Talk:Goa'uld technology in Stargate
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Xornok's removed ring transporters from this article twice now, so I figured I'd put the issue up here for wider discussion. Although the technology was originally invented by the Ancients they're used and manufactured so widely by the Goa'uld that I feel they warrant a mention here. The Ring Transporter article itself only gives brief mention to the Ancient origins of the technology, with the vast bulk of it devoted to Goa'uld usage. Bryan 06:02, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
BTW, I'm not sure how this is connected to my statement at Talk:Daedalus class battlecruiser, as Xornok appears to imply with his most recent edit summary. The inclusion of this information isn't connected to the "viewing experience" of Stargate SG-1 fans in any way I can see. Xornok, could you elaborate? Bryan 06:07, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] goa'uld ring transporter
Here's the discussion Xornok and I had previously on the subject, on my user talk page:
they werent created by the goa'uld, so, why put them there? who cares if they just took over the usage and started producing them? it is NOT goa'uld technology, and thats what the page is about, goa'uld tech... if you put it under, say, "Technology the Goa'uld have stolen", then, sure, maybe as a reference then. cause we all know the goa'uld steal most of their technology, it has been said multiple times... Xornok 18:20, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
- They weren't created by the Goa'uld, but they are now the only race manufacturing them (and also perhaps the Tok'ra) and pretty much the exclusive current users. IMO that's a perefectly reasonable justification for mentioning them there. I suspect most casual viewers of the show wouldn't even know the ring transporters weren't Goa'uld-originated. If one were to rigidly exclude "copied" technology like this, then Tau'ri technology#Naquahdah generator would also seem to be in violation - it's Orbanian technology. The X-301 should also probably go, the Tau'ri didn't even build all of the components for that themselves. Anyway, when I restored the ring transporters to the Goa'uld technology list I also added a note explicitly pointing out its non-Goa'uld origin. Some of the other entries could use similar notes, I notice that the Sarcophagus doesn't mention Ancient healing device for example. Bryan 21:49, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
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- because the sarcophagus was developed from the ancient healing device, whereas the ring transporter has not undergo any change at all. the ring transporter is still the same design, etc, that the ancients used. the orbanian design was different from the tau'ri one, but yes, it is in violation... maybe "Tau'ri design naquahdah generator", because it is NOT tau'ri tech, only the design... but i suppose the mach 2 would be, because they engineered it to be 600% more effective then the original... something the orbanian people couldnt do... the x-301 is experimental, the fact that they added different components means that they were trying to modify it... which they failed with the 301... its a hybrid, but it led to the 302... just like taking an idea, transforming it, and making it your own... -Xornok 00:58, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
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- This all seems like excessive hair-splitting to me. It's all well and good to have detailed descriptions clarifying these technologies' origins within the show, but we shouldn't go so far as to make the article's layout or contents violate expectations in a non-obvious way. People who are reading about Goa'uld technology are naturally going to expect ring transporters to be mentioned since Goa'uld use and manufacture them so extensively. In computer programming terms this is the principle of least astonishment. If we don't mention ring transporters under Goa'uld technology I expect there will be an endless stream of people such as myself coming to "correct" the "omission". Bryan 06:46, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Camera vs. Long-range visual communication device
Is there any reason to believe that the Camera is anything other than an alternate mode on the Long-range visual communication device? TerraFrost 03:17, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
yes, the camera was a black ball that looked quite similar to the Goa'uld grenade. it even had lights on it and everything... the long-range visual communication device was just a pearl-coloured ball. alse, the camera wasn't meant to transmit the recorded images Maartentje 08:38, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Jaffa Convertor
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the Prim'ta, as depicted in Bloodlines essentially do the same thing as the Jaffa Convetor? TerraFrost 17:32, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
the prim'ta is the implantation of the symbiote. according to "Birthright", a Jaffa does not need a symbiote to sustain his/her immune system before puberty. However, that doesn't mean they don't have a symbiote pouch all ready, all jaffa are born with it, they're just not born with a symbiote. the jaffa convertor appeared to create the symbiote pouch (and off course rewrite the victim's dna so that his immune system requires the symbiote to sustain it). Maartentje 19:06, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Jaffa Armor and HUD's
the section on Jaffa armor talks about a HUD in the helmet, but there has been no in show confirmation of this. so any mention of a HUD is speculation. (there are slits below the anthromorphic face where the actor can see out, but whether these are intended to be the actual veiwports, or just are there only for the conveniance of the actors is undetermained.) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.116.29.116 (talk) 23:13, 9 January 2007 (UTC).
I also notice under the Jaffa Armor section this quote: "The "eyes" of the Serpent Guard helmets glow red as long as the wearer is still alive and, in the same sense, stop glowing soon after their death." Although it is a mistake within the show, maybe we can get a picture of a serpent guard that has glowing "eyes", since the one standing at attention with staff weapon in hand clearly doesn't, and may leave some to believe he was dead. Penman 1323 19:28, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] "Goa'uld technology in Stargate"?
Is it really necessary to specify that this is specific to Stargate? Where else would we encounter Goa'uld technology? --Puellanivis 20:15, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Force shields
In "Upgrades" we learn that the Goa'uld use frequency oscillation principles for their force shields, so that something moving fast enough can pass them reasonably unhindered. This sounds to me like the effect you would get if trying to throw a ferromagnetic object through a strong magnetic field oscillating at very high frequency. (i.e. an electromagnet run by high freq. alternating current.) If such an object is moving fast enough, and hitting the field around minimum strength, it will pass, while if it hits during max strength, it will be slowed considerably, or stopped. Based on public information regarding a P90 gun, and given that the that such a round should not penetrate, one can calculate that the frequency would have to be >13kHz, if the round hit at the right time (weakest 1/4 of the cycle), otherwise it would have to be several times higher. at the muzzle, the kinetic energy of a P90 round is 1,63 kJ, meaning that such a magnetic field would require rather extreme amounts of power. If the round is to stop within 1/2 of its length (=14 mm) this would be 81,4 MW. Sustained fire on such a field would thus require high capacity power lines...
Stargate shields (and most force shields/fields in sci-fi in general) seem to have the same effect on any matter. Assuming that the "frequency oscillation" means that these fields' strength vary periodically with time, and if SG-1 hit the field at minimum power, they would pass, otherwise, they would keep pushing until a power minimum is reached (at most a few milliseconds later), and then pass. If one assumes that the shield has thickness ≈0, and that it "wants" to keep an object's center of mass from passing, that object must move >1/2 its length along the direction of motion, during one power minimum (for the sake of math, the lowest 1/4 of the cycle). and that SG-1 must be running much faster that 12,8 km/s (not bad! that is escape velocity on earth). Just to overcome the wind resistance at this velocity, 1,5TW is required at earth sea level.
The personal shields probably allow slow objects to pass in order to allow the user to interact with the environment without having to turn off the protection (sometimes a bad idea!) the reason darts and knives can pass is simply a calibration issue; the Goa'uld had been the dominant power for so long, that they were slow to adapt to the new tactics used by humans, throwing knives and dart guns were almost never used in combat. Later, this was fixed among some of the more "up to date" snakeheads; Apophis died when his ship crashed, with replicators walking on his shield.
This was long. Does anyone have any fundamentally different understanding as to what the term used for describing the principle behind the force fields means? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Edgjerp (talk • contribs) 20:59, 19 February 2007 (UTC).
[edit] "The Light"
Shouldn't that addictive light emiter thing from The Light (Stargate SG-1) be listed in the article?
It is unknown who put it there. Tutthoth-Ankhre (talk) 00:20, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Dated?
While reading this article I realized that some of the statements may no longer be true (in universe). For example, it says that Goa'uld holograms are more advanced than earth technology. While that once was true, earth is now using asgard derived holograms. Go'auld shields are light years behind the beam weapons earth is using. Also, I'm pretty sure that the memory device is ancient. Stargate70 (talk) 01:02, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Too many non-free images
There are currently discussions in favor of an image-reduction drive on lists per Wikipedia:Non-free content. However, there is disagreement how far this applies to fiction list-articles. Nevertheless, since wikipedia strives to be a free-content encyclopedia, it would be a good idea to reconsider how many elements on this page really need images. A preferred rule of thumb is to have no more than five such images, and to not have images for where subarticles use the same images. If someone wants to help out, even if it is just in little steps, please do so. – sgeureka t•c 17:41, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
