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Are we sure the country of origin is Australia? Sources for this assertion? I'm leaving it for now, but I wouldn't bet on it.... Quill 21:46, 1 Jul 2004 (UTC)

It seems from reading around that the Labradoodle is usually described at originating from Australia, based on the first recorded organised breeding programme (rather than random matings). I've seen the same said for the Goldendoodle on a couple of sites, but without any details. So I left it (and added it into the table) for the same reason you did Quill. Maybe "worldwide" or "various" would be more accurate? -- sannse (talk) 12:07, 3 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Yes, 'various'--something like that...or 'uncertain'...'not yet determined'...anything like that, whatever you think best. Quill 09:19, 4 Jul 2004 (UTC)
I've gone for "various" and tried to explan that in the text. -- sannse (talk) 17:43, 4 Jul 2004 (UTC)
It turned out very well, Sannse! Quill 00:26, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC)

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[edit] Regarding my recent edits

  • The labradoodle is not a recognized purebred in Australia. Some recognize it as a breed-under-development, some won't even accord it that much status.
  • I think the paragraph on the hybrid's background should be left as is. I see no evidence to state definitively that this hybrid's sole place of origin is Australia.
  • I am challenging the inclusion of Cont. Kennel Club and UKCI in the breed tables. I will put my argument on the TALK page os the dogproject.
Quill 00:10, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)

A link to that discussion --> Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Dog breeds - sannse (talk) 16:47, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Regarding my recent edits

I don't usually clarify my edits, but we seem to have some cross-purposes starting here and I want to forestall anything like an edit war.

  • I have re-replaced the definitive statement about Australian origins with the various-countries origin as discussed above; no references have been given to counter this.
  • I have attempted to remove repetitive discussions of the purpose of the dogs' breeding and the hypoallergenic stuff; it doesn't need to be repeated.
  • Removed duplicated words next to links ([[Poodle]] shows up in the article, so it doesn't need to repeat Poodle [[Poodle]]).
  • Removed technical term of "F1" in first paragraph since that's too much detail early and it is discussed later in the article.
  • Tone down POV by removing, e.g., "beautiful". Also for NPOV, seems clear that some people think that only a 1st-generation hybrid is a goldendoodle while others are trying to establish a breed that breeds true. Have modified the appropriate paragraph to show the differences of opinion.
  • Merge back in overwritten text that had links to other articles, e.g., to assistance dogs.
  • Replaced "minor" referring to these kennel clubs as discussed above.
  • Reorganized a bit and added headings to make redundancies clearer.

Elf | Talk 05:55, 28 Jul 2004 (UTC)

[edit] New photo

I hope that everyone who usually works on this page is alright with this picture. I think that it really shows what a Goldendoodle looks like. It is a picture of my goldendoodle, Bailey, when he was about 14 months old. Feedback is appreciated! --Corey520 01:13, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

Looks good; thanks. I removed the name from the article; wikipedia breed articles have avoided using names. But of course it can go on the image description page (which you already did). Elf | Talk 04:02, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
I added a picture of my Goldendoodle, as well... her name is Shelby. Thanks to Trysha... I didn't realize that additional pictures were to be put only in the body of the article. --kramtark 22:55, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Additional Pictures

How many more pictures, and in what style, are we looking for here? --kramtark 22:56, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

The number of pictures usualy depends on article length, two or three pictures is usually good. Too many pictures clutters an article. Personally I'd like to see a nicer uncluttered photo for the main photo and move that main photo down into the body - the woods in the background looks kind of busy to me. Pictures of dogs against a solid background (like the dogs on green grass photos that many dog pages use) are best in my opinion. Something that shows a good representation of the dog, like a simple sitting or standing photo without wagging or motion. A picture of a goldendoodle in harness doing guide work would also be nice, since that's a common use for these dogs. - Trysha (talk)

As of the date of my input here, there are a total of five pics, two in the body of the article and three in the gallery. All are of the most common color type of goldendoodles, white. I would like to see the different common colors of these goldendoodles, and differences between mini's and standard goldendoodles. I also hear there are some breeders using toy poodle sires (versus mini's) for breeding. Additionally, back-crossing the hybrids is becoming more popular resulting in (typically) 75% poodle 25% golden retriever, less so the 75% golden and 25% poodle. Can anyone contribute any such somewhat representative photo's to the gallery (so as not to clutter the article itself)? Anthronify 05:00, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Merge

Should this article be merged into Poodle hybrid? --Mdwyer 22:31, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Hard to say definitively, but there are a few hybrids that are so common & so widespread with info to say about them that we've felt in the past that it's worth leaving articles about them. Elf | Talk 22:59, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Merge into Poodle Hybrid? No. For the same reason we don't create the topic "golden retriever hybrid" to merge this article into. People input "goldendoodle" into the wiki search to learn about goldendoodles --not to get information about poodle hybrids.Anthronify 04:21, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Photo revisions, removal

I removed the main picture and replaced it with one of the more suitable ones from the gallery, though if someone has a better picture with a plain background please feel free to upload it. Removed one photo from the gallery that was too informal for the article, adjusted the contrast in two of the remaining images.--RadariG 19:04, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

The selection of photos that the article has right now are wonderful! They reveal the natural variation within the hyrid but also show what features seem to appear in each generation. They look like terrific dogs. of course, with a poodle and a GR, how could one go wrong? Two of the best companion breeds there are. I wish the other Hyrid articles had this many photos showing the various ages. it's hard yto get an idea of the nature of the hybrid from only cute baby puppy pix. Lisapollison 09:27, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

I've got a goldendoodle, how do I upload a pic?

[edit] gallery

I removed the gallery per WP:NOT, WP:Images and WP:IUP, as it has several repetitive images, had no clear parameters and served no encylopedic purpose not already filled in the article. Wikipedia is not a gallery for pet pictures. I added an image of a puppy from the gallery, as no other puppy images were present and illustrating age differences in the breed is important. VanTucky 23:41, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hybrid??

It says that the Goldenoodle is a hybrid. Hybrids are two species mixed together (wolf/dog, horse/donkey, ect...) Two dogs from diffrent breeds's puppies would be classified mutts. I'm going to fix this.

The paragraph above is wrong. Two different species cannot interbreed and produce viable hybrid offspring: that's part of the definition of speciation. Horse and donkeys produce mules, which are unviable (sterile). Wolves and dogs are now recognised as belonging to the same species. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.189.35.158 (talk) 12:51, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] UKC

I have just reverted an attempt to claim goldendoodles are recognized by the United Kennel Club. This is untrue for several reasons.

  • Firstly, goldendoodles are not a breed- they are mutts/"designer dogs" usually resulting in a cross between two pure-breds. As such, they do not have a breed standard. Traits of a litter cannot be successfully predicted.
  • The UKC does not list them.
  • This site lists the requirements for UKC registration. You'll note number 4 for "Things To Do Before You Breed A Litter" reads "Make sure the proposed sire and dam are the same breed. If not, the litter cannot be registered."

Sarrandúin [ Talk + Contribs ] 21:09, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] NPOV

I'm not so sure that this article is written from a Neutral Point of View - especially when I come across phrases such as "Goldendoodles are intelligent, friendly, and great with kids" :-) Stwalkerster talk 20:02, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

It would help if there was some sourcing. Any at all. VanTucky Talk 20:06, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Images

An article should not be overladen with images. Please can someone tell me of what value the extra images are, BEFORE they are added again. Thanks, :-) Stwalkerster talk 20:31, 13 October 2007 (UTC)