Talk:Goble, Oregon

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A good start, but needs some work. I plan to add some history from Oregon Geographic Names. I'm new to wikifying, so any further tweaking is welcome. I'm also tagging for references.Katr67 14:13, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

To do: what does it mean by "small" community? Katr67 20:21, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I'll get right on that... Katr67 17:51, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Moved from main page

This info needs to be sourced and added back to the article:

It is home to the Goble Moorage, the now-abandoned Goble Store, the former Goble Elementary School, which no longer serves as a public school, Goble Creek, Charles W. Chapman Quarry (Chapman Quarry), Goble Falls...

In April 1853, Daniel Goble from Ohio filed a donation land claim along the banks of the Columbia River. In 1890, George S Foster and his wife Eliza laid out plans on thirty acres upon which the town of Goble would grow. Goble became one of many tiny communities that dotted the Lower Columbia Basin throughout the second half of the 1800s. By the 1880s, five separate communities sprang up around Goble, including the settlements Neer City in 1883, Rueben in 1891, Beaver Homes in 1902, and Kalama, on the Washington Territory side of the Columbia.

On October 15, 1884 the first train pulled into Hunter’s Landing, a ferry service opposite Kalama. The railroad put Goble on the map and its place as an important waypoint along the Northern Pacific railroad was established. The ferry boat Tacoma carried train cars across the river, establishing rail service from Portland to Seattle. The ferry ran from October 9, 1884 until Christmas Day, 1908 when a railroad bridge was opened between Portland and Vancouver, Washington. Passenger and automobile ferries functioned out of Goble until the construction of the Lewis and Clark Bridge between Rainier, Oregon and Longview, Washington in 1934. The ferries obsolete, Goble’s role as a transportation hub subsided and its importance to the outside world all but disappeared. The little town quietly faded into obscurity.

Katr67 21:02, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

This information appears more accurate than some that remains on the Goble page.

Specifically, I believe the Northern Pacific RR built to Goble from Portland, not the predecessor of the Union Pacific.Rvannatta 21:25, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

If you can source it feel free to add it to the article. You can see the article, and the source I used, says ORR&NC, which established the train ferry, built a railroad on the Oregon side--it doesn't say it was to Portland. Katr67 23:55, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

I wrote the up the railroad for Kalama, Washington yesterday, and you can see what I did. Kent Armbursters book I cited there tracks the paragraph above. the most fascinating thing he says is that while Northen Pacific got President Grant to attend a spike driveing ceremony west of Helena Montana in September of 1883 to commemorate the completion of the NOrthern pacific line to tidewater (at tacoma), the Portland-Hunter's line wasn't done yet. it recounts that the contactor hasitly laid rails over the uncompleted road bed, and when Villard came west to celebrate the completion, his pullman cars were deadheaded over the temporary trackage while he took a riverboat from portland to kalama.---and then grandly road his train into puget sound.

Somewhere we have to explain the Hunter's point/Goble discrapancy. McArthur documents 'Hunters', a name now lost. There is a whole mixture of names in that area.

Enterprise Landing, Hunters, Goble, Reuben, Mooreville, Redtown, Beaver Holmes. There is a story for each one, but all are 'sites' for the most part not far from one another. Goble is sort of the newer name in the area, and was, believe it or not actually incorporated as a city at one time, but then became inactive. Older maps listed it as an 'inactive' city, and I've seen the charter to in once, but most folks don't know this and it would take a lot dedicated research to prove it up.

The Northern Pacific did have a joint use with the OR&RN (later Union Pacific) on the Columbia river gorge, but that was a treaty negotiated a decade earlier, and OR&rn wasn't going to build a track to Goble just so NP could claim to be a transcontinatal RR. the OR&RN owned the river boats on the Columbia, and they lost business when the NP RR customers could ride the train all the way through without having to take the boat from portland to Kalama. Anyhow take a look at what I wrote into the Kalama page and tellme what you thinkRvannatta 05:36, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Also the Historic ferry's page I linked in assigns the ownership of the ferry to NP, and this links the union Pacific building projects and Portland-Hunters line is not one of them: http://www.pnwc-nrhs.org/hs_or_n.html

I say the Washington Secretary of state who cites no references himself, doesn't know that much about Oregon.Rvannatta 05:56, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

However, their position is not without authority: The Washington Historical society has a photo of the ferry Tacoma which is attributed to OR and N ownership: http://digitum.washingtonhistory.org/cdm4/item_viewer.php?CISOROOT=/genphotos&CISOPTR=7&CISOBOX=1&REC=18 Rvannatta 06:32, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

I think though I am more impressed with the Port of Kalama's intrepretive sign which just seems authorative to me: http://emilymaletz.com/Emily_Maletz_work_samples.pdf Rvannatta 06:50, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sources of bad information are starting to change.

Yesterday this link had wrongly listed the Henry villards line as the operator of the Ferry Tacoma at Goble, but his mistake was suddenly repaired when it was called to the Museum's attention. The Portland-Hunters line was absolutely of critical importance to the Northern Pacific, because construction of the Stampede pass route over the Washington Cascades was only starting in 1883 and this was the only way they had to connect their western Terminus at Tacoma to their transcontinental system.

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The erroneous source at the Washington Secretary of States office has yet to be repairedRvannatta 01:00, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

30Nov07 -- Secretary of state hasa re-edited their website to reflect the NP owned the Kalama-Goble Ferry.Rvannatta 21:27, 2 December 2007 (UTC)