Talk:Glottalization
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To the anon who's been editing lately, and User:Florian G. if you're the same person: Thanks for your great additions, but it would be good if you could please use standard IPA characters. If you look in the Insert box that appears below the row of buttons marked "Save page / Show preview / Show changes" you will find the IPA characters. (Note that ə is grouped together with "Characters" rather than "IPA", and Greek letters are in "Greek".) Also, please enclose IPA transcriptions with the IPA template thus: type {{IPA|[ˈwɔːʔə]}} to get [ˈwɔːʔə]. Finally, please do not use the first person in an article (don't say things like "as far as I know" or the like) and please do not sign your user name to the article. Wikipedia is a collaborative effort, meaning every article has several authors, as listed in the page history. Thanks! User:Angr 12:26, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Factual Error based on careless Anglocentrism
- "In a general way, glottalization can affect only voiceless consonnants such as /p/, /t/ or /k/, not forgetting /tʃ/ for pre-glottalization mainly."
This is only true in English, but in a worldwide scale, glottalization usually occurs with voiced plosives (b,d and, sometimes, g), particularly in Africa and Southeast Asia, whereas voiceless plosives are the least affected consonants. So please let's be less anglocentric and think of Linguistics globally. This isn't an article about English phonetics, this is an article about phonetics written in English...
[edit] More on Anglocentrism
The term glottalization is also used for the phenomenon in a wide variety of languages of how vowels can have different final articulations. Glottalization of a vowel is ending the vowel with a glottal stricture or even stop, in contrast to length, breathy or fading articulation, etc. The same process can apply to consonants producing over time a series of ejectives. This article doesn't address these at all, but instead talks mostly about how glottalization exists in English. The entire article would be better titled "Glottalization in English". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.235.158.71 (talk • contribs)
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- Yanesha' language has short, long, and "laryngeal" or glottalized vowels. I think we can include that information in here. Ƶ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɻɛ̃ⁿdˡi] 21:35, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
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- I did a major rewrite to address the anglocentrism. Most of the examples in English were sort of redundant anyway, but if anyone feels like the data I've taken out is important, it can always go into Cockney and Estuary English. Ƶ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɻɛ̃ⁿdˡi] 22:40, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
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[edit] Cockney and Estuary English
I don't want to have a go but this is another article that states that glottalisation in Britain is primarily a Cockney or Southern accent feature. I can't think of any accent here (in the UK) which doesn't at least have the option of using the glottal stop and this has been the case for a long time. What's more, virtually nobody speaks true cockney any more, it's very rare to hear it. Most Londoners use a very different dialect that is difficult to follow for non-Brits (and sometimes for Brits as well). Maybe it's a fault with the linguistics textbooks and so can't be easily verified but this seems to be a widely held misconception abroad. In the interests of accuracy I wondered if any proper experts know sources that are a bit more up to date and so can back this up. Cameronlad 19:50, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
Is the "very different dialect" you are referring to Estuary English or the Caribbean/American/whatever-influenced modern London dialect? Estuary English is supposedly very common in the UK. However, as you said, it is not "true Cockney". 208.104.45.20 (talk) 04:21, 24 December 2007 (UTC)