Talk:Golfers with most European Tour wins
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[edit] Ernie Els - number of victories
I think we need to reassess how many European Tour wins Els has. In the news report on his South African Open win on the European Tour website it states that this was Els 23rd win [1], but our list has it as his 21st. However there are only 20 wins listed in his profile on www.europeantour.com. This list omits mention of any of Els World Matchplay Championships victories, so if we count his victories in 2002, 2003 and 2004 we get to 23.
- However at the wikipedia article on Ernie Els only 2 of these are listed as being classed as European Tour victories, in 2003 and 2004. We do not have a source that verifies when the World Matchplay Championship was sanctioned by the European Tour.
Muddying the water further is Els victory at the 2004 WGC-American Express Championship is counted as a European Tour win on the European Tour website, but is not included in our count of European Tour wins. Would someone like to double check this, as I think we need to adjust Els total to include the WGC event, and possibly some more World Matchplay victories. Catchpole 19:05, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
- The Wentworth World Matchplay has always been "sanctioned" by the European Tour - as an unofficial money event. I am not sure that the European Tour has ever made clear decisions about what "European Tour win" actually means, or made an announcement wrt to recognition of U.S. majors before they became official money events. As our list stands, I believe it is a correct record of wins in European Tour events which were official money events when played, which is not quite the same basis as is used for the matching PGA Tour list. I think we should stick to this until we have prove that the European Tour has retrospectively designated the U.S. majors and/or the Wentworth Match Play as official wins. But on the other hand, I think it should make that designation, at least in respect of the majors. I will review the notes on the article to make sure it is clear how it is currently prepared. If anyone is aware of any unambiguous statements on retrospective designation from the tour, please provide the source and update the article as appropriate. Osomec 14:16, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
- This article clearly states that the 2004 World Match Play was the first official ET event. The win doesn't show up on Els' European Tour Wins list, which it should, or his Other Wins list, as his previous 5 wins do. The 2004 ET schedule lists the event but the winner's spot is blank. In previous years the event is marked with a "*" indicating it was an unofficial event (like the RYder Cup and Seve Trophy).Tewapack (talk) 22:42, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
