Talk:Gomez Mill House

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The opening paragraph of this article borrows HEAVILY from the first reference, verging on plagiarism (I'd consider it to be such). That said, calling it the oldest surviving Jewish residence in north america seems pretty unverifiable, and unworthy of inclusion in an encyclopedia. Making this a feature article is something I don't really understand.[oops, it's not :)] Dwringer (talk) 23:39, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Can you show me where the exact wording was used? There is a lot of basic information to get across in the lede graf, and in order to make sure the article doesn't make any greater claims than the source documents do it is necessary to pretty much adopt the same wording.

We are not the ones making the claim; the Gomez Foundation is, and as long as such a claim is properly sourced, phrased and attributed it is indeed encyclopedic. We reflect the world, we don't create it, and applying our policies to acceptable sources re inclusion of information in those sources is ridiculous (cf. this AfD). If the Bible claims God exists, we don't ask what the Bible's source was before we write "according to the Bible, an omnipotent entity called God created the universe." We just write that. Daniel Case (talk) 17:26, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

I understand where you're coming from about the claim being reproduced from the agency's website, and that's why I didn't take it upon myself to actually change anything in the article. I know that the article discussion pages are where you're supposed to go when discussing proposed changes to an article, and that's all I was doing - I didn't even look at WHO had written the thing, as that was completely irrelevant. As for specific places where the text of the article is exactly borrowed from the original website, I noted that the last sentence of the first paragraph from the reference was duplicated, though you've changed that now. The second to the last sentence was also identical except that the two clauses were reversed. Wording was the same. Dwringer (talk) 18:27, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Libertarian School or Liberation School?

Sources are divided, self-contradicting, and thinly available as to whether Martha Gruening's school was "Libertarian" or "Liberation". She appears to have been a sufferagist and social activist. Perhaps someone with access to authoritative off-line information could tend this fertile field. An article on Gruening (and a link to it in the Gomez Mill House article) would seem appropriate. Snezzy (talk) 02:52, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Now this is the sort of constructive editing contribution I'd appreciate. By all means go it and clear this up. I just took what the foundation writes on their website. Daniel Case (talk) 17:26, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm not in a position to do anything, as I live on a farm far from any substantial academic or public library. Google revealed nothing more than what we have already. I would imagine that someone in NYC with time to spare (and access to Columbia or whatever) could turn the subject into several additional Wikipedia articles and a PhD thesis as well.

(I'm not recommending, though, the opposite approach of using Wikipedia as a reference for PhD theses. I recently edited a thesis for a PhD candidate in Farofflandia, and discovered not only that it used Wikipedia references, but that large portions of it were taken wholesale and unattributed from Wikipedia! You and I do the writing and editing, and he gets the PhD. Feh!) Snezzy (talk) 02:28, 22 December 2007 (UTC)