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[edit] Editor repeatedly misrepresenting sources
Hi, around 13 of Feb you posted the following
I note that you are in what appears to be an d edit war with Prester John on the David Hicks article, you have reverted 3 times please consider yourself cautioned about WP:3RR and that you may be blocked. Gnangarra 02:31, 13 January 2008 (UTC) on my talk page.
The reversions were over a source being misrepresented on a BLP, unsourced accusations being placed on a BLP.
I now realise that your warning was contrary to WP:BLP which explicitly excludes such reverts. SmithBlue (talk) 17:43, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
- It was the 13 January I also warned Prester John [1] WP:3RR says that all parties should be warned before blocking, if you have a problem with a blp issue instead of revert warring you should post to WP:AN/I or WP:BLP/N and get outside view normally an admin, who can protect/block where appropriate. I didnt see any reference to a blp issue in the edit summaries before warning, only edit summaries typical of POV warring. Also when warned you should have raise the issue at the time if I was aware of a BLP issue(to me it was only a wording issue) I would have been able to take appropriate steps. Gnangarra 00:00, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the suggestion of WP:BLP/N - I am still learning - though my edit summs of
01:16, 13 January 2008 (hist) (diff) David Hicks (the refrernce cited is for allegations - pls find another reference or discuss on talk page why you think we should put these allegations forward as being proved unsourced)
02:08, 13 January 2008 (hist) (diff) David Hicks (revert - the reference you supply does not contain the "facts" you claim. pls see discussion page)
02:40, 13 January 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:Gnangarra (→David Hicks allegations: Hopefully someone else will enforce WP:BLP)
do not seem to me typical of "POV warring" - but then what do I know? PresterJohn did the same edit one month later. When I took this issue to ANI I got no response. So at present have no confidence in WP admins enforcing boundaries on editors or my understanding of policies and procedures. See [[2]] for my latest attempt to make sense of this issue. SmithBlue (talk) 05:41, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Admin Coaching Re-confirmation
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[edit] Would appreciate
When you have a time to have a look at indonesian project noticeboard conversation about lists that might start up or not - i think we will need an admin watching :( SatuSuro 13:33, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] East Timor invasion and occupation
Thank you for your comments on Indonesian occupation of East Timor (1975-1999). I've worked very hard to keep it NPOV, and I'm more than a little frustrated that – despite my obvious willingness to work with you to clear up the issue – you've taken it to GA re-assessment so quickly.
However, my main goal right now is to clear up the concerns you have, so let's find a way to do this. If I moved the discussion of foreign powers (US, Japan, Australia, Canada, Britain) to a separate section, would this satisfy your objection? Please give me some guidance to help satisfy your concerns. Thanks again! – Scartol • Tok 14:13, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
- I've made the changes described above, and removed the references to trade between Indonesia, Japan and Canada as you requested. Cheers! – Scartol • Tok 20:19, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
- I believe we've got a problem here. The image at the top of the page and the caption with it were not POV. The caption was cited, and the image was more than appropriate for the top of the article. (I searched very hard to find that image.) Listing it as simply a donated item does not represent how the East Timorese feel about it, and therefore the current caption is, in my opinion, itself POV.
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- I understand your concern and I'm very conscious of the potential for conflict of interest vis a vis myself and the East Timor article. However, I think (hope) you'll agree that I've been very careful to adhere to the requirements for WP:V, WP:RS and – though you may disagree, I swear to you that I have been trying – WP:NPOV. I'm more than willing to work with you to balance the POV you see in the article, and I ask that you please assume good faith as I work to bring this article to featured status. Clearly the MilHist project believes that it's NPOV enough to merit an A-class rating, so I wonder if perhaps we could work together? Cheers. – Scartol • Tok 02:13, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
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[edit] Admin coaching
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[edit] Talk:Nicola Roxon
Keep an eye... Timeshift (talk) 09:20, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] The quiz
I will start taking the quiz right now. Thank you! Cuyler91093 (Contribs) 04:37, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
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[edit] Admin Coaching
I see you have matched with me for Admin Coaching.Im 5faizan. I have been working for Wikipedia for nearly 10 months.The reason for me becoming an admin is i want to stop vandalism on wikipedia and to make WIKIPEDIA a safe place.I hope we can become friends in the future! Have a great day! I hope we can become friends in the future! Have a great day! remove your name from the list. 5faizan (talk) 20:00 27 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] About admin stuff
I took the quiz, and I noticed that I am not familiar with the concepts by its abbreviated name (i.e. GAR, SSP), but I know what most of them are by their real names (i.e. Good Article Reassessment and Suspected Sock Puppets). Cuyler91093 (Contribs) 03:34, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Happy birthday
Hope you're having a good one. Hesperian 05:00, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Happy tenth birthday, my friend
I'm a bit late but Happy Birthday, Mr Gnangarra. :)
This is only Gnangarra's tenth birthday so it's rather special - he's finally reached double digits!
Hope you had a good day, Gnang. And I'm sorry I'm a bit late, but it's still your birthday by the Wikipedia clock so I reckon that's what we should go by! Anyway, happy birthday my friend. I hope you have a very happy and healthy year ahead. Cheers, Sarah 18:05, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
- Happy Birthday from me as well. :) Acalamari 18:09, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
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Thanks all, Gnangarra 02:02, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Airport reversions
You obviously don't know the background to the Indonesia airport related edits from 125.164.x.x addresses. A pattern of massive and continual vandalism has been happening for months now. More details are available on Wikipedia:Requests_for_checkuser/Case/Vitrox92. AGF faith isn't practical or necessary on the scale this vandal operates at. If you you saying you time to double-check their edits everyday to see if there is any shard of truth among the flood of hoaxes then good luck to you, but you obviously haven't checked any of the information contained in them because you would have seen the bulk of the information inserted is hoax information. As an administrator I would expect you would apply AGF to established editors such as myself before undoing edits, but who knows why you haven't? (Caniago (talk) 14:00, 1 March 2008 (UTC))
- I have reverted my edits, but the IP isnt in the range listed in the CU suggest you request another CU to confirm its associated. Gnangarra 14:06, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Indonesian School list
I have thought about it carefully - it is crazy - proyek gila - in Indonesian - I will try to ask all involved for it to be abandoned SatuSuro 14:38, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Nicola Roxon
I've just put in Nicola's support for Israel and how her father and family influenced her like you suggested. GaryGazza (talk) 21:25, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
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[edit] How to get attention
Hi Gnan - it took a while to get Roxon exposed to other editors to get more people involved in the commenting, I now have a problem at Anthony Albanese with a WP:WEIGHT issue but nobody has taken notice of the post I left on the talk page. Where do you suggest is a central page that is suitable to raise problems with pages such as those for individual MPs/ministers? Timeshift (talk) 23:56, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
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[edit] Leah Haywood
Second opinion needed if you have a chance. Article is pretty much unreferenced and the editor seems determined to include NPOV info re her management and production companies. I've left a message on his/her talk page but am not getting any response. —Moondyne click! 02:09, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
[edit] New account
Hi admin coach, this is my new account (click on the red). Thank you! おべんとう むすび (Contributions) 20:15, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
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- Please read WP:SIG Gnangarra 01:08, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
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- Please take the time to read WP:SIG. also User:????? ??? is indefinitely blocked. If you want to be an admin you need to be able to communicate with people and enter discussions in a meaningful way the current signature doesnt exactly promote that. Gnangarra 01:11, 14 March 2008 (UTC) the posted note Gnangarra 04:42, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
- I'm not sure I understand your message. I wish you spoke with more context as to what you say. What if somebody just came onto your page and said that this guy who you have no idea who he or she is is blocked? Exactly my sentiments. おべんとう むすび (Contributions) 01:58, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
- Does this make you happy, master? The Obento Musubi (Contributions) 02:00, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
- Okay, well, all I see are question marks, and my signature is just the Japanese equivalent to my username. – The Obento Musubi (Contributions) 04:50, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
- What I was saying that I was expecting a "Hey," or something nice, but you just reply with "Read WP:SIG". It sounds a bit impersonal to me. That's all. – The Obento Musubi (Contributions) 07:39, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
- Okay, well, all I see are question marks, and my signature is just the Japanese equivalent to my username. – The Obento Musubi (Contributions) 04:50, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
- Does this make you happy, master? The Obento Musubi (Contributions) 02:00, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
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Gn, I think there may have been a misunderstanding caused by undisplayable characters/fonts on your machine. TOM's previous signature didn't like like ????? ??? to me. It looked like... well, there's no point writing it, because it will only come out looking to you like ????? ??? again. But it was Japanese. I'm guessing your machine didn't know how to render this character set, so substituted question marks instead.
I think this rather proves your point though — signatures that require a special character set are not really appropriate.
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- But it's weird, because my computer renders my signature properly. – The Obento Musubi (Contributions) 07:35, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
- And also, why does the link go to User:????? ???? Shouldn't it go to User:おべんとう むすび instead? Something smells fishy to me. – The Obento Musubi (Contributions) 07:36, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
[edit] 1999-00 Australian region cyclone season
Firstly, I've made a response to your concern which I think you'd be interested in answering to. Also, could you please maybe adding a little review about what the article can be improved, since I see that you are currently searching through Aussie articles for potential GAs. I'm interested in giving this article a go. Thanks. RaNdOm26 (talk) 15:01, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
[edit] User:ClearsightWisdom
ClearsightWisdom, who you blocked today, has made an unblock request. Aparently, you think he's a sockpuppet of DavidYork71. Can you please give some evidence that they are, in fact, the same person? עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 14:50, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
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[edit] Re: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Fraternities and Sororities at George Mason University
I noticed you have closed the AfD as No Consensus. Is it possible to relist this AfD without nominating it for the second time? Thanks. - Jameson L. Tai talk ♦ contribs 07:13, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
[edit] AFD typo
I think you're missing the word not from your closing statement here. Neier (talk) 13:17, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Zlango
I have asked JzG why he has been editing an AfD which you closed (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zlango). Should he be doing this? --Gavin Collins (talk) 12:20, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
- Yes. I'm unlinking (not deleting) an unreliable and copyright-violating source, per WP:C and WP:RS. WP:C applies in all namespaces. Guy (Help!) 12:58, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
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[edit] Userpage block
Can I please have my userpage back? :-) Timeshift (talk) 02:13, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
[edit] dubious
Its rubbish - no third party ref - its amazing how long stuff like that can sit there unchallenged - SatuSuro 22:58, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
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[edit] Hilarious
Kudos for your answer to Does 'the cabal' play an influence in the project?. You are a cheeky bugger. :P --pfctdayelise (talk) 14:41, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Please reconsider deletion of Star Sonata
Star Sonata has been around for 3 years and has a very dedicated following. There are two tiers of players, free to play and premium. While the number of premium players may be low compared to some AAA MMO's, Star Sonata is an indy project with approximately 100,000 characters active in the last 3 months and allows free play for an unlimited amount of time. It is also notable for some of its unique game design elements in the MMORPG space, specifically that one player can "win" the game by becoming crowned emperor, the world resets every 3-4 months with a new, re-randomized universe, and the heavy emphasis on persistent bases and automated slave ships that are always up and running even when the player is logged out. Premium memberships have also been doubling every 6 months for the last year. The 400 number of premium users that you cited as reason for deletion is very old, and not relevant compared to the number of active free to play players.
I have looked at the Notability guidelines for Wikipedia. Star Sonata is listed in, and has its own forum section at, MMORPG.com, the premier MMOPRG site here: http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm?SETVIEW=overview&GAMEID=160&bhcp=1, is listed at IGN: http://pc.ign.com/objects/710/710931.html, has a full review at Game Zone magazine: http://pc.gamezone.com/gzreviews/r25030.htm, as well as being listed and reviewed at many other sites. Google for "Star Sonata" results in 67,400 hits. I apologize for not participating in the discussion about deletion earlier, but as I said, this is an Indy game and we don't have a full time marketing person or people to watch this sort of thing. I believe that Star Sonata does pass the notability guidelines as listed in Wikipedia. Please reconsider the deletion or if there is some formal process for reconsideration, please let me know. Thanks. JeffL (talk) 21:25, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
- the discussion you refer to is from September 2007. From your comment above I apologize for not participating in the discussion about deletion earlier, but as I said, this is an Indy game and we don't have a full time marketing person or people to watch this sort of thing, raises some serious concerns over a conflict of interest. WP:WEB as a guideline has changed since September and what was required then is not the same as the requirements now, I didnt cite any reason for deletion the discussion said that there was only ~400 players at that time. Normally I'd offer to restore it to your user space for the issues raised at AfD to be addressed first but under the circumstances presented, what I recommend is that you list it at WP:DRV and highlighting your COI and ask for the community to make a decision. Gnangarra 21:57, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
- OK, I added it here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2008_April_4#Star_Sonata), which I think is the correct place. Thanks. JeffL (talk) 22:10, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Image revert
Why did you revert my image, I cropped it to make certain features stand out more in the photo, can you please explain. --User:Adam.J.W.C. (talk) (talk) 08:44, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
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- The image that you deleted of the photo id is from wiki commons. They are two images blended in. --User:Adam.J.W.C. (talk) (talk) 08:45, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
- If I can find the originals on Commons would that help. --User:Adam.J.W.C. (talk) (talk) 09:06, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
- http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Bosnia_And_Herzegowina_ID_issued_13_12_2007.jpg
[edit] Deletion review glitch
[edit] Deletion Review for Allison Sudradjat
An editor has asked for a deletion review of Allison Sudradjat. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article, speedy-deleted it, or were otherwise interested in the article, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:17, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
Yes I was too hasty in recreating it and should have gone to DRV in the first place. I am listing it there as all the info on Arbcom etc. suggests the creator was indef blocked rather than banned. Unless I am missing something. Anyway, I did place it back as it had been improved and new sourcing found since the original AfD in May 2007. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:17, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
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[edit] Notice - 3RR
Thank you for stopping us Gnangarra. I really need a break, and this situation isn't constructive at all. Have a nice day Iunaw (talk) 17:36, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
[edit] A warm inner glow....
[3] Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 19:37, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Estelle Blackburn
Thankyou for your comment on the disputed content. I have reinstated the paragraph, amended as per your advice. Retarius | Talk 09:16, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Notice - Impersonation
In his trolling efforts User:Dvescovi has added a 3RR template with your signature to my talk page Iunaw (talk) 13:43, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
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[edit] RS
Can you please tell if this RS or not? I am confused. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 01:35, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
- Thank you very much. Two utter nonsensical articles have been written Peaknik and Doomer. Regarding this, hotted discussion is going on in AfD debates. I am trying to clean up wikipedia of these trivial article, but I am alone here, people are coming and voting keep without justifying anything. I don't know if this happens, what wikipedia will turn into. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 01:53, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Merbabu?
Send him flowers....ask him to go on a date...what a loser you are! Emerson —Preceding unsigned comment added by Domaleixo (talk • contribs)
- Hey, please don't revert non-vandalism edits on my talk page. Wikipedia:Canvassing doesn't count in my mind. Thanks! --Falcorian (talk) 05:05, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
- Similar to the above, would you mind explaining this edit on my talk page when you have a sec? Cheers, :) SGGH speak! 07:30, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
- The editor was harassing Merbabu, he has been blocked previously for the same thing, all related to the same article, as its solely a troll my actions are justified. If you want to revert feel free to do so but I have no such intention of giving credence to who take such action. Gnangarra 07:47, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
Bit of a defensive response, I was only asking, but okay that's fair enough. Thanks for the prompt response, Gnangarra. SGGH speak! 09:32, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
- Hi. User:Domaleixo aka "Emerson" added a post to my Talk page about the infobox in the article Portuguese Timor.
You apparently deleted this post from my Talk page.
Please don't do this. It's not polite.
-- Writtenonsand (talk) 12:03, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
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- Re your comments about this on my Talk page --
- - "Deletion was justified." - I don't know whether I'd agree that deletion was "justified" or not. In any case, I would prefer to see such posts for myself and make up my own mind on their merits or lack thereof.
- - "do we accept such actions against a long time contributor, IMHO we dont!" - Again, I would prefer to make up my own mind whether or not I "accept" any particular actions, and I can hardly do that if other people delete them before I see them. (Or at least I then have to track them down in the edit history.)
- - "you could have saved some time by reading my talk page ... rather than furthering the drama along" - Frankly, I think that was rude of you. I don't like drama and seek to defuse it when I see it rather than encouraging it.
- Disagreeing with people or mentioning policies to them is not in and of itself "trolling" or "drama". It really bothers me to see how incredibly sensitive many people are to disagreement and criticism, and how their first response is hostility rather than civility.
- - "the troll that is being feed." - IMHO "to acknowledge the existence of a troll" and "to feed a troll" are often two different things. I was not aware of User:Domaleixo's behavior until he posted to my Talk page. If he's trolling, I'll probably recognize that for myself, and I may be inclined to act against such behavior. If you hide trolling, people don't see it, don't recognize it, and won't act against it.
- -- Bottom line: Please let people decide for themselves how to react to posts. If somebody is trolling, then by doing so you'll gain allies against them. Have a good one. -- Writtenonsand (talk) 13:18, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
