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The only thing wrong with the page is that the feaking character discriptions are TOO LONG :( The anime is OK ... i think there are a lot of characters too

If some can write a short plot, that would be nice

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[edit] Madara?

Wasn't Madara female? (user:HannuMakinen)

yeah, i remember her to be female too.--62.79.98.193 00:53, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

In the Scandinavian version she is indeed female, but in the original japanese one, "she" is a male. --62.79.98.193 19:26, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

  • The proof is here. Madara is definitely a male. I suspect some of the European countries felt it would be better to have more than two female animals (Fuji and Cross). --Kitch 01:20, 28 August 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Harpooned bear was Sokkin!!!

It is said right here http://www.gingaonline.net/characters.html I will put the right name to it...

Unfortunately, the breeds of some dogs in the story are wrong on that page. I would not suggest using it as a reliable source, but rather a very charming fan site. Never the less, it's been pointed out twice the Harpoon Bear's name is Sokkin, so chances are in such favour. (Psst; please remember to sign your comments! :P)(Foxpen 00:24, 16 May 2007 (UTC))

NO HE IS NOT CALLED SOKKIN. Please, if you don't understand Japanese, don't believe unofficial FANsites 100%. Sokkin (側近) means "aide/attendant" in Japanese, and it is a term used to call servants/minions/cronies in a different term other than "buka"(部下) or "teshita"(手下).MIZZKIE 10:19, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

For other Ginga/WEED arguments, please take a look at my page. I do appologise for constantly saying "official proof" while not uploading more pics. In Japan(where I live) it is against the law to upload pictures/fanart without the author's permission, so I'm not allowed to take pictures for proof. But since so many people are especially unnotified of certain characters' breeds, I have uploaded a photo of the proof.MIZZKIE 10:19, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] A Bit of Info About Bears

The kinds of bears are not mentioned in the Wikipedia, but I would like to point out certain things about bears of Japan and in Ginga. There are two kinds of bears in Japan - the Black Bear of Honshū (the main island), and the Higuma/Ezo-higuma of Hokkaidō (the island where Hakurō lives). The Black Bear is called Tsuki no Wa-guma(月輪熊) (tsuki=moon, no=of, wa=ring, guma=bear(kuma)) due to its distinctive crescent-shaped marking on its chest. A Higuma is called Hokkaidō Brown Bear in English. Ezo is the old name of Hokkaidō.

Many Ginga fansites state that the bears are Grizzlies, but Grizzlies don't live in Japan (unless they break free from a zoo). They only live in North America, and they are bigger than Higumas (G:up to 680kg, H:up to 500kg).
Tsuki no Wa-guma - Ursus thibetanus
Ezo-higuma - Ursus arctos yesoensis
Grizzly - Ursus arctos horribilis

Akakabuto, Madara, Mosa, and most of the bears in Ginga are Tsuki no Wa-gumas. The harpooned bear and the "brown bear trio" are Higumas. Akakabuto, whoes name means "Red War Helmet" (赤兜) is a black bear dispite his brown fur. He is named that way because he is "red", and the "kabuto" part of his name comes from the fluff on his head. MIZZKIE 10:22, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

All the bears are black bears, as confirmed by character information books. Go here for more information. DameGreyWulf

[edit] "A Rogue Dog Named Tin"

It SHOULD offer both versions, as in the manga it was a marten, and in the anime, a roving dog named Tin, who took Kurotora's eye. Changing it back. =P

Okay, I will include both versions, but I'm changing it back to marten because that is what it is in the Japanese version, which is the (and how many times do I have to stress this?) original official version.MIZZKIE 03:28, 19 July 2007 (UTC)


-Yes, but this article draws on the ANIME, not the manga. The anime SHOWS Tin, the DOG, ripping Kuro's eye out. This is not a 'mistranslation,' this is simply a change from the manga to anime.

Here you go, anime screencaps of the dog ripping Kuro's eye out: http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/867/vlcsnap107150yf3.png http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/6444/vlcsnap107320fm1.png http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/3117/vlcsnap107992nz8.png

The ASD fansubbers give the translation of 'Tin the Murderer.' ~Z

Those screencaps still aren't good evidence. It doesn't look like a dog, but it doesn't look like a marten either because Takahashi sucks at drawing non-canine animals. If the Japanese anime (okay, I know it's becoming annoying, but it's the original and official edition) says it's a dog, I'll accept the fact.MIZZKIE 07:00, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

I've heard the translations in the anime are wrong, and that he is a Pine Marten by the name of Tin. He looks the same in the manga and anime. From what I've been able to understand, he was originally intended to be a Pine Marten, as stated in the manga.

Yes, he is a marten (it's a Japanese marten, but I have no clue if it's the same thing as a pine marten so I won't fuss about that part), but his name is not Tin. The word for marten in Japanese is "ten", and the translator(s) misheard it.MIZZKIE (talk) 06:45, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Smith's Breed

In the Meteor Gin character informational book, it declares Smith an English Setter, then, later, in a Ginga Densetsu Weed character informational book, it states that he is a French Spaniel mix. This is probably one of Yoshihiro's famous memory mistakes. It's more probable that he is a French Spaniel mix, however, this is not about Ginga Densetsu Weed, it's Ginga Nagareboshi Gin, and at the time of this anime/manga, where the new information did not exist, he was an English Setter, so it should list him as such here. --DameGreyWulf 21:45, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

To Dame: Which info book are you talking about? I have a info book called "Seiken Densetsu Meteor Gin" (huh, meteor indeed; nagareboshi is shooting star, and meteor is inseki), and it says that Smith is a Spaniel, but not specifically what Spaniel breed. I've never seen a book that says he's an English Setter.MIZZKIE 07:00, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

To Dame: Hm, that's interesting. In that case I suppose English Setter could be left for GNG; though French Spaniel is much, much more correct. GB is an English Setter but Smith is not. I'm inclined to agree with the later book, the one Mizzkie has. EDIT: OK, I read the GDW discussion and see my comments aren't needed because the breed questions were already sorted out. (What I was going to say there, was that I’m glad the breeds listed with the bullets were confirmed because they’re correct. But then, I don’t even trust official sources 100% of the time; I can simply look at Hiro and know that he’s a Great Pyrenees. Same with Smith being some sort of spaniel—though it’s a very rare breed, French Spaniel is the best ID. He could possibly also have been an English Springer, at least the way he looked in GNG. But English Setter, especially purebred, is very unlikely. And Blue, if I remember him right, looks nothing like an Alaskan Malamute, so I would accept that he’s a Beauceron mix regardless of what I read anywhere. He is enough like one. And those two would be difficult to confuse at any rate.) But sorry, that has more to do with GDW than GNG anyway. CarrieOkie86 22:18, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

To MIZZKIE: Really? On GingaSite, it says you're the one who confirmed their information, unless it's somebody posing as you. Before that they just said a Meteor Gin book, which I assumed was the one with Gin leaping forward on the front, produced in 2000, I think? =/ --12.207.142.70 02:45, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

To person above(you didn't sign your name): Hello there. Yeah, I'm the one who asked Yougurt to edit some of the information that she put on Gingasite, but we're not finished because my Dad's PC finally broke(wah). About the book; no, it's not the "Meteor Gin" book, but a newer version called "Ginga Densetsu WEED Mei-shoubu Retsuden". It was a (*cough* crappy) book about the fights that went on in the earlier WEED episodes, and it had some character bios. It's the latest character bios up to date, and it mentioned some dog breeds that most people don't know, which I suspect is Takahashi's work because I doubt the book's editors would care to look up rare breeds. Here's the proof: http://www.geocities.com/lisaferret/wikipekidaPROOFjpeg2.JPG I hope that helped. (^v^)MIZZKIE 02:35, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 06:46, 1 January 2008 (UTC)


[edit] Why?

Why are there all these tags on there? The article looks fine, aside from a neverending list of characters (the same information can be easily found on sites listed) and we've GOT experts writing it. All issues have been long since resolved about the fine details. MIZZKIE has provided image proof for some things, and is from Japan. MIZZKIE, is it possible for you to make a list of references from the informational books you've read? --DameGreyWulf (talk) 05:25, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

There are tags because the article has issues as noted by the tags. It is missing core MOS sections. The lead contains information not included elsewhere in the article, but the lead is supposed to be a summary of the article, not fresh information (see WP:LEAD). There is way too much plot/character info and not enough about the series as a whole, its publication, etc. Collectonian (talk) 06:33, 28 February 2008 (UTC)