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Banksia photos

Thanks for all the great photos. I've just changed the image at the top of Banksia from an image of Banksia ericifolia, which has unusually small leaves and so is not really representative of the genus, to an image of Banksia robur, which is a more "typical" species. The replacement image is well composed in that it shows both leaves and inflorescence, and gives some idea of the structure and form of the tree. But unfortunately it isn't particularly pretty. There are prettier images of flower spikes available (e.g. your B. menziesii image) but these don't capture the leaves etcetera. The perfect image would be a compromise: it would feature a very pretty flower spike, but would also show the leaves and a cone, maybe also some of Banksia's distinctive bark, and perhaps even give some idea of the form of the tree. I realise this is a big ask, but do you have or can you take anything that fits the bill?

Incidentally, I don't know if it has been mentioned to you that Cas and I are so active on banksias at the moment because we want to get Banksia up to featured status. If you want to participate in ways other than your most excellent photography, you would be very welcome. If you're interested, there's a to-do list at Talk:Banksia. Snottygobble 06:55, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

The western species are so much more showy than the ones over here (sob) Cas Liber 11:54, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

I got an idea, one thing i never got a good photo over west was.....a snottygobble (Persoonia longifolia) - got a good one of bark but not leaves Cas Liber 11:54, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Is the bark as dangerous as has been suggested, Are there precautions I should take Gnangarra 12:05, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Its bark is worse than my bite. No actually I have no idea what you're talking about. Persoonia longifolia's bark is rough and flaky, but I'm not aware of anything dangerous about it? Did I just fail to get a joke? Snottygobble 12:17, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
oops I thought it was a joke remember reading your user pages ages ago, vaguelly remembered something about queensland so thought plant was there, Since you are watching this I just uploaded 13 banksia menziesii gotta replace a couple I missed orientating (dam phone, think i'll go back to dial up) theyre in commons in category of same name. Gnangarra 13:14, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

I had no probelms with 10 years of dialup now my adsl is very temperamental (grrr). I have not heard anyting about persoonia bark being dangerous. It is really nice to play with Cas Liber 17:56, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, my bad. P. longifolia is common down south but Perth is at its northern limit. In the Perth area it occurs only in the Darling Plateau south of Bickley, and it isn't particularly common even there. P. elliptica occurs on the plateau and at the foot of the scarp, but is also pretty uncommon. Snottygobble 23:51, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Ah well. Anyway, any photos oif western spp. would be great as all mine (apart from one P longifolia trunk) are eastern... cheers Cas Liber 01:34, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Sandbox

Hi, I guess your sandbox is not going to be an encyclopaedic article, so I have taken the liberty to move it to your user space (User:Gnangarra/sandbox). All the best, <KF> 12:54, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

No problem. Great photos! <KF> 12:59, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
thanks Gnangarra

St Mary's, Middle Swan

Gnangarra, our prev discussion prompted me to make go there myself (to refresh my memory) and took and uploaded some images to commons. I thought I better let you know in case you were going to make a special trip which you wouldn't otherwise. Regards -- I@n ≡ talk 13:24, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Nice pictures, I will still pass by and maybe get a couple more when I go back to All Saints as I want to update the quality of the images I took there. Gnangarra 13:34, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Mount Wellington

You'll get me all poetic, how even with furry undies, layers of wool and antartic gear you still get bone chill off Mount Wellington at the best of times!  :) When I lived in Darwin, I used to have a photo of Mount Wellington with snow on it at my desk. Good to think you keep tabs of our pages, I think you need a sherrifs star or barn owl or something! We're driving into a rainy weekend across the island to check out a power station due to be decommisioned in a weeks time that has been going since the first world war! My idea of a good holiday is to go to ocean beach at strahan in a full gale, aah, that's life! Just look at the way the two fronts come across as we land in Hobart (fri 9pm) and as we go to sleep in Strahan (sat 9pm) - it would be enough for a wet oz cocky cry! http://www.bom.gov.au/products/IDG00073.shtml Seeya SatuSuro 15:09, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Your article, Banksia menziesii, was selected for DYK!

Updated DYK query On June 21, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Banksia menziesii, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Thanks for your contributions! (several folk worked on it, credit to all...) ++Lar: t/c 00:36, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Julius Caesar

I do not understand the failure as there are 17 references in the reference section on the article. Plus, having inline citation isn't an obligation for GA. As per my mention, all the criteria are met so I still don't understand why it failed. See Wikipedia:What is a good article? citerion 2b. Lincher 17:41, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

:revised decision see article talk page Gnangarra

Seven Samurai 20XX

Thanks for your comments on the talkpage, but could you please reconsider that statement concerning "bad faith"...? I've attempted to fix as I can from my perception of an article. I'm very inclined to view the statement as a comment made in poor taste.

Concerning the article, I'm not certain what needs work in my view. It would helpful to list the glaring problems in a new section on the talkpage. I'll attempt to fix them. -ZeroTalk 17:49, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the comments. At the time of this post, I'll begin ammending the problems you suggested. Any ideas for expanding the lead...? I'm drawing a blank. -ZeroTalk 20:01, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Banksia

It looks like you've been sucked into the Banksia vortex too. If you want, feel free to update / add to / edit User:Snottygobble/Notes/Banksia just as if it were in the main space. Snottygobble 07:56, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Re: ABRS

Great! That's all we need really, anything to blue the link. Move it to the main space when you're ready, and I'll give it a quick copyedit. Oh, and when you do, make sure it goes to Australian Biological Resources Study i.e. "Resources" not "Resource". Snottygobble 05:10, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Would you like me to delete User:Gnangarra/ABRS? Snottygobble 05:37, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
Done. Not unless you feel like writing a stub on the Association of British Riding Schools. Snottygobble 05:42, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Persoonia longifolia

Nice work. Working on Snottygobble articles sends me schitzo. Do I get to put myself in Category:Notable Wikipedians now? Snottygobble 06:00, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Did I edit-conflict you? Sorry. Snottygobble 06:00, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
Me too. No matter how many times I preview a page, I don't start really finding errors until I've hit the save button. Snottygobble 06:07, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
Re DYK, very funny. :-)
"Were you just waiting for an excuse?" No, I'd already created Persoonia and Persoonia micranthera ages ago, and would have got to longifolia eventually. Snottygobble 05:05, 1 July 2006 (UTC)


kannur district

Thanks for the points . I will try to redress it ASAP. sumal 04:25, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

banksia distribution map

Uploaded a bigger one and put a spot on for B rosserae. Doesn't look so good bigger though. Maybe time to get a new map of Oz and transfer distribution splodges

PS: The photo of te bird with a frog is a White Faced Heron (Ardea novaehollandiae) :)Cas Liber 20:44, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Your DYK nomination for Celia Rosser was successful

Updated DYK query Did you know? has been updated. A fact from the article Celia Rosser, which you recently nominated, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Thanks for your Banksia related contributions! ++Lar: t/c 15:30, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Updated DYK query On July 5, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Persoonia longifolia, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Man, you're on a run here....;)Cas Liber 12:53, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Banksia

... is up and running. Snottygobble 02:17, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for helping out with the categorization. Snottygobble 04:20, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Eeks! Is it just me or has something happened to your Reabold Hill banksia photo on the main banksia page. can you see it? As it seems to be not linked to the page anymore and I can't make it appear :( Cas Liber 11:22, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Remember to remove GA nominations

Just a friendly reminder, don't forget to remove nominations from the nomination page after passing or failing them. I went to review AIDS in Brazil, then noticed you already did! I went ahead and removed it from the list, so no worries, just wanted to drop a reminder. Phidauex 22:30, 7 July 2006 (UTC) P.S. Good photography, I've been browsing.

GA cats

A month after the fact, I saw your note about categories for GAs. I have made Category:Wikipedia good geography articles and put the country articles in there. Maurreen 07:40, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

GA template

See Wikipedia:Deletion_review for 8 July. Rlevse 12:47, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Glad to have you support the GA icon, but a phrase other than calling FAs a "waste of time" would have been better. Rlevse 18:01, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Banksia seminuda on DYK

Updated DYK query On July 10, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Banksia seminuda, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--Mgm|(talk) 09:05, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Wiki Feature

I'm having a bit of problem understanding what you meant in your Bulbasaur comment.  :) Not important or anything, but if you have a message there, I didn't receive.  :P Cheers! --P-Chan 22:21, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

B. brownii

Would you mind checking the external links in the references section of Banksia brownii? The computer I'm working on has IP-determined access rights to certain academic resources, so I'm a bit concerned that these external links might work for me but no-one else. Snottygobble 01:25, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Great, thanks. Snottygobble 02:23, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

And in response to your comment: I had thought that B. brownii would be too short to get through FA. Although length isn't listed as an FA criterion, people often reject articles on "its too short" grounds. My other concern is the lack of a good image. The cutting picture we've got is good but not great, and FA really needs great. I'll ask Petaholmes for a second opinion. Snottygobble 01:29, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

I appreciate the disclosure ;) I have no objection to you using the article to "confront the size issue". However, since we already anticipate some resistance re: length, it would pay to make our case absolutely water-tight on all other fronts. The last thing you want is for the article to be rejected on other grounds, with the length issue not even coming up. I suggest that:
  1. The article should go through GA first. Maybe even PR too.
  2. All red-links must be eliminated.
  3. We ask one of our resident Aussie map geeks to make us up a distribution map.
Based on this, and assuming to go to GA today, we are still at least a week away from taking this to FA. What do you think? Snottygobble 02:23, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
Without issues at GA it'll take a least a week, add PR another so 2-3 weeks before it could go to FA. Lets do GA first then give it to PR, then rest it for a week - 10 days so that stability can't be an issue then run at FA. If your happy I'll do the GA nomination tonight. Gnangarra 02:29, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
Peta made some helpful suggestions which I'd like to implement. That could hurt the stability for a little while, and stability is a criterion for GA as well. I'll leave it up to you to decide when it is ready for GA. If you think tonight, that's fine by me.
Also I have a somewhat low opinion of the PR process, and prefer to seek informal feedback from certain people that I know to be helpful (e.g. Peta and MPF for botanical perspective; Tony1 for copyediting; Astrokey44 for maps (e.g. see User_talk:Astrokey44#Banksia_brownii); etc). I would be open to bypassing PR altogether. Once we've been through GA perhaps we'll have a better idea of how to continue. Snottygobble 02:48, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
Sounds like a good plan, I'll hold the GA nomination until its stable, by the time GA processes the nomination there wouldn't have been any major edits for a week or so that should be enough to meet stability. I read the reply from Peta definately better than PR, given the reponse to Banksia menziesii, every thing the was noted on that article has already been done here. When your happy with the article let me know. I'll poke around at the red links get them ready for the run at FA. Gnangarra 03:01, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
Sweet map! I wouldn't have asked Astrokey if I knew you could whip up such a great map so fast. Thanks. Snottygobble 04:49, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
In case you haven't noticed: I've put a to-do list on Talk:Banksia brownii. Snottygobble 05:37, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

I've added a heap of information on flower anatomy/morphology into the description section, and spruced a few other sections up a bit. I also created a stub for anthesis (where I used your menziesii pic) and made a start on Banksia sect. Oncostylis.

I just need to try to improve some clunky prose in the "Description" section, and I'll be ready for it to go to GA. Once the last few red links are done, and barring useful feedback from the GA process, it should be ready for FA. Snottygobble 02:35, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Yep, better without the extra bush size stuff. I reverted a non-sentence phrase, and tried to fix some yucky flower description. THis is getting better every day. I'm starting to feel good about FA now. Snottygobble 03:36, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
I got Edward to run his Linkfix Bot on the article. See Talk:Banksia brownii. Pretty nifty, huh? Snottygobble 03:38, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
Your B. menziesii pic is taking over the world. See {{User WPBanksia}}. Snottygobble 05:28, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
nice, yet I think there are better picts then this one. Gnangarra 05:31, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
Sorry, I took the whorl image out because menziesii isn't in that series, and it is most important that the article be illustrated by a member. Also being whorled isn't diagnostic for the series, menziesii being an example of a species with whorled leaves that belongs in some other series. Snottygobble 05:53, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
My faulty I should have check that fact first..Gnangarra 05:54, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
Re: "making more work", not at all. If you look closely I've pretty much used your info. All I've done is impose a structure on it that I've basically copy-pasted from elsewhere. The only new info I added was the view that it was an old series since it was on both sides of the Nullarbor.
I think we're all done here. I'll ask Cas for his blessing. Also I'll ask Tony1 for a copyedit, but let's not wait for him. If Cas is happy, then as soon it suits you, take it to GA, or PR, or FA, or whatever you think best. Snottygobble 06:02, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

EPBC

My rewrite reads better (IMO) but contains less information. You might like to review the new version to see if I removed anything important, and if so, try to ease it back in again. Snottygobble 07:08, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

DYK question

What did you mean with "Fyodor Pirotsky wasnt associated with tramway". Did you refer to the first electric tramway, the one listed in the previous DYK item or something entirely different? - Mgm|(talk) 21:09, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

B v Start

Sorry, you were right and I was wrong. After reviewing the assessment criteria, it seems I've been judging these articles rather too harshly. I make no apology for high standards :-D but I think your assessment was better. Snottygobble 06:42, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Your edit to Wikipedia:WikiProject Australia/Project banner

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sorry accidental deletion of information I was copying to create similar for another project, tawkerbot4 reverted b4 I coould Gnangarra

Wikifilms

I noticed that you reentered the "Request a picture" point on the Wikifilms project page. Does that comment have to be there? Could you give some insight as to why? I removed it because it seems to be hardly ever used and that section is pretty much the project's charter (or whatever). Some insights would be helpful.--P-Chan 06:55, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

It's important, I understand. However... it's not a major activity of our project. Perhaps we could move the link further down in the page? Maybe around images, etc? Tell me what you think.--P-Chan 15:26, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Your article, Banksia ser. Spicigerae, was selected for DYK!

Updated DYK query On July 16, 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Banksia ser. Spicigerae, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Thanks for your contributions! ++Lar: t/c 05:12, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Kings Park Walk

Hope you took photos and notes as well  :) SatuSuro 11:53, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

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B.b. review

My apologies if my edits to the article undermined your position that no such edits were necessary. I agree that the edits weren't necessary or even relevant to whether or not it meets the good article criteria. I was trying to improve the article, not improve its standing against the Good article criteria. I remain of the opinion that it meets all the criteria fair and square. Snottygobble 02:52, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

It doesnt undermine as I arguing on complying to criteria alone, your rewording doesnt change that, also worldtraveller is was a good reviewer to get who always demands that the articles only get assessed according to criteria. Gnangarra 02:56, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
Yes, you're right. I'm burning my (our) bridges. I'll leave it alone. Sorry and thanks. Snottygobble 23:59, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Chippers Leap

I feel rather awkward - have tried contacting off-line, havent had a reply, and am facing a conundrum (?) with a subsidiary article to the guildford article - to me it is truly an orphan or an ad - but then the same could be said of mine with above name. as you are involved with the ga and all, would be very interested in your opinion of the subsidiary (bit like the avoidance of mentioning the name trick...) as to whether it should be left alone or not. i dont mean to be mean to the guy, hes obviously trying to avoid being done for an ad, but...trust you follow my gist . Thanks and as for suggest bot above - would be very interested on a couple of them as to what you think (seeing I started a couple :) ) SatuSuro 12:31, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Hey thanks for delisting the stub - I sort of feel very awkward about starting an art, more or less doing most then not having any peer/other checks at all - most of my west tas arts are like that, sort of an independent kingdom of vcxlor/satu suro and western tasmania a bit eerie at times  :) or should that be :- so thanks for your bits and pieces, will explain the merapi thing at great length off-line later! Thanks again SatuSuro 14:24, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
I went a bit loopy after 24 ended tonight when the kids decided to stay up to watch a dvd, so please take the email as a reflection of rain spattered paternal craziness :) SatuSuro 16:28, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
Thought you might be around, clearly you are not a hills person :) if your box was a start it needs lots of work. Gawks, the whole mdg shire suburbs need one if one gets one, sigh :)

Is it possible to put modifications in a box like this? I mean postcode would be better than the crappy Perth, Wester Australia header which is bloody misleading??SatuSuro 13:38, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Bushfires, god dont get too pesky about that one, we've had one a year for the last three years or so. But news reports and memory :) and other things do get in the way. Two of them at least started on the geographic location of Greenmount Hill (but in the admin boundary of Boya,Western Australia) and threatened Darlington due to prevailing winds. One at least started in the very inapropriately named Hudman Road quarry and threatened Darlington (due to it being on the eastern border of Boya) and if you waited for 8 to 10 house going first - it would have threatened the primary school. Bushfire history in the hills is made for big DAB pages as "localities" do not fit neatly into bushfires and vice versa SatuSuro 13:46, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
Saw what you've done to Darlington - I am not impressed by the boxes, specially the Perth, Western Australia at the top - that's rubbish! thats like throwing extra qualifiers that will confuse most outsiders. :( SatuSuro 01:43, 26 July 2006 (UTC) I mean, leading into one of our crappiest articles (Perth) no offence to the good bits, but - surely the suburbs can stand alone? SatuSuro 01:48, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
Sort of explained the latter in an email, apologies for filling your talk page with this stuff  :( SatuSuro 10:27, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Minor edits

Hi, I noticed that on your contribution to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/RuneScape armour (2nd nomination), you incorrectly set your contribution to minor when it was quite a significant edit, which is considered bad form. Considering reading Help:Minor edit to prevent you accidentally doing this in future? Thankyou :) Halo 12:46, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

thanks for reminder, changed preference to minor for a series of edits cause by a change to a template. Gnangarra

== Please help - collateral damage ==

Could you please provide the pertaining IP-number, so I can check the block which caused the collateral damage. Has the blocking admin been contacted? Lectonar 12:50, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

The IP itself hasn't been blocked, so it could just be an autoblock...I can't handle this from here (as I'm editing from work right now)...so give me some time til I get home...btw, which admin have you contacted? Lectonar 12:59, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
Ps.: autoblocks normally stay for only 24 hours... Lectonar
There is nothing on the talk-page of the IP you gave me, and when were the contributions of the admins you mentioned? Lectonar 13:05, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
I've unblocked him (hopefully); Sorry it took so long. I've left a message on his talk-page. Lectonar 13:17, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
So it did work? Btw, thanks for the virtual goodies; if you're ever in Berlin, I'll take up your offer. Lectonar 13:20, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Emu

Thanks for those comments. It seems they made Emu beer first, and named the brewery after the beer, the swan got a hold of the brand and expanded it a bit. I've changes the section a bit to reflect this.--Peta 05:56, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Brewery History and memory - not a good combination! Ya need the texts I say! :) SatuSuro 06:06, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
I can just see it in a pseuds (aka Barry Everage or Edna Humphrise sic) post modernist critique of the dead hotels of Strahan, Tasmania - the mariner and his alcohol, the sub text of drinking before going through Hell's Gates (Tasmania) er, hmmm SatuSuro 10:54, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Following you

No, not at all. I have a HUGE watchlist, that's all. There's not a lot you can do in the Western Australia space without me noticing. I@n and Satusuro have also commented in the past that it seemed like I was following them around. Sometimes it seems like I@n and/or Rebecca are following me around. Today Circeus and I have appeared on a series of the same pages for no apparent reason. It's all part of the mystery that is Wiki. :-) Snottygobble 11:35, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

P.S. I think rolling out that Sports section into a separate article was an excellent idea. Good on you. Snottygobble 11:37, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
It aint no mystery - thats the domain of the lake and river category makers :) The late Douglas Adams like any writer with any appreciation of the english language had an intense dislike for the word "lifestyle" it shall never return to Perth or WA as long as I have the courage to have them on my watchlist :0 As for lurking, I know that those I trust I watch their activity as a favour - all the unmentionable animals prowl when you guys are getting your reality in shape (oh hell another douglas adams quandary and logical conundrum) and I avoid mine like the plague :) SatuSuro 11:54, 27 July 2006 (UTC).
I know what you mean. I figure Rebecca must have a watch on my Contributions page. Every time I write a new politician article she pounces on it. This is a good thing because she find a typo or worse virtually every time. Snottygobble 12:36, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
And now, just to prove myself wrong, I've followed you to Carl Meissner and Wikipedia talk:What is a good article?. I promise to give you some space now. Snottygobble 12:36, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Photos

Just came across your photo collection for the first time, and just wished to compliment you on the quality. ρ¡ρρµ δ→θ∑ - (waarom? jus'b'coz!) 12:05, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Thank you Gnangarra

Cape Leeuwin

I just wish I had a jpeg or scan of the copper compass dial with the distances to other places which sits next to the road on the way to the lighthouse... which i dont! :( SatuSuro 13:46, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Someone may just have one or lurking around. Gnangarra 13:48, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
You might have something for Cape Naturaliste? It was red forever, and following the french thing of the moment realised a glaring red title needed blueifiying SatuSuro 13:54, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

2 latest banksia photos

Hi - the first is Banksia ashbyi (marvellous plant that it is), the second is indeed a yellow Banksia menziesii. Nice aren't they? Cas Liber 10:03, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Boiling?! Who told you that? No, seriously, seeds are fairly easy to get out. Easiest was is with a gas jet on a stove or a blowtorch. Hold spike in a pair of tongs in the naked flame until the pods open, you want to see at least a couple of mm gap. Then dunk quickly in and out of a glass of water and let dry. The water helps the follicles open more. The leave for a few hours or a day or two if you have the patience. If follicles are open wide enough you should be able to just bash the spike on the ground and the seeds will fall out. Otherwise I generally use a pair of tweezers to pull them out. A three layered thingy will fall out (woody separator with 2 seeds, generally seed is nonviable bu this varies from species to species). Commonest mistake is to not burn the cone long enough with th follicles not oopening enough. Seeds are dead easy to germinate. Just stick in some perlite or seed raising mix in a tube and water. They will take a few weeks to appear usually.

Other method is to stcik cone in oven for a couple of hours but I like to see what I am doing. cheers Cas Liber 21:21, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Banksia/Drafts/Ecology of Banksia

Gudday.

I'll be offline for the next twenty hours or so. If you're bored and want something to do, Wikipedia:WikiProject Banksia/Drafts/Ecology of Banksia just needs a nice opening paragraph and it will be ready to be moved to Ecology of Banksia.

It also needs a copyedit, especially enforcement of our "B. integrifolia (Coast Banksia)" convention; but I don't think we should hold up moving it into the main space for this.

Once it is in the main space, it will need a {{main}} link from Banksia#Ecology; and a {{see also}} link from Banksia brownii#Ecology.

Oh, and it needs quality and importance ratings.

Only if you're bored mind you. No-one is going to die because this stuff doesn't get done until tomorrow.

Snottygobble 05:47, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Your a mind reader I had just gone to the article and was taking some note to form a lead. Gnangarra 05:49, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
That was a hospital ball I reckon. The intro was the hardest part of the whole article and I handballed it to you. :-) I couldn't think of a decent structure for it, but yours was excellent — a paragraph on interactions with natural environment then a paragraph on interactions with people. I kept the structure, but have largely rewritten the text. Snottygobble 12:45, 2 August 2006 (UTC)