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[edit] Marriage

What i've seen so far, is that Rossini marriage occured in 1822, not 1821 as refers the article. Rossini, Roger Alier.

--80.102.173.211 17:31, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Anecdotes

This was originally on Gioacchino Rossini Anecdotes. I'm putting it here in anticipation of a deletion of that page, because I think some of it might be useful for editing the main page or for any of the individual opera pages. --Camembert

Gioacchino Rossini was suspected of a certain laziness, and many popular stories might sound as a confirmation.

I.e., he was supposed to have composed his best known "Barbiere" in a very short time, because as usual he was late in respecting the delivery date. Some say he did it in 7 days; others, like Lodovico Settimo Silvestri, suggest in 14. Whatever the precise length, it was anyway a very little time for such masterpieces.

Was it this one, pehaps, the secret of the "Crescendo"? 'I do no know'


However, all the work was done with Rossini in his bedroom, wearing his dressing-gown. A friend once pointed out that it was undoubtedly funny that he had composed the "Barber" without shaving himself for such a long time. Rossini promptly replied that if he had to get shaved, he would have had to get out of his house, and he therefore would never had completed his opera.


Another story of Rossini composing in the comfort of his bed: One day an impresario went visiting him and found him writing music in his bed. Rossini, without even looking at him, begged him to collect a sheet that had fallen from the bed to the floor. When the impresario picked it, Rossini gave him the other sheet he was writing and asked him: "Which one do you think is the better?" "But... they are completely alike..." said the embarrassed impresario. "Well... you know... it was easier for me to write another one than to get off the bed and search and pick the first one and then come back to bed..." Rossini himself was very glad to describe his special virtues: here is what he told about his way of composing ouvertures:

Wait until the evening of the day before the "Prima" (first night). Nothing can better excite the inspiration than the presence of a "copista" (copyst) waiting for your work and the mess of an "impresario" tearing his hair. At my time in Italy all the impresari had been bald for thirty years.
I made the ouverture of Otello in a small room of the Palazzo Barbaja, where the baldest and rudest of directors had closed me in.
I wrote the ouverture of the Gazza Ladra the day before the "Prima" under the roof of the Scala Theatre, where I had been emprisonned by the director and secured by 4 scene-shifters.
For the Barbiere, I did better: I did not even compose an ouverture, I just took one already destinated to an opera called Elisabetta.
Public was very pleased.

[edit] More on Rossini's methods

Here's the original quotation on his method of composing overtures:

Aspettate fino alla sera prima del giorno fissato per la rappresentazione. Nessuna cosa eccita più l'estro come la necessità, la presenza d'un copista, che aspetta il vostro lavoro, e la ressa d'un impresario in angustie, che si strappa a ciocche i capelli. A tempo mio in Italia tutti gli impresari erano calvi a trent'anni.

[edit] duetto buffo di due gatti

I just added some works by Rossini, and in the same time deleted the "duetto buffo di due gatti". Although widely attributed to him, music researcher Richard Osborne pointed out in his book that it was not composed by Rossini.

[edit] Spelling of his name

The spelling in the title and the spelling in the rest of the article of this dude's name are diffrent!!! WTF? Someone who knows the real thing pls correct it. Qwertyca 18:52, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

The New Grove has Gioachino, in both the 1980 and 2006 editions. Usually they list alternate spellings, but none are given. The Baker's Biographical Dictionary also has Gioachino, and so does the 1911 Encyclopedia Britannica. Anyone object if I move the article to Gioachino Rossini? Antandrus (talk) 20:18, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
No-one's objected, so please go ahead. Nunquam Dormio 11:20, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
Looks like I forgot. These things happen. But now someone else has taken care of it, so thanks! Antandrus (talk) 04:22, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
Well, now I'm confused -- is it Gioachino or Gioacchino, because it is still spelt both ways. Mnoe817 05:44, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
Gioachino is currently the more widely-accepted spelling. I fixed all the double redirects, and the double 'c' spelling, in this article, now only occurs in the external links. Where do you see it appearing? Antandrus (talk) 05:58, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, I think my eyes crossed and I was seeing this page, not the main article. Thanks! Mnoe817 01:17, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
Excuse me. I haven't ever seen an Encyclopedia Britannica, but I'm Italian, and I assure you, it's "Gioacchino", with the double c. And it would be also better to correct the spelling ("Giacchino") there is at the bottom of the page about Pierre Beaumarchais. Well, thanks to who will read, anyway. mise_keith 15:47, 21 September 2007
I would have thought the usual spelling has a double-c, too. However, we're respecting Rossini's own spelling of his own name - which is all that's relevant here. He started out using a double-c but switched to a single-c. -- JackofOz 00:53, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Lone Ranger???

Do we need to remove this early reference? I'd expect that over 50% of our contemporaries do not know what the Lone Ranger was, much less its theme. Perhaps move it to a later section that cites other uses of the theme, such as the Lark cigarette commercial from the 1960s ("Have a lark, have a lark, have a lark to-day") and then later in the Geno's Pizza Rolls commercial ("Have a peets- have a peets- have a piz-za roll") in which first a smoker, then a Lone Ranger lookalike, appeared to say "I think I've heard that tune before."

So no one remembers the Lone Ranger, yet everyone remembers old commercials? Peculuar, I'd think it to be the other way around. Tenk you veddy much. --Wack'd Talk to me! • Admire my handiwork! 15:56, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Spelling

I can see his name spelled 3 different ways on the page; Gioachino Rossini - Headline Giacchino Rossini - Picture Gioacchino Rossini - IMDB Link at bottom

Assuming this should be fixed, but not the person to do it.

Some of us are trying to standardise this. I've now fixed what can be fixed (exceptions: the link to Commons and some of the non-English wikis). Look at Note 1, which explains the position. And note that, although many non-English Wikipedias use Gioacchino, the Italian one has Gioachino. The spelling in the picture caption was a typo.
P.S. Please sign your posts - click the tenth button from the left above the editing space, or click the "Sign your username" link below the Edit summary space near the bottom. --GuillaumeTell 15:50, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Gioacchino is correct. Everything else is a typo. The page should be corrected. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.188.126.17 (talk) 16:17, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Your assertion is not correct, 67.188.126.17. Here is what Note 1 in the article says:
Rossini's first name is often spelled "Gioacchino." Rossini himself spelled it with either one "c" or two early in life, but eventually settled on "Gioachino." Baker's, Grove, and most Rossini scholars use "Gioachino.
What that means is that both spellings were used. Rossini himself eventually decided to use the version with one c. The spelling in the article respects the composer's own choice. If you have a reliable source that says that the two c version is the only possible choice, let's hear about it. --GuillaumeTell 17:27, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
This has been exhaustively discussed in the past. As GuillaumeTell explains "Gioachino" is correct. -- Kleinzach 23:49, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Opera count 39 or 40?

With the addition of Ivanhoé, Rossini's opera count jumps to 40. However, he didn't compose any new music for it so I could see why that opera might not count. On the other hand, the opera is an original story with an original libretto and it has been revived (and recently recorded) on ocassion, so maybe it should be counted. What all do you think? Regardless, we should add Ivanhoé to the list of operas on this page.Nrswanson (talk) 12:54, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

I think that the count should stay at 39. I agree that Ivanhoé should go into the list, but it should be made clear that that it's a pasticcio (as is Robert Bruce of 1846, with music from La donna del lago and other operas). --GuillaumeTell 16:24, 8 June 2008 (UTC)