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[edit] The Citation tag/map conflict

The {{Citations missing|date=February 2007}} tag at the top of the history section is interfereing with system map, I will try and find some references to remove it but if I cant then maybe someone could rejigg it. Gingerblokey 18:10, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

I have added a few more references and removed the tag Gingerblokey 18:18, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Diese Seite auf Deutsch.

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bild:Glasgow_Subway.png

It's true that the subway in Glasgow has picked up the nickname 'Clockwork Orange', but only people outside the city ever use that nickname. Nobody in Glasgow ever actually calls it that.


Well, I would say that it sometimes gets called the Clockwork Orange as a "joke", personally I call it the Underground, but Strathclyde PTE have changed it's name to the Subway, they say that most people called it that anyway.


The Orange Colour was officially known as Strathclyde red, this is now being changed to carmine and cream.


"It is because of Glasgow's geology that the subway was cut with great difficulty through solid rock; this accounts for both the small size of the tunnels and the failure to expand the system"

-In light of the many miles of mainline railway tunnels, active and disused, bore and cut and cover, that criss-cross Glasgow, this sounds highly unlikely and should probably be removed unless it can be verified.


"However, in the nearer future SPT will be looking at replacing the rolling stock to bring their fleet of trains up to date."

-I've removed this section as its point has already been made in the preceeding paragraph.

--Finton Stack

[edit] Livery

Does anyone have a good photograph of the new livery mentioned in the article? David Arthur 21:28, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Probably not - contrary to what the article says most of the trains still use the orange colour Cynical 22:34, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Certainly not true now.

Recently a centre car has been re-painted into Radio Clyde's corporate colours. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.4.212.210 (talk) 16:12, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Liverpool

"It remains one of only two tube-type underground railways in the UK outside London, the other being the Tyne and Wear Metro."

What about Merseyrail? ProhibitOnions 16:06, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

The phrase ‘tube-type underground railway’ may be confusing the issue, but isn’t Merseyrail considered a regular railway — despite its unusual franchising structure — rather than a metro like those of London, Glasgow, and Newcastle? David Arthur 22:45, 30 March 2006 (UTC)


"The Glasgow Subway is a metro system in Glasgow, Scotland; and one of the 3 largest underground (subway) systems in the United Kingdom."

The latter section of this sentence is redundant: there are only 2-3 underground systems in the UK. I've replaced it with 'one of only two underground (subway) systems in the United Kingdom. If anyone wants this changed in light of Newcastle, I won't object, but bear in mind that only around 20% of the Newcastle system is underground, and would be more properly described as a light rail system. FrFintonStack 01:16, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

I wa wondering what would be correct terminology to use - moving walkway or travelator (have i spelt this correctly?) Simply south 22:31, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Travelator\Moving Walkway

I was wondering what would be correct terminology to use - moving walkway or travelator (have i spelt this correctly?) Simply south 22:32, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

It is referred to on the Subway as a travelator. 86.4.212.210 (talk) 16:08, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Subcrawl

The reference to the subcrawl seems very dismissive and brief. Suggest a fuller entry, based around info from the website at subcrawl.co.uk? The subcrawl is a well-established pub crawl route: at one stage it had its own wikipedia page, that has now been deleted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.131.237.212 (talk) 02:29, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Stations

I have created two stations on the Glasgow Subway as a start but they need vast improvement. Also, the rest of the stations need to be created.

The stations i have created are:

Is subway the correct word to use?

Please feel free to create the rest of the stations.

Also can someone create a railbox showuing the Glasgow Subway stations, similar to the National Rail and London Underground ones?

Simply south 19:02, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Correction. I've created most articles on the underground stations. I have used subway as that is what they are called by SPT. I have moved Kelvinhall to its correct page. And also moved Partick as it is an interchange. I have also found a railbox (from the Partick station). However the station articles on most still need to be expanded significantly. I hope they end up similar to LU.

back to Buchanan Street

Simply south 12:28, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Exit points for maintenance

Wondering if anyone understands what is meant by the section I've put into italics below:

Trains used to be hoisted on to and off of the tracks prior to the installing of electric systems and consequently points between Govan and Ibrox where trains can exit the underground tunnel system to terminate for engineering, cleaning or storing.

Is there a bit missing at the end of the sentence, to go with the use of "consequently"? Or is it trying to say that the points between Govan and Ibrox came after the electrification (i.e. perhaps "consequently" was used where "subsequently" was intended)? In any case, it's totally unclear. – Kieran T (talk | contribs) 00:46, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

I think what ought to be said in the italic section is:

"...and consequently points were installed between Govan and Ibrox after the 1977 modernisation that allowed trains to exit the system to gain access to Broomloan Depot for engineering, maintenance and cleaning requirements."

86.4.212.210 (talk) 16:10, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Ridership

Does anyone have annual ridership figures for the subway? 86.0.203.120 02:00, 28 August 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Clockwork Orange

I live in glasgow and I'm not aware of this term being 'frowned upon', although people do tend to call it the 'subway'. NPOv problem? raining girl 19:59, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

I think it might be from Espedair Street, like the Subcrawl thing. I'll have alook and see if I'm right. Remind me if I forget! --Guinnog 20:06, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
As far as I am aware, it has always been the Subway GGPTE tried to call it the Underground after the 1979 refurbishment. The Worthies of Glasgow still called it the Subway. It is just possible that SPT have have realised the enevitable and are recognising the appelation given to the system. As someone who travelled on the Glasgow Subway today Stewart 20:12, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
not disputing 'subway', but rather 'frowned upon'. raining girl 20:31, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
Sorry - mis-understood. The as far as I was aware - and have used - the term Clockwork Orange has been common usage amongst Glaswegians since refurbishment, even recently as the overall orange dis-appears from the trains. Stewart 20:38, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
k, well since two of us are local enough to use the subway and both doubt 'frowned upon' I'm going to take it out. cheers! raining girl 21:02, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
I am sure that Banks is the source for the "frowned upon"; I might replace it with a source. --Guinnog 10:22, 19 November 2006 (UTC)


[edit] The Subway Challenge

In Feburary 2005 a group of students[1] created the "Subway Challenge". Participants had to leave the train at Buchanan Street station and attempt to re-board the same train at St Enoch station. Challengers were free to travel between stations by any means necessary, however due to the fact that Buchanan Street is pedestrianised, motorised travel was not used.

Initially this was intended as a harmless prank and a bit of fun between friends, however an online video[1] of the stunt has become cult viewing resulting in the challenge making the newspapers[2] [3] and the stunt being re-recorded for Channel 4. [citation needed]

Ottb19 23:53, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

I took this out as I thought it unencyclopedic. Maybe I was being too humourless. What do other people think? --Guinnog 23:57, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
Passing by with some comments... For starters the teamteacake.com source you've used isn't a reliable source, given it's the organisation itself. I actually saw the re-recording on TV yesterday... Can't remember if it was C4, ITV or one of those two's digital dross channels; one thing's for sure the re-recording certainly doesn't make it notable since the show is just a TV version of youtube. But the press coverage probably does. Ta/wangi 00:01, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

There is another "Subway Challenge" probably created by students too. It involves getting off at every station and going to the nearest pub to have one drink. This goes on until you start back at the original pub at the first stop. Maybe let's leave that out too... :) Panthro 18:16, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

That's called a Subcrawl and has been around for years, it's not really a variant on a Subway Challenge sort of thing. It's actually really good fun. I think it should be included because it's well known amongst the students in the Glasgow area. Renquist (talk) 23:41, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ridership

Does anyone know why the Subway's ridership figures seem to be declining? (see articles for stations). This seems bizarre since the areas it serves are becoming more built-up and residential and the number of people living, working and socialising in Glasgow is now growing.FrFintonStack 03:08, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Ridership has been declining due to the increasing age and decreasing reliability of the Subway services. The system has had minimal renovation work since its last major overhaul in the 1970s. This coupled with improving rail and bus services is rendering the Subway increasingly uncompetitive. The SPT released a plan statement to modernise and possibly expand the system in the next decade to combat the falling ridership. GullibleKit 20:36, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Map legend for stations

The map is great but according to the Railway line legend the symbol denotes "Interchange station (with suburban or light rail network)". As far as I know the Subway, this would only apply to Buchanan St and Partick. All the others should use the image shoudln't they? I think it's a bit misleading to suggest they all interchange with ScotRail, which clearly they don't!

BTW I love the way Wikipedia maps standardise to the German S-Bahn symbol! :-) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cnbrb (talk • contribs) 18:53, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

When I originally drew the map for this article there were far less symbols to choose from than there are now. I've now amended it to make use of the correct blue symbols for a metro system. There isn't yet a blue version of the proper symbol that I need for the depot. Signalhead 19:36, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Ah, nice work. Makes much more sense now! --Cnbrb 00:00, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Another small note. I have just added Merkland Street to the diagram and used the closest symbol i could find. This is because there doesn't seem to be an icon which shows a closed metro station in tunnel generally. Maybe i should put this on WP:TRAIL. Simply south 17:23, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Old subway ticket

I just found a subway ticket in good condition from 1996 with the old Strathclyde Regional Council logo. I could scan it for inclusion in the article if anyone thinks this would be neat. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.105.228.120 (talk) 21:31, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Third Subway in The World?

This claim may not be true. See Istanbul's Tünel opened in 1875. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.69.129.79 (talk) 00:06, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

I think I have to agree with the you on this point, now my calculus may not be up to scratch, but if Glasgow City and District Railway opened in March 1863 (which runs 5.3Km underground (i.e. like the subway)) and London's underground was opened on and Services began on 10 January 1863 on the Metropolitan Railway and Services, Doesn’t this make Glasgow City and District Railway the second oldest subway in the world opening in 1863? Also FYI to the questions before, the Subway has always been called the Subway to Glesga folk, trying to anglicising it to ‘underground’ never caught on, My father born in 1916 knew it as the Subway and I have always called it the same, as for the ‘Clockwork Orange’ it was sometimes ‘affectionately’ know by this, as for the colour, when I was in school and GGPTE was changing the livery on the buses we were told the colour of the buses and subway livery was ‘German Red’ and not ‘Strathclyde Red’ as previously mentioned, this followed the livery on the Subway after renovation in 1977. Kewlscot (talk) 16:47, 10 May 2008 (UTC)