The text-The College "maintains globally-recognized distinction in nearly every academic discipline, but is particularly known for its top global programs in economics, history, literature, medicine and science".

My problems with this:

  • Cambridge University could probably make a reasonable claim to have "globally recognized distinction in nearly every academic discipline". Is it being asserted here that Gonville & Caius college is itself globally recognized as distinguished in this very broad way, or it this claim simply piggybacking on the University's reputation? If it is the former, references need to be provided. If the latter, then make the claim about the University not the college. No other Cambridge college article makes such broad and high claims as this.
  • It has been suggested to me that the "top global programs" refer to the tutoring/supervisions the college offers students. But no other Cambridge college article claims that college student supervision are "top global programs". References need to be provided for such a major claim. In any case, colleges arrange and pay for supervisions, but the expertise and talents of supervisors and academics are fundamentally associated with the university department. It may be that amongst Cambridge students that Caius has something of a reputation for particular subjects - but this still needs to be proved with external references. Bwithh 02:04, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
This criticism is absolutely correct. Cambridge colleges do not provide their own "programs" - tuition in subjects is provided by the various faculties of the University, whilst individual supervision is conducted by a variety of specialists who are often not fellows at a student's college. At least in theory there should be no difference in the educational experience from college to college, although in practice that is not always the case.
  • The sentence has now been modified by someone else to this: "it is globally-recognized for the quality of many of its academic programs". I appreciate the attempt at toning down - but this still retains the core sense of "globally", "many" and "programs" with lack of references - this is still beyond what other college articles claim. Bwithh 20:57, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
Well that's now been changed to something more reasonable. I think there's still a whiff of snobbery ("Caius also very selectively admits academically-accomplished American and other foreign students for its various programmes...although these programmes are not to the Tripos standard.") but I guess that's to be expected of Caius... (Anonymous User)
So change it then. This article isn't owned by Caius. Gsd2000 22:20, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] OXFORD NATIONAL DICTIONARY OF BIOGRAPHY: ENTRY FOR FRANCIS CRICK

It can be found on: [[2]]

Robert Olby, ‘Crick, Francis Harry Compton (1916–2004)’, Oxford Dictionary of National Biography, online edn, Oxford University Press, Jan 2008 accessed 1 Jan 1988


Professor Robert Olby has now completed the full length scientific biography for CSHL Press.

91.108.6.32 (talk) 14:38, 5 April 2008 (UTC)