User talk:Goldenrowley

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[edit] Great work

		The Original Barnstar
		Very, very good job on stub sorting, this award is a token of your hard and very much needed work. Cheers!__Seadog ♪ 13:53, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! Even though I don't use userboxes :P I would love to part of the project. I have a great love for mythology of all kinds...as it is very interesting. If you need my help or want me to do something please let me know. Cheers!__Seadog ^♪ 23:20, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks :)

Hey, thanks for the Barnstar for Mythology! I haven't been working on it much lately (end of semester craziness) but hope to get back to it soon. It's a long-standing interest of mine and I've learned SO MUCH from working on the hotlist topics. --Bookgrrl 17:24, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Triple deities

What was it that you wanted sourced? The article is really just a pointer to articles on more specific topics that (I hope) source their details. I don't think the article is providing any "facts" that need to be sourced (I guess it could source that triple deities even exist in myth at all, but that seems kind of pointless given that each of the articles it refers to will/should already provide such sourcing. It's just a list, really. Maybe it should even be renamed to List of triple deities]]. Maybe you can tell me what you're after, and I'll see what I can dig up. — SMcCandlish [talk] [contrib] ツ 13:46, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Hi, in answer to your question, I think this article has a lot of potential to be popular (and highly used) under the categoory of religion and mythological archetypes and could be expanded. Where did the trinity/triune definitions come from? That could be the source for the introduction. What souce said this is a "mythological archetype" (if any)? This is to enhance and validate the article. Thank you! Goldenrowley 02:13, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ojibwe and Algonkin

I noticed you removed the merge tags on Michabo and Algonquin mythology. These articles are part of a larger discussion we're having at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Indigenous peoples of North America/Anishinaabe. I'm of an opinion that the word Algonquian is really only useful in linguistics, but it is often confused with Algonquin, which is a specific tribe that lives in Quebec and is part of the larger group of Anishinaabe peoples along with the Ojibwe(Chippewa). I wouldn't support an article on Algonquian mythology as the differences between Cree and Powhatan, Blackfoot and Abenaki are too vast. However, Chippewa mythology and Algonquin mythology could conceivably come under the umbrella of Anishinaabe mythology. I invite you to comment at this talk page. Leo1410 04:37, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for letting me know. I have just paused on making the Algonquin mythology stub and responded to your team on their talk page. One mythology article per ethnic group works very well in California, while I am not that familiar with Canadian First Nations. Goldenrowley 05:09, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject mythology

Don't know how/why I didn't get my name onto Wikipedia:WikiProject_Mythology when you invited me on my talk page a few months back, but now I'm there. Belated thanks, and looking forward to continuing to spread mythinformation ;) --Bookgrrl 00:03, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Beowulf

Dear Goldenrowley, I disagree with you labelling Beowulf mythological. The other characters surrounding him are held to be semi-legendary or semi-historical. If you call him "legendary" I would not oppose it.--Berig 09:40, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

About category selection: I don't understand why he can't be both a legendary king and mythological king at the same time? I think he is also a mythological king of the dark ages as he went beyond legend of an ordinary man to become the allegory of 'kingship' who faught with monsters and dragons. I just read a chapter on Beowulf in the book "Storytelling & Mythmaking: Images from Film & Literature" by Frank McConnell: McConnell who gives Beowulf as the example of the epic King and mythological king because of the allegorical performed to the people making the world safe from chaos. I put this on the talk page for people to discuss. Goldenrowley 19:25, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Sure, if you insist on categorizing him as mythological, you can do that. I am not impossible. My reasons for objecting to it is the fact that Scandinavian kings from the 6th century and onwards enter the realm of semi-historicity. Hygelac is widely accepted as based on a historic figure, and the contemporary Swedish king Ohthere is often called the "first historic king of Sweden". You can find older scholarship where Beowulf is held to have been a historic figure as well. Moreover, AFAIK, legend is distinguished from myth due to the fact that legend takes place in real world settings, and was at the time it was composed held to be almost historical if not outright historical, like Beowulf.--Berig 19:34, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Ok I am not impossible either so I like to give it time for thought before doing more. Historical people and events can become mythological, see King Arthur. On kings, there are going to be grey areas between legend and myth. Goldenrowley 19:50, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism

Looks like you've become popular enough to have your user page vandalized... I reverted it for you. WHeimbigner 21:33, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] List of Libyan children in HIV trial in Libya

Out of courtesy, I'm advising you that your Speedy Delete and my Hangon were deleted from List of Libyan children in HIV trial in Libya. Simesa 23:03, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ceramics stub

Hi. A very new user, Theriac, has interpreted the connection of the Ceramics-stub to Ceramics (art) in a very literal way, and is gleefully removing it from all articles relating to factory-produced ceramics, on the basis apparently that ceramics of artistic merit cannot be produced in factories (up to and including Chelsea and Sevres...). Before going any further with it I wanted to check with you what your intention was when you proposed the original stub - I presume, from the articles on which you have placed it, that it was wider than that, and was intended to refer to a broader range of china, but I'd be very interested to know which articles it was meant to cover? Thanks, HeartofaDog 02:38, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi HeartofaDog, I highly appreciate your asking for help to the original "ceramics stub" author, what an honor...! On the Ceramics the stub the parent category is decorative arts not regulated just to FINE ART. Ceramics and pottery can be both ornamental and functional. I believe factories can produce decorative art, Wedgwood comes to mind, Pottery as a subset of Ceramics can be factory made. I would have you put back some of the stubs if they are currently unstubbed ?Goldenrowley 03:42, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

No problem - I am always cautious with stubs. I agree entirely with what you say about this one. The problem arose because the definition on the stub page links only to a rather poor article on Ceramics (art), which looks as if it was thrown together without much thought to make a distinction from industrial ceramics. Yes, I'm happy to put them back - better still if the remover ca\n be persuaded to do it!HeartofaDog 00:16, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

No need - I've already reverted the affected ones. Also, although the user name is new, this is in fact NOT a new user, but someone with a track record under their IP address.

The article Ceramics (art) is truly awful as it stands, and needs a re-write to cover all non-industrial ceramics applications. The definition page for "ceramics-stub" also needs a good overhaul, as the present misunderstanding is a very natural one given how it presently reads. Happy to give a hand if you would find it useful? HeartofaDog 01:17, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Sure, I could use a helping hand, if you know how to fix the article "ceramics (art)" or create a broader article...and want to do it! I did not plan to do it myself, I am more of a painter but sorted all the art stubs last fall into basic categories and check them once in a while. I just added "pottery" to the top of the stub category which should help immensely to clarify. THANK you again!! Goldenrowley 01:33, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

I saw your change to the stub category - as you say, it should help. As for the article, no problems - I'll have a go at it, on the basis that whatever I do to it can only be an improvement on what was there already. I've re-written it as a stub for now, to indicate the lines I think it might take - please take a look and do jump in if you think it's going off course.HeartofaDog 02:03, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Hello GoldenRowley, I have just found your page by tracking back through the discussion on the ceramics stub. I think discussions are best held on that page but I could you explain you comment above. You say "Also, although the user name is new, this is in fact NOT a new user, but someone with a track record under their IP address." What does this mean? Until last week have read Wikipedia but never written for it. ThanxTheriac 13:56, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Hello Theraic, I did not start talking about your IP address I have no idea how people do that and did think it is NOT necessary anyway your obviously have a good point of view. I think you must have mixed up my words with those of HeartofDog? Goldenrowley 18:37, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Also, Theriac, it's important to note that sometimes, more than one person may share an IP; for example, computers in libraries, schools, internet cafes, and some households and workplaces are shared and edits made from two or more different people on those would share an IP; so too might edits made from different computers on the same connection (I've noticed, at any rate, that my IP address changes on my laptop based on whether or not I'm using a dialup connection or a free wireless connection like on campus. I'd imagine that the IP there would be at least close to the ones of any other person using that same wireless network). Runa27 15:41, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Kerlin Gallery

I don't like to be pedantic, but Dublin isn't in Scotland...[1] It is in Ireland. Tyrenius 08:49, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for point out the right country, I was mistaken. Thank you. Goldenrowley 08:57, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Easily done! You might want to check out the cats again, as I reverted to the original ones. Tyrenius 09:02, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hi :)

The holidays took a bigger toll on me than I expected. I will be editing next week again. Right now I am staying low. I logged in to check for message, like yours. :-) I should also let you know that I am writing history article for a new local magazine. This was part of my plan. So, I expect it will be published in Feb. or March. It's a new magazine, only 2 issues so far, and is free. In any case, the working title is High time before 1849. It's a collection of items I found interesting, but haven't had a format to write to. I just hope this magazine works out. --meatclerk 05:00, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Eagle-small.jpg listed for deletion

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[edit] Image:Bison-small.jpg listed for deletion

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[edit] French folklore

Have you looked at List of fairy tales for French ones? Goldfritha 03:53, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

No I did not know about that really nice resource... thank you Goldfritha!Goldenrowley 03:56, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Overstubbed... Hmm

Hey, I appreciate your concern about the number of stub categories in the Gyorgy Kepes article I created, but actually I wonder if removing the stubs is really necessary. After all, the fact that I included one or more of those stubs was what brought the article to your attention, right? -- surely it's helpful to acknowledge that articles fall into many categories, and that people do check the stub list for areas in which they have an interest, and to which they might be able to contribute. I realize that it might look a bit ridiculous to have a stub in five categories, but this is (I would argue) an implementation issue, rather than something that's semantically unacceptable. I don't mind, but I get a feeling that you may have a "firefighting" attitude here towards dealing with the overwhelming number of stubs that get created in your particular field, which I think is counterproductive in this case, and maybe even a questionable approach in general.

But I mean this in a friendly way! I hope you can see where I'm coming from, and I'm quite a new user so do let me know if there's a policy somewhere about this issue. So I can discuss it. Theoh 21:34, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

I could not think of a better way to type it but all I mean by over stubbed is there is a hierarchy, if an item falls in a subcategory for example of Ireland you do not not stub it both as an Ireland topic and an "Ireland structure" topic at the same time. The more specific category is listed in the larger categories... that's all I mean, and I wish you very well in your work here. Goldenrowley 23:34, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi again, I took specific look at your article "György Kepes" you refer to see what I was thinking on that item in particular and think it is a bio article about an artist. the artist stubs are the correct stub when it is an artist, not "art history". I removed the "art history stub" because that section does no cover all the artists in history, rather it covers periods of art. Design I think is for designed things, not for designers... isn't it? I sometimes make mistakes butin this case I think we've got it categorized correctly with 3 stubs. Goldenrowley 06:32, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Lady Isabel and the Elf Knight redirect

The redirect you created The Outlandish Knight that points to Lady Isabel and the Elf Knight is up for deletion because it is not understood how these are related (The Outlandish Knight appears to also be a 1999 book by Richard Adams). Would you please comment at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2007 January 23 how they are linked and expand Lady Isabel and the Elf Knight to include this link as well? Thanks! Cburnett 22:26, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks cburnett I've expanded substantially and added two sources. The full ballad and variations are all online at the source mentioned. Goldenrowley 03:04, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Printmaker categories

Please try to remember to add these where applicable; for example this [2] was a very short stub but had plenty of references to his printmaking.

Since you seem to do most of the category work on art & printmaking, I'll ask if you know if there is a grand plan for printmaking categories? I find them pretty confusing at the moment. Some obvious parts of the scheme are missing - eg no German etchers category. As you no doubt know, dividing by technique is not really a good way to go, as very many printmaking artists use several (quite often in the same work). By nationality is slightly better (although it creates problems like Belgium), but personally I think the ideal would be to divide by period, and then by nationality. The periods would be:

• Early (C15)
• Renaissance
• Baroque
• C18 (or C18 and romantic)
• C19
• C20 (or Modernist to say 1960)
• contemporary

- obviously a few people might have to go into two groups, but overall it would make much more sense.

It doesn't help that the EB 1911 uses what was even then the outdated (now definitely incorrect) "wood-engraving" for "woodcut" , and also often calls etchings engravings, just out of sheer carelessness I expect. Johnbod 00:54, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi Johnbod I appreciate the confidence in me to talk about printmaking, an art-form and skill I admire although I am not an expert just an art lover in this category. We all share in Wikpidia equally so your opinion is just as valid as mine what to do with printmaking categories. I like the division by style.period the best. I'd Look at art movements to see what the styles are called in C15, C18, C19 perhaps. Goldenrowley 04:00, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

ok, thanks. I'll refine the proposal & post it at the visual arts talk page & printmaking one. Johnbod 02:13, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] CHICOTW GAonhold

TonyTheTiger 23:22, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Category:Manuscript stubs

Can I ask that in future, when, or ideally before, you make any proposals on categories falling under the Visual arts project you advertise the proposal at the talk page there, and other relevant pages also? Really you should put it up for discussion there first. The stub-sorting project is hardly a place where you are going to get a wide or informed debate on the issues.

I must say I can't see the point of this category at all. Of course most articles on individual manuscripts are fairly short, and are likely to stay so for a very long time. Many important manuscripts are only of importance for a few illustrated pages - sometimes just one. The assertion in the debate (if it can be called that) that many of these have literary importance seems extremely dubious to me - the great majority of illuminated manuscripts contain standard religious texts (or sometimes standard secular ones), and most of the rest of the category seems to me to consist of Biblical texts or legal documents.

You obviously put a lot of time into stub-shuffling and marking, but I'm afraid I can't see the usefullness of much of it. At the moment the stub project seems to be in a little bubble of its own. Johnbod 20:16, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

The art and literature stubs were rather full of stubs to sort between and illuminated manuscripts were placed in art history, but that did not seem quite right. Now they have a perm category under literature: manuscripts. Goldenrowley 20:32, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Art history is exactly right for the vast majority of illuminated manuscripts, and literature wrong, for the reasons I just explained - how many illuminated manuscripts have literary significance? I am minded to propose this category for deletion, unless you can come up with a useful justification for its existence. Johnbod 20:37, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Well, I am sorry I did not know you or anyone of the Wikiproject Art group would want to review art stubs in advance, and now want an explanation, and you would express such lack of interest in having a manuscript-stub category. But please do not go petitioning to delete my new stub. I am not finished yet maybe you'll see the usefulness when I have finished identifying more manuscripts. The manuscripts are still under art history stubs, go to art history stubs, then notice how easy it is to find all the manuscripts because they are all in one place categoruized as manuscripts, under art history. Honestly, like paintings, They are works of art, not really about art history. I am interested in this genre enough to group them as a set. AND The art stubbing area was and still is very large and broad category. Inventing subcategories stubs help people find what they are looking for easily and quickly under art. Lastly, if you are an active art project member, I may suggest the art project should send people into stub sorting to watch proposals on a regular basis, 3 art proposals passed this week (only 1 was mine, and on the others I voiced my thoughts loudly, since I am on both projects)Goldenrowley 01:32, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Ok, I think I am over-reacting, and I misunderstood that that you not changing the category structure as such, just reflecting the existing one. So I won't apply for deletion - but I still can't see much utility in the category. All the illuminated manuscripts were already in that category, and most of them are stubs. People interested in illuminated manuscripts are generally not the same as those interested in other types of manuscript (except in the case of musical ones, which have their own category already). Art history is the right parent for them, as that is where other historical periods and types of art are put. Johnbod 03:48, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Yes I expect you will find only a few that aren't stubs; but remember in many cases only a few pages are really of interest - even a short article may be more than encyclopedic, so I think you should tend not to stub them if in doubt - I don't have a problem with the stub/not-stub of any I have seen so far. Johnbod 03:57, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Okay I am reasonable person what I think is missing is the "art" manuscripts were going to get jumbled in with all sorts of manuscripts over time. I just proposed the following at proposals (*that we do one just for illuminated manuscripts*) When stubs are proposed, the meeting is open for 5 days and you and the art team are all welcome to come: [[3] ] Goldenrowley 05:15, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ceramic (art) & ethical pottery

Hi Goldenrowlely, I just wanted to say that I think both articles are progressing well. Nice work! ThanxTheriac 12:31, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Aztec codices

Are you sure the Aztec codices really count as illuminated manuscripts? --Ptcamn 07:08, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Yes... I think that Aztec Codex are illuminated manuscripts PROVIDED they are illustrated. The Wikipedia definition is: "An illuminated manuscript is a manuscript in which the text is supplemented by the addition of decoration or illustration, such as decorated initials, borders and miniatures. In the strictest definition of the term, an illuminated manuscript only refers to manuscripts decorated with gold or silver. However, in both common usage and modern scholarship, the term is now used to refer to any decorated manuscript."Goldenrowley 16:16, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Folio 10r of the Codex Mendoza.

The thing is, all Aztec codices are illustrated. The pictures are their primary means of written communication — they didn't have alphabetic writing until the Spanish came. Rather than "text supplemented by the addition of decoration", it's pictograms supplemented by textual captions and explanations. I think illuminated manuscripts as discussed in the article is referring to a particular European tradition of manuscript decoration. --Ptcamn 01:26, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Invitation

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[edit] Manuscript names

I think it it is best to follow the practice of most articles (all except yours perhaps) in the category, & not use just the catalogue/shelf ref as the title of the article. Either the name of the Library or some descriptive phrase should also be included. Also in some, you don't actually say which Library they are in. Cheers Johnbod 15:37, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

PS I'm also a bit dubious about using a German plural form and an umlaut in Category:Fechtbücher. Normally you can add redirects for -buecher & -bucher, but not with a category. Is there no English term? Johnbod 15:43, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

I am sorry I did not understand your comment to me, maybe it is meant for someone else, since I never wrote a single manuscript article...so I won't know what libraries they come from or anything.Goldenrowley 16:05, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

So sorry - this is not you at all (dbachmann mostly). Apologies - my carelessness! Cheers Johnbod 16:11, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

NO problem. Goldenrowley 16:12, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] China-road-stub

Just to notify that I have responded to your comment [4]. :-) — Instantnood 11:55, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Myth academia

I've noticed you've done a lot of work on mythology. Would you please read [5] and tell me what you think? Thanks --Ephilei 01:33, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

I applaud you. It is on the Myth project "to do" list to elevate myth articles from being fun/curious to sacred and symbolic. It takes pateince and work. The main mythology page has many definitions formyth some in the sacred category. All you need are references. References help to keep things from being deleted and protected. Goldenrowley 04:50, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Category error corrected

In The Lighthouse in Economics you had added Category:Lighthouses. This seemed to be an error. I removed the category. Jerry 16:51, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

But don't we file lighthouses under the category of lighthouses? Oh well I'll let this one go.Goldenrowley 17:48, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Architecture stubs

I'm a bit concerned about edits such as this. Architecture, as a fine art is distinct from construction. It is useful to maintain architecture tags on architecturally important articles for this reason - I'd have no problem with both tags being added, or even a Template:Russia-arch-stub being created - but now those articles will have architecture lumped together with Arkansas cell phone mast IV and others..... Would you mind restoring the tags or doing something that satisfies these concerns? Many thanks. --Mcginnly | Natter 12:01, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

PS the arch-style-stub is a good idea - perhaps a mention at WP:WPARCH might be a good idea? --Mcginnly | Natter 12:04, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Just following existing guidelines already existing: "buildings and structures" are filed with "building and structures" >often by country. Please refer to this Wikiproject architecture page which goes over the guidelines: [lasthttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Architecture/Stub_categories WIkiproject Architecture stubs]. Or go to the main stub table of contents page. These categories are formed and agreed upon by consensus. Goldenrowley 15:33, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Please use valid examples, there is not such Arkansas cell phone mast IV article when I checked, and Arkansas things would not lumpled in with Russian buildings. Goldenrowley 15:36, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

I was using an extreme example to make a point - Rugby transmitting station is not architecture - it is construction, so gets filed under buildings and structures in England (Or warwickshire, wherever it is). The Imperial War Museum North however is both construction and architecture - it has some art about it so gets filed under deconstructivism and daniel libeskind categories that are all subcats of architecture. It clearly is no longer a stub - but its useful to the project to be able to distinguish between construction and architecture. There's no guideline that suggests replacing one with the other - where have you read that - the stub category page simply lists possible appropriate stubs because the architecture wikiproject serves as an umbrella project for civil and structural engineering - as well as architectre - Please don't be defensive, it's no problem - but can we restore the arch-stub tags - if you want to have both arch-stub and struc-stubs, then thats fine. --Mcginnly | Natter 17:13, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

I spent some time researching your request. Yes I have been sorting architectural stubs this week (as there are many errors in those stubs). If an article says a building has artistic metic I will leave the stub on for now, simply as I do not want to take a stand its not my "project". I think the "architecture" category treee is rather circular, it has "buildings" next to "architecture" on one tree and below "architecture" on another. In any case it claims all buildings, everywhere in the world, are architecture. It lumps buildings already. The link I meant to show you is [WikiProject Architecture stub categories]. Goldenrowley 02:13, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

The category stucture is circular, but that's fine - please read WP:CAT#Categories_do_not_form_a_tree, this is because the structure reflects the idea that a building can be both construction and architecture at the same time. The best analogy I can offer is perhaps the difference between literature and the telephone book - both contain writing but one is simply utilitarian. Defining architecture as 'not utilitarian' can be confusing as well however, because it is one of the few fine arts that also has a practical purpose. Returning to your edit of Gosprom (which clearly is architecture btw) it makes no mention of being artistic and so, by your reasoning, won't get the architecture stub tag and will be lumped in with Druzhba pipeline. Whereas, before your edits, people could identify the architecture stubs from the 'other' stubs, now they can't - this hasn't been a change for the better. So, please, for the third time of asking, please revert your edits that removed architecture stubs. Thanks. --Mcginnly | Natter 14:53, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

ok when I get time off, I will work on this request. I am at work right now so just acknowledging. Goldenrowley 15:10, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks G, much obliged. --Mcginnly | Natter 15:32, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

(unindent) Thanks for putting the arch-stub on Gavi Gangadhareshwara Temple. We are doing a series of articles on Indian architecture and want to avoid POV wars. Sincerely, Mattisse 23:29, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Welcome

Hi, Goldenrowley, and welcome to WikiProject San Francisco Bay Area! We are a growing community of Wikipedia editors dedicated to identifying, categorizing, and improving articles relevant to the Bay Area. Here are some points that may be helpful: Our main aim is to help improve Bay Area-related articles, so if people ask for help with an article, please try your hardest to help them if you are able. Most important discussions take place on the project's main discussion page. It is highly recommended that you watchlist it. The project has several ongoing and developing activities, such as article quality assessment, which you are welcome to participate. Our system for improving lower-quality articles is Jumpaclass. If you'll be editing stub, start, or B-class articles, consider using Jumpaclass to track your progress. If you have another language besides English, please consider adding yourself to our translation section, to help us improve our foreign Bay Area topics. If you have any questions, feel free to ask on the talk page, and we will be happy to help you. Again, welcome! We hope you enjoy working on this project.

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[edit] Criminology-stub

Dear Goldenrowley, Thanks for the criminology-stub comments. I think the parent category should stay as it is, criminology is definitely fit to an umbrella term for many categories, still, it's better to seperate forensic science and medicine from the criminology category. Of course, criminology stub could be used as a secondary stub for those articles, including articles deals with forensic psychiatry and psychology, even criminal law, though criminology often acknowledges the descipline is the non-legal aspects of crime. Still, there are many divisions of arts and science criminology tag perfectly fits into, like victimology, correctional administration, police science, penology, law enforcement, criminological psychology, research on crime etc. Thanks for the supporting views.--Cyril Thomas 02:41, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Okay with me. Goldenrowley 00:37, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Did you know?

On 12 April 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Camillo Ynitia, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--GeeJo ^(t)⁄_(c) • 19:55, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Thank you that is very, very nice of you !! Goldenrowley 20:26, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Spectrum analysis

Hi, do you think that spectrum analysis, as a physical concept, is part of the Electromagnetic spectrum or Optical spectrum? If so, why? tpikonen 22:58, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Hi Tpikonen. I do not profess to be a physicist but This was the physicist type study of matter before they could weigh atoms. I think it falls within the categories of both. I Looked at your page of interests and I think it is something like the scattering theory where material can be studied by its waves. Look at the title of Dr Alter's paper "the properties of the combustion of metals" and his conclusion "study of gases of stars, that would be a study of electromagnetic spectrum, no? It would emit a prism of colors so it is in the optical spectrum but the larger field of waves are electromagnetic. I understand electromagnetics are energy waves and to the human eye some

are colors and some are outside our vision. Goldenrowley 01:12, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Maybe I should add it to scattering theories "Scattering, absorption and radiative transfer (optics)" what do you think? Goldenrowley 01:31, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

My point was that these categories (EM and optical spectrum) contain articles about the different wavelength regions of the spectrum, not about the methods of studying them or using the spectra for obtaining information on materials, atoms etc. I think the article should anyway be merged to emission spectroscopy, which is a more descriptive and modern name for the technique. The material in spectrum analysis at the moment would make a good "History" section to emission spectroscopy. These techniques have nothing to do with scattering though, I think the categorization to "spectroscopy" suffices. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tpikonen (talk • contribs) 10:07, 18 April 2007 (UTC).

Of course I defer to the source materials at the bottom of the article, but would like to keep more than one categoy for wider applicability to more than one field of study, and readership and applicataion. It is the study of spectrums after all so should remain in the spectrum categoriesGoldenrowley 15:55, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Let me repeat: Please take a look at the categories in question. There is not a single article in either Electromagnetic spectrum or Optical spectrum which does not refer to a specific wavelength region, except the article in question. This is because methods dealing with spectra in a more general sense are not wavelength regions, but instead they are called spectroscopies. Also, Optical spectrum happens to be a subcategory of Electromagnetic spectrum so having both makes absolutety no sense. tpikonen 17:53, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

OK you seem to know what you are talking about. I would not however not merge with the article emission spectroscopy until published sources and scientist names are given for emission spectroscopy (do you have some?) saying one led to the other my docs said it laid to Quantum Mechanics. If you want to add sources, or give me sources to read and compare I am reasonable. Goldenrowley 18:59, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

As the source in the spectrum analysis article (Retcofsky2003) states, quantitative analysis of light emission from hot gases is usually (maybe somewhat erroneously, as claimed in the reference) credited to Kirchhoff and Bunsen. The phenomenon was discovered by Ångström, after whom the unit for wavelength of light is named. Spectrum analysis thus really refers to analysis of emission of light from elements, which is currently known as emission spectroscopy. I would really appreciate if you could merge & redirect spectrum analysis there, since the spectroscopy articles in wikipedia at the moment are a horrible duplicated mess. Anyway, I'll remove the categories shortly, and maybe contribute to the articles as well, if I find time. tpikonen 21:32, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Notes to myself for later:

• proposed by TPikonen: Spectrochemical Analysis merge to emission spectroscopy: similar but chemical component, intended applications and premises of the scientists would need researching Goldenrowley 16:04, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Les Dames Blanches

I'm not entirely sure if it should be singular or plural. Typically the convention is to do singular wherever possible, see Wikipedia:Naming conventions (plurals). The french article (which I linked in, you might want to check it out if you speak french... there's quite a bit of info, but none of it is sourced) also has a singular title. Calliopejen1 02:44, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

it's at http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dame_blanche_%28l%C3%A9gende%29, or you can click in the link in the lefthand sidebar of les dames blanches. Calliopejen1 16:47, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] AfD nomination of New technology in indonesia

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Thanks autobot. KNow you aren;t human but it was to merge with a duplicate article. Goldenrowley 18:54, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Witte Wieven

Great work on Witte Wieven! I have been working on the articles Norns and Dísir and I had no idea of how closely related the Dutch and the Scandinavian beliefs were (although, I should have anticipated it, both being Germanic).--Berig 15:35, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Berig. I am glad they're coming together. Goldenrowley 03:53, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Elves

I saw in retrospect that you have done some work on Light elves and Álfar, which I had redirected. I hope you don't mind my making them into redirects. Álfar is simply the Old Norse word for elves so it is already covered more fully in the Norse mythology section of Elf, and "light elves" only appear in Snorri Sturluson's work so there is virtually nothing to expand with unless there is some treatment of it in the fantasy genre. Best,--Berig 21:00, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

I kind of disagree with this one. [6] I put about 2-3 hour of research I put into getting all these references together, not covered on the "main elf" page. The elf page is very broad I think we need to have an Eddic elf section, especially as "light elf" is the Proto-elf of all elves and parellel to dark elf (so people can toggle back and forth between light elf and dark elf). Goldenrowley 00:50, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

IIRC, only Snorri Sturluson makes a distinction beteen light elves and dark elves and some have suggested that he was inspired by the Christian distinction between angels and demons. If you think that the article is needed, I will not object, though.--Berig 05:05, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Hi Berig. I can see your concerns of duplication, and tried to expand. I put a link to "elf" as the "main" article. The elf race splitting between light and dark, and possible angel-ness is quite notable in Snorri mythology. I like the idea of people being able to look up light elf (and get only the things about light elves, not every thing else).Goldenrowley 05:53, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

That is a good reason to keep it in my book.--Berig 11:58, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Alcis (gods)

Hi Goldenrowley, I see that you continue your good and interesting work on Continental Germanic myths :). I only thought that you might be interested in the Haddingjar who have been connected with the Alcis (gods).--Berig 09:51, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your kind words. I made an article named Odin's Hunt and then I discovered that there was a similar version of the wild hunt in the Netherlands. Perhaps, it is something that could be used to expand the article.--Berig 10:57, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

No problem. On the new article, were you aware of this existing article Wild Hunt? Goldenrowley 16:23, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I was, but I didn't want to spoil the generic European approach of the article with a large section on Scandinavian folklore. If you think they should be merged, I can do that.--Berig 17:31, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Ok I beleive in a separate Skandavian folklore article, just as I beleive in the separate elf articles for each culture, just making sure you knew it was there for you. Thanks I look forward to it. Goldenrowley 19:40, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

On second thought, the information may be more fit as a subsection of Wild Hunt. I will merge it into the Wild Hunt article.--Berig 20:29, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Troilus

Thanks for classifying the article and for correcting some of the typos and the other improvements. I've spotted a couple more typos myself. Apart form correcting those, do you have any suggestions on what to do to boost the article up another grade. Regards --Peter cohen 11:08, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

I'd make the pictures bigger and add at least 1 table or diagram (per what makes an A article). You can compare it to some of the myth A articles, to see if you covered the main topics of mythology. If and when you feel its finished, submit for a "good article review" to go higher than B. Goldenrowley 18:13, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Redundant cleanup category

You recently created a new cleanup category and added several articles to it. Unfortunately, this new category seems to be redundant with an existing one (Mathematics instead of Math) that already contains many more articles. Could you instead replace the {{expert-subject|Math}} tags you added with {{expert-subject|Mathematics}} so as to merge the contents? Then we can delete the new category or redirect it to the old one. JCarlos 20:35, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Ok. I simply did not notice "Mathematics" under science. I put a copy of Mathematics in the main table of contents. The "Math" is emptied if you want to delete it. Goldenrowley 02:44, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. Good idea, recategorizing it. The organization of those categories is a bit arbitrary at the moment. JCarlos 03:30, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

That's okay. When I began to "organize" the scheme this weekend, hopefully have helped just a little. Goldenrowley 23:00, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you!

Thanks for taking a look at those articles I mentioned. I appreciate it. Also, I like your "info box" idea. You'll need to work out the delicate matter of an "official" scholarly definition of "myth", since there seems to be little consensus among scholars on this point. However, I think this info box is exactly the sort of thing we need to help (partially) quell religion-vs-mythology arguments.

By the way, might you be able to get your hands on a book called Sacred Narrative by Alan Dundes? It contains a number of articles that discuss the issue of defining myth. (For instance, see an article called "The Forms of Folklore" by William Bascom.) I remember seeing the book before, but I don't own currently own it, and it isn't available at my local library. If you find it, it might help you with the info box. --Phatius McBluff 06:31, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Never mind. I was able to find the key quotation from Bascom's article online (here): "tales believed as true, usually sacred, set in the distant past or other worlds or parts of the world, and with extra-human, inhuman, or heroic characters". As far as I know, this is the "official" folklorists' definition of "myth". This definition may be slightly too restrictive for our purposes. I suggest defining myth simply as "traditional story" in the info box, citing Princeton's Wordnet entry for "myth" (here), and then mentioning (perhaps in parentheses) Bascom's more restrictive "official" definition. --Phatius McBluff 06:58, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Info box slogan

Here's what I came up with for the slogan (I also posted it on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mythology):

That last, perhaps too obviously disclaimer-ish sentence could be removed from the version of the info box that's being put on articles that don't discuss "living" religions; it could be added to the info boxes for articles that discuss "living" religions. For instance, the box for the Mythology article would look like this:

Meanwhile, the box for the Christian mythology article would look like this:

I think we should add a little logo picture -- maybe a dragon or something? --Phatius McBluff 21:22, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Corrected a little problem:

Reworded this way, I don't think the box needs that last disclaimer about "not labeling these stories as false". --Phatius McBluff 21:38, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Very helpful, thanks Phatius! We could use the dragon icon. My response is on Mythology Wikiproject for wider readership and consensus. Goldenrowley 17:45, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Old myth template

Thanks for letting me know about the discussion! I'm sorry I haven't been present on WP lately so soon after I started with the myth project. --Ephilei 00:46, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Recent changes to Religion and mythology

I added some citations for the "opposition to calling religious stories myths" section, which definitely needed citations. I also restructured the article a bit and added some more info. It was a moderately large-scale edit, so I thought you'd want to know. (Also, I added some facts explaining exactly why so many religious practitioners object to the term "myth". You might be interested, considering your "info box" project.) --Phatius McBluff 06:17, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tireless Contributor Barnstar

		The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
		I admire your work on articles dealing with mythology; you've shown a true devotion to the subject. I'm also impressed by your creative efforts to resolve the "religion vs mythology" dispute. Keep up the good work! --Phatius McBluff 06:38, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Aw shucks. The feelings are entirely mutual... its good to have such hard working people on board! Goldenrowley 15:17, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hey

how are things going? I've been busy. If you recall, I've been unable to update Ohlone because of work and the book-selling business. Anyhow, two new books came into my collection via channels. I think you might want to borrow them. Here are the ISBNs: ISBN 0-8070-8529-4 ISBN 0-385-42253-9

meatclerk 06:15, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Thank you very much. Glad to see you're back. For a week or so I'll be pretty busy with real life and planning a trip to Europe. I appreciate your thinking of my interests in North American mythology. Goldenrowley 18:57, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Islamic mythology

I've posted some concerns about the Islamic mythology article on the Mythology Wikiproject's discussion page. I think that you in particular should see them. --Phatius McBluff 23:24, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Roots music invitation

You are cordially invited to participate in WikiProject Roots music The goal of WikiProject Roots music is to improve the quality and quantity of information about Roots, Folk, and Traditional music available on Wikipedia. WikiProject Roots music as a group does not prefer any particular tradition of Roots, Folk, or Traditional music, but prefers that all traditions are fairly and accurately represented.

I thought you might be especially interested in light of the discussion about the Child Ballads and Lady Isabel and the Elf Knight currently going on.

-- TimNelson 11:51, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the invite Tim! I'll take a look but although may have much to offer on the music end, I am more into the mythological themes the song preserved. Goldenrowley 04:05, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ohlone

Hey! How's it going? Book sales are leveling off, and I'm getting back to the Wiki. This week I plan to finalize my History of the Name of Redwood City. After that, I'm back to working on Ohlone stuff.

I'm writing to say hi and to let you know I have a personal copy of Names for Plants and Animals Among California and other Western North American Tribes by Clinton Merriam. You are free to borrow it, if you need to, or would like to. I'm cleaning up my collection this week (before the weekend when I have to go back to work.)

I'm not sure where to start. Any suggestion? I'm thinking ohlone salt or one of the villages?

06:33, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Hi! Nice to hear you're feeling motivated. I've not heard of Ohlone salt is it notable? The 8 pages on Ohlone subgroups are pretty short particularly Karkin if interested. The main Ohlone article holding steady with Good Article ratings. The other Bay Area people Esselan, Salinan and Yokut suffer less attention and could use a hand. Thanks for offering a book, however, I will be going to Europe this month, so better not borrow any thing right now. Goldenrowley 06:54, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Hi! On the Ohlone salt, it is not notable in the sense of world politics, but there are two or three well documented native battles. One is over salt, the other is over the Almaden quick silver. The general convention by the natives was to ask for permission before getting shared or community resources. There are a few stories on acorns, a few on minerals (like obsidan), and a few on salt. These are the things I have been researching, but have not had time to follow up on. In any case, I do note that there is a gap around the Pious Fund. This fund was used as a funding source for the 1769 expedition, Anza's movement of settlers to SF and the general funding of missionaries and soilder to settling California, both baja and alta. meatclerk 21:59, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Hi! Sounds notable and involves neighboring cultures. Good luck Goldenrowley 04:43, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Troilus

Thanks for the congratulations, Goldenrowley. I'm slowly working through the comments by the GA reviewer for further improvement and am also working through a book with coverage of the fragments of the Sophocles play and its background. My hope is to move the article from one of the nineteen best mythology articles to one of the eight best by the end of the year. In other words, get it to A-class.

Did you actually re-assess the article? In that case I would be interested in any ideas for what it lacks that is needed for A. If you haven't reassessed it, then I'll just wait until I've finished my current work and put it up for reassessment at that point. I'm assuming that I should satisfy you on its being an A before going for external peer review and FA.

Thanks, again. --Peter cohen 08:58, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

My pleasure. I did not re-assess it you can get that name if you check the history of the page's talk page. ^but I'd be happy to read it again^ Goldenrowley 15:21, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cologne Cathedral

About the window...

• It looks interesting, and I'm glad to know it's there, but it's a bad photo. There are lots of pics of Cologne to chose from and that one is so bleached out. it doesn't show what it's supposed to show
• solution 1. Take the shot again on a very dull day. one problem is its the South window, so it gets a lot of daylight.
• solution 2. Take it again using flash. It often works on very brightly lit stained glass.
• solution 3. Digitally drop the tone and enhance the colour. You'll find the pic has actually recorded more info than it appears.
• Also, that gallery was carefully arranged. Shoving St Kit down, instead of putting your window pic with the other window pics!
• I've cut your caption to 4 lines, the same as the others. If you can get a decent picture, then you don't need to write that its a coloured collage.
• If you are not in Cologne any more and you can't come up with a better pic, maybe there is an editor in Cologne who could take one. I'd like a better look at that window.

Amandajm 14:31, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

I agree its not the best one, however it is the MOST current news. Maybe it would sit better outside the "gallery" in a current news section. I unfortunately am not in Cologne any more to take a new photo. Goldenrowley 15:13, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

By the way I may be unaware of the significance but I moved the ST Kit statue down because I thought pictures of the catherdral itself should come before pictures of statues inside it. It wasnt "shoving" it so much as trying to put the cathedral above statues. Goldenrowley 17:28, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hey, new stuff ready

Hey, just finishing vacation. Have some new stuff ready.

• Rancho de las Pulgas
• Talk:Ohlone/salt will post about 10am

[edit] Mythopoeia

The text of this poem on Wikisource has been flagged as a potential copyright violation.[7] It looks like you were the user who contributed it. If you know more about the publication history of this poem, that might help. John Vandenberg 01:28, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Actually you could be right about copyright. I first moved the poem that was originally on Wikipedia, to Wikisource, because it was out of place on Wikiedia. Then I began to research its history and learned it was in a published magazine in in 1931. Goldenrowley 05:10, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Morini

To answer your question: you're right, there should be more references. The problem is that there are very little references, as very little is known about the Morini. The article is a collection of bits and pieces I found in various articles which often are about different but probably related subjects. E.g. the fact that the Morini, like the Bataves build small hills to live upon. Those 'hills' (2 meter) are still found in the region and are the origin of the word 'polder'. But, the information about 'polder' is in my Dutch Etymology Dictionary and I saw those hills on a local television program. The Germanic character of the tribe is solely derived from this one little word in Zosimus's text, and Medieval maps. It's known that after the Roman Empire the region was known as to be Frankish (again: Germanic), but also that this region did not contribute in conquering Gaul under Clovis. In fact, Clovis annexed the region at the end of his life, long after the conquest of Gaul. The tribal region itself is derived from the presence of the specific West-Flemish dialect. I could not find a complete text about the Morini and moreover, there is a lot of confusion about nearly all the Belgian tribes, their location and their language. The reason is politics. French historians will claim a 'Gaulish' character of the region (like they do for most of Belgium). As the Morini are not a 'hot' subject, I added this coloured map where I situated not only the Morini, but also other Belgian tribes. French maps will give you a completely different view. So, it's very difficult to give good references. My website is: proto-english where I again break all the rules. There, I do have the same problem: how to give references when I state something completely opposite to what is widely accepted? I hope that someone will add references, one never know. --Michael042 (talk) 11:02, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for taking the effort to contribute. I hope you take requests for references in only a positive light that it will strengthen and be a permanent record. You mentioned "The article is a collection of bits and pieces I found in various articles" - those are your references. However you also mentioned confusion about Belgic tribes, if the French argue a Ghaulish character, then it behoves one to mention that as wll in the article in a neutral way and present both opinions. Again please take me comments only as another editor very interested in the region, interested enough to see references. Thanks Goldenrowley (talk) 04:32, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for correcting the text. --Michael042 (talk) 11:21, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Likewise, thank you for the excellent work recently and reference additions! Goldenrowley (talk) 01:59, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Nuptial act

A tag has been placed on Nuptial act, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done because the page appears to have no meaningful content or history, and the text is unsalvageably incoherent.

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I didn't write it so my feelings aren't ruffled. Its too minor a point to have its own article so I had the phrase moved to Wiktionary, then merged it into the article Catholic teachings on sexual morality where it was largely covered, already. Goldenrowley (talk) 02:08, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Tammukan

Thanks for your edits to Tammukan, California, wow how my stub has grown!W-i-k-i-l-o-v-e-r-1-7 (talk) 07:45, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

no problem it was interestng topic, thanks for contributing it. Goldenrowley (talk) 02:14, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Note:I am not sure we should do an article for each Indian ghost village, research indicates that would be 100s in the bay area alone, in this case it was described as a place in old books, so it could be considered notable enough. Goldenrowley (talk) 02:21, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Category:Decorative arts

Hi,

I have moved your nomination of Category:Decorative arts from Wikipedia:User categories for discussion, whose scope covers only categories for Wikipedia editors, to today's Categories for discussion log page. The nomination can now be found here.

Cheers, Black Falcon ^(Talk) 03:11, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Boy I am glad you did, thanks. I was wading into unfamiliar territories. Goldenrowley (talk) 03:04, 26 March 2008 (UTC)