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[edit] City Seal, County Map creation

Who Created the Seal / County Map for this page? --Anon 06:34, Aug 22, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Nazi past

I'm not sure I understand the correlation between the American Nazi Party having offices in Glendale and swastikas from the 1920's. I don't think that the old lamp posts have any relevance. Willmcw 05:46, 18 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I have incorporated the reference to the American Nazi Party in the History section, where it belongs. And I moved the reference to the swastikas on the lamp post to the swastika article, because it has nothing to do with Nazism and is irrelevant to Glendale's past. If anyone disgrees, please state your reasons here. Willmcw 21:15, 23 Nov 2004 (UTC)
The swastikas on the lamp-posts have nothing to do with Nazism: it's a symbol that dates back thousands of years. To read Glendale's official position on the lamp-post issue, read their statement. Here's an exerpt:
Obviously, the recitation of the aforementioned history is totally unrelated
in any way to the now universally recognized symbol of hate that was utilized
in Nazi Germany during the 1930's and 1940's. However, it must be noted that
the symbol itself as adopted by the Nazis is distinctly different. The Nazi
swastika, and more particularly the swastika utilized by the Nazis as the
official emblem of their flag (which became the official emblem in 1935) while
a "gammadion" is more commonly known as a "hakenkreuz", and is a symbol with
its outer ends or arms rotated in a clockwise (not in a counter-clockwise)
position.
-Kevinmooney 17:39, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Nazis in Glendale?

according to the article on Rockwell, headquarters of the ANP were in Arlington. Whence Glendale?

I've seen one reference that calls it the "West Coast" headquarters. Perhaps there were two. -Willmcw 14:39, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
In case anybody is still wondering whence Glendale, the info accompanying two 1964 photos in the L.A. Public Library's online photo database reveal that Ralph Forbes, then the commander of the western division of the ANP, was living in a house at 823 E. Colorado Boulevard ("Boulevard" being an error, as it has always been called Colorado "Street" in Glendale) and using his residence as the western headquarters for the party. The text accompanying one photo mentions the City of Glendale refusing to turn on the electricity to the house. Whyaduck 03:25, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the information. Using the name "Ralph Forbes", I was able to find this picture, entitled "Neo-Nazi group in Glendale, 1965". It depicts Ralph Forbes and Robert Ernest Giles wearing Nazi-style "military" uniforms in what seems to be someone's living room. There are also two interesting photographs in the same collection depicting "Anti Neo-Nazi picketers", also in 1965. Mike Dillon 03:39, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Removal of "racial tension" in education section

I removed the description of "racial tensions" between "Hispanic" population and Armenians because information that is this controversial should be verified with a citation from a reliable source from the press or academia. If you revert my edit please take this into consideration and find a source for your claims.68.67.22.222 04:45, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

All a person has to do is open the LA Times. Unfortunately I don't have access to Lexis-Nexis or other old newspaper search-item. It's not a tension that plagues all aspects of society, just the poorer communities of both groups, and no worse (relatively speaking) than any other gang violence. Still, it is divided among those two ethnicities because of their predominance in the area. To call it "controversial" is a bit much, really. --Bobak 23:20, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
I've read about it in the newspaper too. -Will Beback 06:03, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
Theres tons of references online, including LA Times, la weekly etc. Artaxiad 01:56, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Valley Valley Etymology

Glen means "valley", Dale means "valley". So "Glendale" means "Valley Valley". I always thought that was cute and might be worth mentioning. DavidRF 03:23, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ban on outdoor grilling

Anyone else hear about the ban on outdoor grilling being upheld? The Mayor of Glendale has been firm about this, many residents have complained about Armenian establishments grilling putrid smelling food, (I personally enjoy Armenian food) but I think it's very unique about Glendale that you can't grill outdoors. How should we add this to the article?--Caligvla 02:15, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Great idea, I've added it to the demographics section (I personally love Armenian food too, but don't live in an area where I'd smell it all day because of outdoor grilling). --Kevinmooney 19:54, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
I believe that outdoor grilling is banned for establishments not for the local population. [1] Zoli Elo 04:02, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Assessment

I added an assessment of this article according to Wikipedia:WikiProject Southern California/Assessment. I have rated the current quality as "B-Class" and the importance as "High". On the quality rating, I waffled between "Start" and "B" because the article is roughly complete, but what is there needs some substantial editing to be a useful encyclopedia article. Two particular things I noticed is that the "Scientology" section seems overwrought...

(Scientology section cleaned up / condensed) -Kevinmooney 20:25, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

...and there is nothing in the article body about the city government (only in the infobox). The sections that are there should probably be standardized. As for importance, I rated the article as "High" because Glendale is the third most populous city in Los Angeles County. It is possibly only "Mid". Mike Dillon 17:55, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

There is a good list of typical sections for a U.S. city article at Wikipedia:WikiProject Cities#Template for a U.S. City. Mike Dillon 18:50, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

One of the first things that should probably happen is that the huge "History" section should be moved out into History of Glendale, California in summary style. Mike Dillon 20:51, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

I don't think the "History" section is huge. Unless someone is planning to expand it I don't think that it is long enough to merit splitting out. -Will Beback · † · 19:32, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
It's 16 paragraphs and 2.5 screenfuls at 1024x768 (at least with my fonts). It's also bigger than the rest of the article text combined. How big do you think it needs to be to be split out? Mike Dillon 20:23, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
(It's only two screenfuls on my setup. Compare that to Bakersfield, California, which has three screens full of history.) It'd take a couple of paragraphs to summarize, so I'm not sure we'd gain much. Is there a need to shorten the article? We didn't split out the history of Los Angeles until it had grown to seven screens full, and now the remaining summary has grown to seven paragraphs (1.5 screens). That was clearly overdue, but I think that removing the modest history section wouldn't help the article. -Will Beback · † · 22:29, 20 November 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Safety

How about pointing out that Glendale was rated one of the top ten safest cities in America? http://losangeles.about.com/od/cityinfo/qt/safecity2005.htm Hakob 00:22, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Before adding to any WP city article a link to such a report (which, despite what the wording used in it implies, was NOT compiled by the FBI itself), it's useful to read the FBI's stated reasons for not ranking cities by their crime levels- http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/about/variables_affecting_crime.html Even though Glendale would not be adversely affected by this particular report, including mention of it in the article would be likely to contribute to the public perception that such reports are are somehow "official," and also to perpetuate the belief that they are much more useful than they really are.

[edit] Suggest removal of wikilinked dates

There are a lot of dates in this article, and they seem to be predominantly linked. I suggest that it does not serve this article to have any of these dates linked, and that it detracts from the readability. I'm not going to count, but just about every year in the 20's is linked, and there are some years that are linked multiple times, etc., etc. Gruber76 23:33, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Only full dates should be linked, because linking allows users to specify the date format in their preferences. Individual years and months shouldn't be linked. It's all in WP:MOS and related pages. ·:·Will Beback ·:· 23:47, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Grand Central Airport needs its own page

Its history is so tied up with the history of flying in the US of A. See the external link recounting it in great detail [1]. Rich and fascinating nostalgia in its detail, and a lump in the throat for all aviation buffs. Please Disney, now you have it, develop it! JohnClarknew (talk) 02:45, 11 May 2008 (UTC)