Talk:Goidelic languages
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[edit] Unsourced info removed
I'm removing the following information because it has been tagged as being unsourced for some time:
- [The term "Gaelic"] in Britain, most often refers to Scottish Gaelic and it is the word that Scottish Gaelic speakers themselves use when speaking English. In the USA however, the word is often used by members of the Irish diaspora to refer to the Irish language. Within Ireland, native speakers in Donegal are more likely to refer to the language in English as Gaelic rather than Irish.
If anyone can find sources for these statements, feel free to re-add them. —Angr 18:17, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
[edit] More unsourced info removed
I'm removing the following statement which has been tagged as needing a source for some time:
- Others may feel use of the term strengthens feelings of solidarity among speakers of the sister languages.
Again, if anyone can provide a source for this claim, feel free to add it. —Angr 18:15, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Don't fight in the article
WHOMEVER KEEPS REMOVING THIS YOU HAVE NO CAUSE, WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM
This is inappropriate for being on an article. Take your beefs elsewhere. Atcavage 16:34, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
- Such as here on the talk page. The information the anon keeps adding to the article is inappropriate for a variety of reasons. First, the question of the origin of the Gaels is not really relevant to an article on the Goidelic languages; it would make more sense to discuss it at Gaels. Second, the sentence "Goidelic is similar to Celtiberian, both being Q-Celtic languages" doesn't make much sense. A Q-Celtic language is simply one that failed to undergo the innovative change of kw > p; failure to undergo an innovation does not indicate any similarity. (It's like saying English is similar to Gothic because both failed to undergo the High German consonant shift.) Third, O'Rahilly's historical model is a fringe theory that pretty much no one but O'Rahilly has ever believed; including it here puts UNDUE weight on it. —Angr 17:10, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
I've found this happening in other Celtic language articles - the argument that because Celtiberian has K where Brythonic and Gaulish have P, therefore the Leabhar Gabhala and/or O'Rahilly must be correct. Someone is putting forward their favourite theories. - Paul S, 20:25 17 March 2007 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Paul S (talk • contribs) 20:27, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Cornish and Gaulish
Gaulish is listed as part of the Brythonic languages...when I thought it was part of its own continental or Gaulish subfamily. If we are to list dead languages, Cornish should be listed in the place of Gaulish as a Brythonic language. I have no references offhand, but I would challenge someone to show me that I am wrong. I, at some point in the future, will get accredited references to back up my position. AnthroGael 03:28, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
- No, it says Gaulish and Brythonic are sometimes collectively known as P-Celtic. It doesn't say Gaulish is Brythonic. —Angr 05:30, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
- True enough. My bad. Still, if we are to list the P-Celtic languages, is there a reason why we would include Gaulish ahead of Cornish in this table? Maybe we could add Cornish as one of these pink background titles? Or perhaps we could add a legend explaining the pink/green colour code? AnthroGael 11:29, 19 November 2007 (UTC)AnthroGael 11:35, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
thecornish language is alive and kicking and is officialy recognised. Any attempt to make it appear as a dead language would be factualy incorrect.Fletch 2002 (talk) 00:47, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] True Shelta is not cant and does not have English in it
The original and pure Shelta has no English in it but is a back slang gaelic.
Gaelic words like mac are cam in shelta. Many modern Irish travellers of today travel both Ireland and the UK and now speak a mix cant language. True Shelta is not Cant.
You must change the phrase about shelta being cant as irish traveller cant is a modern corruption of the original tongue. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.34.227.166 (talk) 17:53, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
