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[edit] Over Hyped Bust Size

Sorry Gisele fans but this is a really biased article. Gisele is a small busted model with very slim hips and virtually no waist to hip ratio. The photo that ran in Vogue announcing the return of the sexy model was heavily photoshoped to enlarge her breasts which are claerly only a 34B and were hyped beyond belief. Check this link out for an unbiased comparison.

Neither Kelly Brook nor Lucy Pinder are fashion models. All terms are relative. The July 1999 Vouge Cover of Gisele, and accompanying editorial are widely viewed in the fashion industry as the offical end of the "waif" or "heroin chic" era of runway models. Compared to Roseann Barr, Gisele is quite thin. But she is a Supermodel, and when compared to the Supermodels that came immediately before her (Kate Moss, Shalom Harlow, ect) she is quite large.Bogan444 02:06, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

NOT TRUE Kelly Brook and Luci are both models and more importantly truly curvy the article in Vougue is a doctored photo! Bridget Hall and Latecia Casta who preceded Gisele are far more busty and curvy, it's just Anna Wintour who wants to navigate the hype with fake phots- so who widely considers this? Gisele is a B-cup at the most and is virtually CURVELESS with no waist to hip ratio or ample bosom--eyes don't lie! Catherine Huebscher 08:47, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Brook and Pinder are pin up models, not runway models. Big difference. As I said, all terms are relative. Bundchen is thin compared to the average person, but she is curvy for her field.Bogan444 21:48, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

I agree with you, Gisele might not be a pamela anderson, but she is definitely curvier than most fashion models. You have to keep one thing in mind, before Gisele, most fashion models (and by fashion I mean high couture, non-commercial fashion) were extremely thin, with absolutely no bust worth mentioning and complete lack of curves. This changed when gisele began to be noticed. Its not just on stills, it's evident in most fashion shows, even before her work with vistoria's secret. There's plenty of youtube videos that prove this. Whether they are surgically enhanced or not hasn't been proved yet. Although honestly i don't see them as large enough to be implants, they look pretty natural to me, and this is pretty obvious in most stills. Another thing you have to remember is that with correct lighting nearly everything can be fixed, or enhanced. This is true for gisele also, there are some pics where they just seem to pop out right at you, whereas in others they seem pretty normal and natural. The biggest proof you'll need is in the runway shows, where no photoshop is added. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sapz1984 (talk • contribs) 16:12, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Catherine Huebscher (talk • contribs) 03:23, 6 February 2007 (UTC).

Here is your untouched photo! NO HIPS! NO WAIST! AND VIRTUALLY NO BUST! GISELE IS A SMALL BUSTED WOMAN END OF STORY! http://photos1.blogger.com/x/blogger/5177/1474/1600/427853/gislelsma.jpg —Preceding unsigned comment added by Frankchu3 (talk • contribs) 03:01, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Trivia

I think all the awards she has given that are listed forever in the trivia section should be separated into an Awards section. If anyone knows the dates or can find them, that would tidy up the article and make it more organized. --Shrek05 23:06, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Please do not change the section heading back to "Trivia". Trivia per se is not encyclopaedic, so if you insist on calling it that it must be removed altogether or incorporated in sentence structure into the article. To avoid that for the moment I changed it to an acceptable term. Doc ♬ talk 17:17, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
Since no one seems to read or understand the guidline I'll put the rest of the items here for article incorporation

Doc ♬ talk 18:09, 11 August 2006 (UTC)


  • She has five sisters: Raquel, Graziela, Gabriela, Rafaela and Patrícia (who was born five minutes younger than Gisele, but is not an identical twin).
  • Gisele originally wanted to be a professional volleyball player and had even thought of becoming a member for Brazilian team, Sogipa.
  • Forbes magazine named her the best paid model of all time. Her personal fortune is valued in 150 million dollars, and she is on the Guinness Book of Records as "the world's richest supermodel".
  • Gisele appeared in more than 7,000 magazine covers around the world. The only woman who made more covers was Princess Diana.


Okay, I started the job. I went from the beginning to the end of the "Career" section. loulou 18:49, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] POV

IT IS IMPORTANT NOT TO INCLUDE ANY COMMENTS ABOUT A PERSON'S LOOKS IN AN ENCYCLOPEDIA ARTICLE. YOU DON'T SEE ARTICLES IN THE ENCYCLOPEDIA BRITANNICA SAYING THAT A PERSON IS BEAUTIFUL, HOT, WHATEVER. THAT'S RETARDED AND UNPROFESSIONAL. I TOOK OUT ALL THOSE REFERENCES YESTERDAY BUT SOME IDIOT REVERTED MY EDITS WITHOUT EXPLANATION. THIS ARTICLE IS NOW ON NPOV DISPUTE THANKS TO YOU. 207.200.116.68 02:41, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

I completely agree. This article seems like a personal article. There are words like She made another great move. She is adored by all...It seems as if each sentence is describing how great she is. It seems like someone's personal opinions. Lil Flip246 16:20, 9 August 2006 (UTC)


Frankly, I don't think many are interested in Gisele's face. Her face is not particularly pretty. She's famous for her long legs and well-endowned bosom. She's a body. That should be depicted in the wiki article photo. The face should be reserved for Audrey Hepburn and Milla Jovovich, who don't have much of a body.

A facial close-up is more than well appropriate for articles such as this, no matter what kind of person we're talking about. This is a biography article. It doesn't matter whether the person is some leggy supermodel, or a novel writer. To add a picture showing the body with the premise that "everybody is probably more interested in the rest of her, and not her face" would reflect a biased opinion, even if that wouldn't be immediately obvious to an outsider that just found the article. What I'm trying to say is, we shouldn't think facial close-ups aren't appropriate for model articles just because they are models.--Kaonashi 16:52, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)
She's wonderful because she's simple, natural, spontaneous. I saw her in Bahia and is incredible beautiful. --Mateusc 03:25, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

i really don't see how she's curvaceous. she's got barely any hips or thighs. since when was 'curvaceous' only about boobs? hers are implants anyway. CheeseLover 05:14, August 8, 2005 (UTC)

Crap...! Anyway, she's got a body not a face. And will ANYONE get the fucking ref for them kissing? Personal Life. Great Sentence there without a Ref, I'm deleting with no mercy until a ref comes up. It sucks a LOT because biographies now cannot be without refs ---> They live off ref, no ref = no article. It's like accusing someone getting raped. That isn't nice, is it? 121.7.92.91 (talk) 18:14, 16 March 2007 (UTC).

Since she is German-Brazilian, does Gisele speak German, and is she a member of the IELB? -Clauf 08:48, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

No, Is not common German descendent people speak german in Brazil.--Rick Browser 00:38, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
Gisele doesn't speak German. It's not as common nowadays for Brazilians of German ancestry to speak German. IELB? I don't know Gisele's religious affiliation but I think she is Catholic considering most Brazilians of German ancestry are. M P M 10:00, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia sense of humour

From the article:

She came in second in the national Elite Look of the Year contest - Claudia Menezes, from Bahia, was the one in the first place.

I think that might be the funniest use of a red link ever. Wikipedia, it seems, is not without a sense of irony. Soo 13:16, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

Errr... okay. Whatever floats your boat. 89.213.25.184 10:14, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Dress Size

Dress size 6–8? Not with her measurements. More like 2, but I lack an official source.OK

Where on earth do these dress sizes come from? When I had her measurements, I was 5' 9" and a size 12! Okay that was over twenty years ago, but the sizes have gotten *smaller* since then, because I actually grew and filled out after being in high school, and became a size *10*! Is this a European thing, or an expensive clothes thing??FlaviaR 06:23, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] tattoo

Why does the article say: "Nervous, she decided to get a blue star tattoo...."? What connection does anxiety have with her decision to get a tattoo?

Maybe so that people would look at the tattoo instead of her? 70.50.173.88 17:13, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Reduce Trivia

Could someone reduce the trivia section? It is longer than the article itself. Thanks! loulou 04:45, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

I cleared up the first part of the trivia section. I'll do the second part if no one else wants to. loulou 04:55, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
I finished the trivia section! We should mage an awards section for her. loulou 00:11, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
The trivia is way too long. There's alot of not important facts in it. Lil Flip246 16:21, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lutheran?

There is no source that I have found indicating that she is Lutheran or even holds Christian beliefs. Her background is probably Lutheran, as she is of German heritage, although I have yet to find a source that shows what she identifies herself as religiously. Until then, I am taking it out. Shamir1 06:58, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

This doesnt mean much, but in a short interview she had been wearing a cross, in case anybody cares. --Shamir1 03:11, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
Gisele has stated in an interview that she believes in God but isn't religious. Since that vague statement is the only thing I've ever seen in print on her exact religious beliefs, it is probably best to say nothing on the subject. As an aside, assuming that a South American is Lutheran just because they are of German heritage would be a mistake. Most South American Germans are in fact Roman Catholic. Indeed, even in Germany itself, Protestants and Catholics are spilt nearly 50/50. You have to move further North to Denmark and Scandinavia to find nations that are nearly all Protestant.Bogan444 02:58, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

According to her offical Myspace site Gisele is catholic. it's confirmed as her own site as her sister helped confirm it.

--Wikipedia Fan

On this subject (i.e. that of her Catholicism), I'm wondering if someone should insert a reference to her recent comments about the Catholic church's stance on abortion, premarital sex, etc. It would most likely go under Section 5 of the article. Woodnwheel 15:11, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Leo

What year did they start dating?? This article needs to include that information, because he was her most famous boyfriend. Lil Flip246 23:52, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] External links

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:External_links

[edit] Occasionally acceptable links

Fan sites: On articles about topics with many fansites, including a link to one major fansite is appropriate, marking the link as such. In extreme cases, a link to a web directory of fansites can replace this link. (Note: fanlistings are generally not informative and should not ordinarily be included.)

It should be discussed as to which listing of fansites should be included, as imdb is not a source of these. I believe that the squidoo lense is a good source external links and is not spam.

[edit] Magazine covers

I just reverted a bunch of edits that insist that Gisele has been on over 7000 magazine covers. This strikes me as highly unlikely. Extraordinary claims need extraordinary proof, so I'd like to see a source. Also the list of news stories is useless. Integrate them into the article as citations if they are relevant. Soo 12:37, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

She did NOT grace over 7000 covers. It's imposibble. Claudia Schiffer still holds the record of the supermodel with the most covers, with over 900 magazine covers. It is highly impossible that Gisele who is younger than Claudia was able to surpass her magazine covers. It was just the Gisele fans who wanted to make her seem as the biggest supermodel, when she was not. I checked FMD, and she had like 100 something magazines listed. Lil Flip246 15:35, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
It's not true. You can check the print edition of the Guinness Book and you will see. Plus, just watch her interview on Youtube on Regis Philbin show and he is just saying that she made more covers than any other model in the history of the game. Claudia Schiffer had this title but today we are in different times. You can send a message for IMG and they will tell you exactly how many covers shed did. Plus: Channel 4, from UK, showed a documentary about the 30 Greatest Supermodels of All Times, in wich Gisele came at the second spot (after Kate Moss) and they said that she made mover covers than any other model and she made more money than any other model too. The top five supermodels are: 1-Kate Moss 2-Gisele Bundchen 3-Cindy Crawford 4-Naomi Campbell 5-Claudia Schiffer
Can you give me your source??? Where does it state that she has graced over 7000. I highly doubt that. Claudia still holds the record with over 900. I highly doubt Gisele, who is much younger than Claudia, who had a longer career than Gisele. Lil Flip246 15:52, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
I already give you the source - Channel's 4 documentary "30 Greatest Supermodels of all times". You can check this on the print version of 2006 Guinness Book too. and if you want, you can go to Youtube and watch her interview on the Regis Philbin show and he will say that she has mad emore covers than any other model.
Give me a link, or write down what it says on Guiness. Where does it say she graced over 7000?? Regis saying she's graced more than any model, doesn't say anything about over 7000 covers. Plus how would he know anything about the fashion industry?? Lil Flip246 20:14, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
The Channel 4 thing is probably saying she's graced more covers than any other model that year. But it is not true that she's graced over 7000. Claudia Schiffer still holds the record with the most covers at over 900. I higghly doubt Gisle who's had a smaller career timewise, has had more. Plus you don't have a good source. Lil Flip246 20:15, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Claudia Schiffer was one of the biggest models of the 90's, but she's does not have the same presence in the fashion that she had in the past. Gisele is arguably aclaimed as one of the models who made more impact in the fashion history in all times. That's why she was named the 2nd. greatest supermodel by Channel 4 and also the Hottest Supermodel in the World by VH1. Today we have a lot of magazines and is a different time. Regis Philbin is a professional and he would never say anything on his show that wasn't true. You can contact Gisele's agency - IMG - and ask them for the truth, and they will tell you. Gisele is the model who most appeared in magazine covers, i'm sorry.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Andnanso (talk • contribs) 19:57, 8 August 2006

Here are some links: http://www.cbs.com/specials/victorias_secret_2005/models/gisele.shtml http://www.thefutoncritic.com/pr.aspx?id=20051017cbs02 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Andnanso (talk • contribs) 21:28, 8 August 2006

The opening paragraph is be just review the bare facts, not have all the extra material that is already in the article proper. Doc ♬ talk 03:00, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
This is all Guinness says: "Supermodel With Highest Annual Earnings: The world's top-earning model is currently Gisele Bundchen (Brazil), who earned $12.5 million (£8.3 million) in 2001 according to the Forbes Celebrity 100 list released on June 21, 2002. Gisele, labeled the most beautiful girl in the world by Rolling Stone magazine, was allegedly discovered by talent scouts while eating in a McDonald's restaurant." -- Zanimum 15:11, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
I'm not asking about how great of a model she is. None of your sources are answering my question. My question is where did you get the "info" that she graced 7000 magazine covers??? I wasn't asking about her greatness. I wasn't asking about how popular she was. Lil Flip246 16:15, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
What? I was saying that if Guinness was the original contributors' source, yet Guinness does not confirm the fact, the fact is wrong. Simple as that. How does popularity link to money, anyway? -- Zanimum 17:41, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] IPA for "Gisele Bündchen"

I've requested a IPA for her name on the Wikipedia:Reference desk. With that, we'll be able to turn most of the current bullet point on her name into a footnote. -- Zanimum 15:50, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

I made some attempt at correcting the pronunciation but I think the IPA bits should be moved to the beginning anyway and not be in the "about" section (I'm too lazy to do that right now). Cwilli201 17:36, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

I've corrected the pronunciation [1] but someone have erased it!!! [2] I'm gonna fix it again... &ndash User:Usien/ass

I don't know why the hell there's an annoying anonymous reverting my editions with a completely wrong pronunciation key, I'm gonna restore it again. &ndash User:Usien/ass 13:19, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm not the person that is changing anything, but I am just wondering how you are dealing with the pronunciation of her first name (I don't know IPA). Properly pronounced, there is a long "e" at the end, but the English speaking media treat it as a silent "e". Gisele rolls with the punches and has accpeted the fact she has become "Gis-El", but her friends and family still call her "Gis-el-E", and that is her given pronunciation. Not really advising you on anything, just curious as to how you have dealt with it.Bogan444 22:05, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Not to be rude/silly, but is it really "gee-zell-EE" instead of "gee-zell-UH"? From what little I know of German, the latter sounds more likely - but I will bow to your superior knowledge if you say so.FlaviaR (talk) 10:02, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
You are thinking of the name "Gisela", which is not uncommon in the German-speaking world. "Gisele", on the other hand, is _very_ uncommon, and I can't think of a smooth German pronounciation. (I'm German.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.85.143.147 (talk) 16:24, 5 February 2008 (UTC)


My God, Gisele is Brazilian, not German. Her pronunciation is in Brazilian Portuguese, not in German.

Her name in Brazil is "Gee-sé-lee". That's the correct pronunciation. Opinoso (talk) 22:20, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Disputed edits

I don't know who is doing this with this article, but it's wrong. You can missed up the things. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Andnanso (talk • contribs) 16:55, 9 August 2006

On the contrary, your edits are using unencyclopaedic language and removing things that have been arrived at by consensus. You are very close to being declared a vandal and have administrative action taken against your edits. Several concerned editors here have reverted your edits and will continue to. Please discuss any future changes here on the talk page before making them on the namespace article. Doc ♬ talk 22:09, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
What i'm doing is correct the informations that you are mistaken. Just check the links i'm giving.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Andnanso (talk • contribs) 17:14, 9 August 2006

Please read the welcome at the top of your personal talk page. Read the simplified rule set and try to follow those guidelines. Also read on your talk page about the 3 revert rule which you are nearing. You are not following any accepted Wikipedia guidelines. You are not signing your talk page entries, you are not using encyclopaedic language. Doc ♬ talk 22:23, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Reverting trivia

Excuse me, I was wondering if you were the one who keeps reverting the trivia on the Gisele Bündchen page. If you are can we please talk on the Gisele Bündchen talk page? Thank you. loulou 17:23, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

No, I'm not. All I've done was incorporate the information into the article, what ultimately should be done to most of the trivia. You can, of course, look in the edit history, see who has been removing the content you speak of. But of course all information should be properly referenced, or else it is fair game for removal. -- Zanimum 17:26, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
Actually, my problem was that it was the other way around! Someone keeps putting trivia that is longer than the page itself, and I keep editing and deleting it. loulou 17:29, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
Okay, that's good that you're one of us, not on the dark side. Thx! -- Zanimum 17:37, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
I realise you're exaggerating, but there's no need to create an us-and-them situation. All the editors to this article are trying to improve it, albeit with some having more success than others. Soo 19:29, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Richest Supermodel??

I think the Guinness Book has that one wrong. I'd guess that this record is actually held by Sarah O'Hare, Rupert Murdoch's daughter-in-law. What do you think? Leeborkman 06:29, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

By what standard could Sarah O'Hare be considered a "Supermodel"?Bogan444 02:48, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Edits by 201.34.190.71

User:201.34.190.71 keeps reverting the clean up and re-write improvements back to a badly written version of the article. After notifying them of this, I received the response:

"The article that you keep uploading is wroted in a very bad english. My article is more complete." (User talk:201.34.190.71)

I think we need a third party to step in and comment to avoid an edit war. 70.52.228.186 17:59, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Name

I think it would be better if we change the name in the infobox to "Gisele Bündchen" and write the full name "Gisele Caroline Nonnenmacher Bündchen" in the birthname. What's your opinion?Xaserman 22:45, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Is that really her birth name. I heard her say on a US talk show that she changed her first name. IIRC, she said that she removed a letter. I presume that this would have been from the German 'Giesele' to the more common 'Gisele'. If this can be confirmed, it should be added to the page. Tyrerj 07:59, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Neither "Giesele" nor "Gisele" is a common German name. And changing her last name would have been much more important. I mean, a model named "Cuff" ("Bündchen" is a German word meaning cuff or wristband) is just silly. And "Nunmaker" (Nonnenmacher) isn't much better. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.85.143.147 (talk) 16:31, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
Is everything wrong on discution, Gisele didn't change any thing of her name, she's "Gisele", never was "Giesele", because "Gisele" is a common name in Brazil, Gisele and her parents are Brazilians, they wouldn't put a so German first name on their daughter as "Giesele". However they have a distant German ancestry. Cantarevolare 15:21, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Modeling Section

I've cleaned up that section a bit, and removed references to her as "the" model of the millennium until someone provides a source. I know she graced the cover of that edition, but it was with other women. If the article specifically cites her as such, provide the cite. I also removed the reference to "naturally small breasts" in the photoshopped "Return of the Curve" editorial. Gisele does have naturally small breast, but by the time of that shoot, had gotten implants which can hardly be regarded as small. Therefore the reference in that context is confusing. And again, claims that it provoked an unusual amount of letters to the editor would have to be sourced. There are other problems with this section. Her Apple contract, although perhaps interesting to us computer nerds, hardly rates as warranting its own paragraph. Her fashion contracts are far more lucrative and for a model, far more prestigious. So to single that out is just weird. The section is still messy, but its getting better.Bogan444 03:51, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] what is her height???

How tall is she? her height doesn´t appears in the articleLithop 20:46, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

She is 5'11 feet tall.--Sapz1984 (talk) 16:14, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Gisele Bundchen on Myspace

http://www.myspace.com/giselebundchen

Gisele Bundchen's Myspace page is located here.. Alessandra Ambrosio has confirmed it is her as for more proof well I am the one who is designing it.

-- Mike A

Her official website made no mention of an "official" myspace page. The page is one of the few that claims to be official so I removed it.(Number1spygirl 02:24, 30 July 2007 (UTC))

Well It is her Myspace.. she told me she doesn't have it listed on her official site since she doesn't want to be overwelmed with add requests. Alessandra confirmed it was her on myspace as did her boyfriend Tom Brady and I also talk with her on a weekly basis so please revert the change.

All you need to do is source the reference where Tom or Alessandra confirmed it was her. What you are saying might be true, but it is just as possible you are a lunatic or a troll. That's why wikipedia requires the source.Bogan444 21:57, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Ominous 245

I think it's great that you know the models personally but it's part of the rules here that there should be no original research. (Number1spygirl 10:32, 2 August 2007 (UTC))

Ok, Prove to me this isn't Gisele.. if its not its a pretty good copycat, Some other models I know in real life told me it was her and she often times posts in Portoguese. Alessandra Amrbrosio even told me it was genuine. And she would know the real Gisele as she sees her often. Otherwise Gisele wants her myspace to be seperate from her official site.. hence why none of her design team did the work on it and only me. -- Ominous245

Please cite references that claims the Myspace page is official. We just can't take your words for it.(Number1spygirl 01:56, 4 August 2007 (UTC)).

Alessandra has NO Myspace - this has been confirmed in her official forum. Gisele does NOT have a Myspace —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.232.221.37 (talk) 20:16, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pictures

Why must you people insist on uploading the most hideous and random pictures of people on Wikipedia? Come on, she's the biggest model in the world today; surely you lot can come up with a better display picture than THAT.

[edit] Gisele song

I think Gisele by Gabriel Guerra should be mentioned. This is the only article in English I can find though. [3] Number1spygirl 12:34, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

I totally agree with you, there's numerous pictures of gisele in EXTREMELY high qualityonline, whether it be in high-couture or in the victoria's secret fashion shows or catalogs. There's definitely better choices out there.--Sapz1984 (talk) 16:18, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Ugly picture of Gisele Bündchen

In my opinion, user João Felipe C.S posted a very ugly picture of Gisele. The other pic I posted seems to be more beautiful, as Gisele really is. Opinoso 21:06, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

I think it's better to put an image without any watermark on it. (Number1spygirl 00:25, 10 August 2007 (UTC)).

[edit] Most famous?

Just because she's the richest & the highest paid model doesn't mean she's the most famous one. Naomi Campbell, Kate Moss and/or Tyra Banks (pre-talk show days) are more recognizable than her worldwide. (Number1spygirl 16:26, 11 August 2007 (UTC)).

Naomi Campbell, in some places, is more famous than her, however belongs to another generation of models, Tyra Banks is also older than Gisele and well known just in U.S.A., Kate Moss appeared at fashion scene more than ten years before Gisele, and today is really famous just in Europe, North-America and some Asian countries. Gisele Bündchen is the most famous model of her generation! (Cantarevolare 10:36, 17 January 2008 (UTC)).

[edit] Thick Waist/Torso

No way in hell does she have an hourglass figure of 24 inch waist and 35 inch hips, she's a surfboard with small breasts. This article is a joke and just feeds the screwed up view that media feeds to women.Her hips and waist are virtually the same; 29-34 is being generous. this is a long thick torso ed model as seen in person unretouched-the eyes don't lie: http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/MMPH/258935~Gisele-Bundchen-Posters.jpg http://www.talkingnfl.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/gisele-bundchen-victorias-secret-underwear.jpg http://www.hollyscoop.com/BlogImages/21868812---giselle_bundchen.jpg

The waist-hips ratio is often mistaked for the hourglass figure. While in most cases this proves to be true, the measurements are 24 inch waist, measured at the height of the belly button, and 34 inch hips measured at the height of mid-buttock where the hips meet the legs. She has breasts and buttocks, so obviously they will not be the same measurements of her waist. if you picture her sideways you'll understand what i'm saying. And if that still doesn't convince you, try this. Measure yourself, if you see no hourglass figure when you look in the mirror, you wil still see a difference in measurements, unless you're extremely flat from behind that is...--Sapz1984 (talk) 16:30, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Are you a guy or a girl because you know little about the female anatomy. I have natural measurements of 38F-24-36 and I'm 5'10, no way in hell does Gisele have a 24 inch waist (unless her hips are 28inches) and her hips and breasts are very, very small. 33b-28-33 is more like it and that's being generous. Designers may want her to be hyped as having hips and a waist to showcase their awful clothing and lie to woman but airbrushing , photoshop and always standing with your back torqued does not make a hip to waist ratio like Marilyn Monroe's. EYES DON'T LIE-this is a hiplesss small breasted woman with virtually no hip to waist ratio. http://superamanda.blogspot.com/2007/01/supermodel-gisele-bundchens-bogus.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by Catherine Huebscher (talk • contribs) --Catgut (talk) 02:41, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Well, anyway we need a source for whatever is said about her measurements in the article. Personal estimations are not reliable and certainly do not meet our criteria for proper sources. The version reverted by you was sourced, but probably this source isn't reliable either. --Catgut (talk) 02:41, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Women have been lied to too long by the media and idiots like this model and her PR. She's famous, she's rich why does she fabricate the physical symmetry of a much curvier woman? Gisele has a TALL BOYISH body with hips and waist measuring virtually the same. Lies like this googled by young girls contribute to poor body image and eating disorders. The truth is in the eyes of anyone who looks, it's like saying that Naomi Campbell is "white." http://www.cherryflava.com/photos/uncategorized/gisele.jpg http://images.absolutenow.com/rp/BundchenGisele255055530.jpg http://blog.9.com.ua/pics/2007/11/photographer/David_LaChapelle/Gisele_Bundchen/David_LaChapelle_Gisele_Bundchen_06.JPG


Jesus Christ...Somebody better tell everyone wikipedia rules...Regardless of your mindless babbling, you might be a girl with the measurements but you obviously didn't understand what I meant. You may say Gisele has a thick waist, and it may be true. She is not the figure you commonly see in a curvy person. Yet you are mistaking two very different things. If you post links to pictures in which she is only seen in the front, you could say she doesn't meet the measurements posted. Have you ever seen her sideways? I guess not. She is considered curvy because it isn't a straight line between the back of her knees and the beginning of her back. And if you plan to question me on anatomy, pick up a book, find out where your hips are, and think about your post. Check out the pics i left with different angles, and you'll see what I mean. And in reference to your Marilyn Monroe comment, NOBODY is comparing Gisele to anyone. Nobody. So jump off that cloud that you live in, and quit defending someone that didn't need defending. Remember this, in the fashion industry, people are chosen because they represent a majority. Does it make sense sometimes? No. But it proves to be true, especially when it comes to selling a product. Whether YOU like her or not is not the issue, keep in mind that beauty is in the eye of the beholder, my guess is Gisele has plenty of millions beholding her beauty above all. The girl, with the thick waist sells, and she sells more than ANY girl in history. Now that people, is a fact. Sapz1984 (talk) 18:10, 2 May 2008 (UTC) http://www.flickr.com/photos/8089696@N02/690729479/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/blondbob/2368127371/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/blondbob/2368961546/

Stop erasing my comments you hater. The first picture proves she is built like a boy! SHE HAS VIRTUALLY NO WAIST TO HIP RATIO! and standing with your hip torqued out is because she has no symmetry. she is NOT 35-26-36 on the moon. http://img2.timeinc.net/people/i/2005/startracks/050110/gbundchen.jpg http://lumine.net/pcs/dl.php/780/gisele-bundchen-nude_verysexy_14.jpg In the above pic, her torso actually juts above her hip lines! http://www.cherryflava.com/photos/uncategorized/gisele.jpg and in the above photo she has no waist at all. you are a complete liar and so is she. Do not insult millions of women who DO have an hourglass/hip to waist ration by lying. NO HIP TO WAIST RATIO! NO 24-34! NO WAY! END OF STORY! EYES DO NOT LIE! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Frankchu3 (talk • contribs) 18:58, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Oh yeah, there is a virtually a straight line through this woman's body: http://www.nancarrow-webdesk.com/warehouse/storage2/2007-w45/img.63310_t.jpg

[edit] Gisele Bundchen Stock Index

Much better! Thanks! Magkaz (talk) 03:07, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Main picture

Please people, please stop changing the main picture 3 times a day. Let's just pick one and leave it. There's an edit war going on between a few editors who do nothing but keep reverting each other's edits of the main picture in the article. From now on, if you do not agree with the current picture discuss it here first, don't arbitrarily just change it to a different one just because that's the one you like better. SWik78 (talk) 13:34, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Seriously, enough with the edit war. It's very disruptive and the picture changing does nothing for the overall information content. ----Ðysepsion † Speak your mind 17:51, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
The picture GISELE BUNDCHEN3.jpg has been in this article for a long time. Cantarevolare is the one who is changing to another picture. Tell him to stop that. Opinoso (talk) 20:16, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

If he starts reverting, I will ask him to stop. In the meantime, I politely ask that everyone else also stop reverting it. SWik78 (talk) 20:31, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

I see bad people's reactions when they see the picture GISELE BUNDCHEN3.jpg. Almost everybody that I show the article don't like the image, stating that she's seeming older than her real age. I really don't like GISELE BUNDCHEN3.jpg, but I'm not more changing, you both choose.

I tried! Cantarevolare (talk) January 2008 (UTC)

All the pictures of Gisele Bundchen at Wikipedia look terrible. Somebody should bring beautiful pictures of her, not these ugly pictures we see here. Opinoso (talk) 12:50, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

I think they're fine for what Wikipedia is. I would agree with you about getting nicer looking pictures if this was a fashion blog or some kind of online portfolio but this is only an encyclopedia. If you want, post the links to all of her Wikipedia images in this talk page and ask people for their opinions. If you get a concensus (not just a majority vote) then it can be changed. Till then, I wouldn't worry to much about whether or not it looks pretty. It's not that big of a deal. SWik78 (talk) 14:22, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

I agree with Cantarevolare, I don't like GISELE BUNDCHEN3.jpg, I'd prefer any other picture. FireOcean (talk) 11:35, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
I vote for GiseleBundchen.jpg Cantarevolare (talk)

[edit] Advertisements pictures

I can't understand the reason why the user Yamla is erasing all advertisements pictures on Gisele Bündchen article! There's no motive. The Wikipedia's rules allow that! Mywikipedista (talk) 09 February 2008 (UTC)

They most certainly do not. You have repeatedly been pointed to WP:IUP. --Yamla (talk) 03:23, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Social activism/activist?

For sure all those things Bündchen does are honorable and enhance her public image, but I doubt whether this makes her an "activist". And I wouldn't label her charity work as "activism". Of course it's nice of her to it, but we shouldn't blow it out of proportion. Any arguments? --Catgut (talk) 22:05, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

---I'd tend to agree. Gisele occasionally lends her name to social causes and donates to charity. This hardly constitutes "social activism" and if this were the standard nearly every single person of note on the entire planet would classify as a "social activist". For the purposes of an encyclopedia, the term should really be limited to those who are especially known for their activism. I'd also question devoting an entire paragraph to the "Lebron James Controversy". To the extent that it is a "controversy", it revolves around James and Vogue. She's completely incidental to the story.Bogan444 (talk) 22:47, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Right, Bündchen's 'social activism' seems more like charity work. Nice of her, but social activism is certainly something else. --Catgut (talk) 23:22, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
Great causes as protection of Amazon Rainforest water source look like social activism and she's known for that. --Cantarevolare (talk) 05:10, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
Whatever the cause may be, what Bündchen does is the usual charity work that enhances a prominent person's public image. Nothing else. Don't forget, she is the sixteenth richtest woman in the entertain world, and owns a fortune of 150 million dollars. And then, for example, she donates a percentage of the earnings reached with her line of sandals to some projects. We don't even know how much that is, by the way. She lends her face to some other good causes. As I stated above, all of that is nice of her, but really nothing special. Social activism would definitely require a much higher level of personal involvement. See Activism and follow some of the wikilinks. Charity work alone is not social activism. Or are any reports available that Bündchen has participated in protests or rallies, for example? Do we know whether she at least donates money from her personal fortune (which would also be just charity)? Again, what she does is nice, but certainly not sensational, and always in connection with her professional goals. Today, charity activities of prominent people always serve as a tool for PR strategies. As this here is an encyclopedia, so we have to take care that those stragies don't influence our articles (WP:NPOV). Let's take the sandals, for example. Does she earn money with them? Let's assume, she does. Therefore, if more people are attracted to buy the sandals because a good cause is attached to them, then Bündchen also earns more money (correct me, if I'm wrong). I personally know from someone doing charity, that many of the big stars still get 50% of their usual fee when they go to charity dinners or parties. Of course, one could say, that's better than nothing. But it's not activism. Unfortunately, the whole charity business has obviously become a business, it's all about getting attention and shaping a public image. --Catgut (talk) 08:03, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Mistakes in the article

I corrected some mistakes in the article. It says that Gisele was taken to São Paulo by a course, instructed by Dilson Stein. This is not true. All her biographies say that she went to São Paulo in a school excursion and somebody from an agendy saw her there and inveted her to be a model.

It seems somebody was trying to promote this Dilson Stein. Opinoso (talk) 13:42, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Please opinoso, discuss any changes to the article here before proceding with editing the article. Please, present your references that support your argumentation. Thanks for your cooperation.

--Mhsb (talk) 06:44, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Removed link to Gisele Bundchen.NU | Your #1 Source for Everything Gisele Bundchen because it was no longer active. -Zeus- 22:47, 27 March 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by -Zeus- (talk • contribs)

[edit] The Beauty/Plastic Surgery Section

There's been some dispute over the titling of this edit lately. One version of the section has been labeled as follows:

  • "Inspiration for aesthetic plastic surgeries"

The other, likely fueled by fans of her looks, has been labeled this way:

  • "Gisele Bündchen's beauty/Her beauty as inspiration for aesthetic plastic surgeries"

Regardless of this woman's profession/success, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and according to policy, the encyclopedia is not supposed to take a stance on the matter. There's also the matter of avoiding peacock terms to consider. There are plenty of other articles on women, such as Aishwarya Rai and Jennifer Love Hewitt, in which beauty is addressed without Wikipedia itself directly claiming that the women are beautiful. I've seen no reason for why it should be different here. --James26 (talk) 08:16, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

I think that's better: "Her image as inspiration for aesthetic plastic surgeries", avoiding the word "beauty" and the false idea that's a section about aesthetic plastic surgeries made on her body. --Cantarevolare (talk) 14:45, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
I agree with the modified title. --James26 (talk) 01:16, 24 April 2008 (UTC)