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[edit] Gilles Duceppe, Leader of Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition

A lot of polls are showing the Bloc as forming the Official Opposition, so I assume this would be appropriate, just in case.

Gilles Duceppe
Image:Gilles Duceppe.jpg
Rank: 24th Leader of the Official Opposition
First Term of Office: January 15, 1996 - February 16, 1996
Second Term of Office: March 15, 1997 - June 1, 1997
Third Term of Office: February 2006 - present
First Predecessor: Lucien Bouchard
Second Predecessor: Michel Gauthier
Third Predecessor: Stephen Harper
Birth: July 22, 1947
Place of Birth: Montreal, Quebec
Political Party: Bloc Québécois
He's already been the leader of the Official Opposition once, so it belongs on the page. CrazyC83 18:41, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Introductor paragraph

The introductory paragraph of an article should explain why this person is notable, so I have added the key facts about who he is, i.e., MP and leader of the BQ. Also, until Quebec is independent, the article should identify what country he is from in the introductory paragraph, so I have added back in the link to Canada, after the province. Kevintoronto 21:24, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Also, I noticed that the evidence for GD as marxist is no longer there. I know that indeed he was a marxist (even maoist, right?), but I do think the bio need cite evidence of this.Garbopash 14:52, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] photography

this is quite the creepy image and it seem to have been photoshoped a bit. I'm surprise it would be his official picture.--Marc pasquin 18:09, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)


You'd be more surprised to find out all pictures of him look like that, as does he in real life ^.^ Sherurcij 08:33, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Shouldn't it be Quebecer instead of Qubecois?

Just a little comment:

Whenever I read "well-known Québécois actor", it sounds odd as I always used quebecer and not québécois for one is clearly in english while the other in french. I never use Quebecois in English so I wondered why anyone else would. Unless if it was meant derogatorily. I hope no one was stupid enough to input personnal feelings or polical views in this!

Non, parce que c'est une formule originalement française qui a eté emprunté dans l'anglais.

The word Québécois is commonly used by Canadian anglophones to refer to francophone Quebecers, whether they are "pure laine" or otherwise, as distinct from residents of Quebec in general.
It's not derogatory. (Of course, it can be derogatory in a specific context, but that's true of anything). --Saforrest 06:26, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

According to the Grand Dictionnaire Terminologique (www.granddictonnaire.com), which is the official terminology database of the Quebec government, the terms "Québécois", "Quebecois", "Quebecer" and "Quebecker" are equally acceptable (and of equivalent meaning) in English. Hugo Dufort 20:31, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Duceppe is one of the French boy's name that came off the Franch Jail Boat.... So he is a Native-French....

Meti are a culture is from the west and Québécois are Native-French that never left... Quebec is a native word and not french... Its a word that the french hijack over time... The British did not set out, however, to persecute Quebec's native French population. The Quebec Act, passed in 1774, allowed the Quebecois to have religious freedom.

Also at the time was slavery of native population... so to state that your native descendent are would bring about bad things like capture or get shot… That’s why many left and changed to Métis… I know because I am from Métis-Quebecois… And we had to keep are mouths shut and go to church or no job or money went to you… we the French people who the Algonquin adopted…created the nation of people called Quebecois…

Don't forget that it's like 270 years of new Native-French kids being born...to 1774

The word Nation is used in Canada to describe First Nations Natives like the Cree-Nation so when you talk about the Quebecois they are mostly the Native-French descendents who lived and created Quebec city before 1774… Not Meti who are from the west... If your family tree dates back that far then your a Quebecois.

France back then in 1500 did not build jails they just ship you here to Quebec…it was way to get development going here…

When my great grandfather came over on one boat escaping prosecution he had to change his last name... I think it was a way to track down his descendents... The story was handed down to show the truth how we got here...

Father Paul Le Jeune proposed to the governor, Champlain that they try to promote Huron-French intermarriage. Champlain agreed not only for religious reasons, but also because intermarriage was a way of further cementing French-Native alliances. He also thought that by building a settlement in the Huron country, the French/Huron population could complete the exploration of the continent.26 While the Huron were ambivalent about accepting this proposal, the French court accepted and still promoted it during the late 1660s, namely that French and Natives “mingle” and “constitute only one people and one race.”

[edit] Orderly

I'm reverting the edit that talks about Duceppe getting fired. Aside from it being sloppily done (the sentence doesn't even end), I can't find anything more than this speaking of his work at the hospital. If you have a reference, you can add the information back, although it probably shouldn't go in the introduction, since it's not very relevant. Also, this shows Duceppe as a negotiator. FireWorks 23:49, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Leader of the Opposition, just in case

[edit] Quote

The simple addition of these two quotes, and only these quotes is very sub-par and uninformative, and practically seems partisan (i.e. it feels like it's added by a partisan Conservative supporter):

  1. "We are delighted by the fact that Canada will become the first country to officially recognize the Quebec nation,"
  2. "What's important is that the nation is recognized and it is on that basis that we will demand the government be accountable because it must mean something,"

This does nothing to describe the man, and how he often represents as a politician. I don't even know how these quotes are interesting, despite being current, he has said many conflicting things recently, and such quotes that may represent a need to maintain their influential position in the Canadian government as the balance of power, and prop up the Conservative government. It just doesn't meet the quality standards to make an addition in Wikipedia, and that is my general sense. It sounds like an endorsement of the Conservative government, and this just isn't the place to skew things with a partisan bias. Thank you, and don't take this personally. 209.226.121.182 12:07, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

how does it sound like it was added by a conservative? when the conservatives are the ruling party when the "nation of Quebec" will be recognized. How is it partisan conservative if it goes against its own party lines? I won't even begin to commment on your own extremely biased and unfounded claims such as "Prop up the conservative government"
--Jadger 21:14, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
The conservatives want to steal votes in Quebec and they already try to lessen federal control over all provinces, probably especially since Quebec is taking strange strides into private health care. Aside from this, do you think it really adds anything accurate to simply only add quotes over this one issue, and really describes him at all? 209.226.121.27 05:26, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Now we are accusing the ruling party of larceny, WOW. first of all, for something to be "stolen" it must be owned by someone/thing else first. Votes are not owned by a political party, people are free to vote as they wish. Perhaps you should offer up some more quotes that would better represent the man then? rather than just deleting these.

--Jadger 23:04, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Comparison

As an interesting side note, compare the educational background of the leaders of the separatist movement to the leaders of other major parties in Canada. The new leader of the Liberal party holds a PhD, the leader of the NDP holds a PhD, and the leader of the Conservatives holds a Master's degree (with original research). On the other hand, Duceppe holds what amounts essentially to a CEGEP diploma and Boisclair holds a one year Master's degree from a special program at Harvard that does not require candidates to hold a previous undergraduate degree (which Boisclair does not). Furthermore, unlike Harper's Master' degree, Boisclair did not contribute original research while studying. In fact, the only thing that got Boisclair into the JFK school of government was his years of service as an elected politician and $33,000 USD – hardly the exemplar of a brilliant mind.

The separatist movement in Quebec – in comparison to their opposition – is lead by unread, uneducated, populist leaders. That sums up the PQ's and the Bloc's values – populism over substance or intellect.

Lucien Bouchard has a Law degree. Jacques Parizeau has a degree in Economy from the London School of Economics. Joseph Facal, which was Lucien Bouchard's top strategist, is from Uruguay and has a PhD in Sociology. Pauline Marois, who could become the next leader of the PQ, has a master's degree in business administration. This list could go on for a long time. Seems like your opinion is not based on facts. So you hate the separatist movement... Big deal! But stop polluting the Wikipedia. Hugo Dufort 09:55, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
And I forgot Bernard Landry: «Bernard Landry received a degree in law from the Université de Montréal in Montreal, and a degree in economics and finance from Institut d'Etudes Politiques de Paris in Paris. A practising lawyer, he was a partner in the Montreal law firm of "Lapointe Rosenstein" when he was elected (...)» We can hardly call these leaders "unread, uneducated and populist". Hugo Dufort 05:30, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

My point isn't that the PQ was never led by intelligent people in the past (in fact that is part of the reason why separatists had been so successful), but are led by ignorant people now. The demographics of Quebec are changing and so are the PQ's. If the best the PQ could come up with for the last election was Boisclair, Quebec will not be leaving Canada any time soon. I believe that by and large, young and middle-aged intellectual Quebecers (ie people living big cities) are fine with staying in Canada. The separatist vote can't get above 45% in the foreseeable future - and Marois knows it!

Actually I find the movement to be very bourgeois and exclusivist, not ignorant and populist CJ DUB 15:29, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

How do you explain the popular support, then? Support for independence is constantly between 40% and 50% (newspapers run polls on the subject every now and then), despite the fact that support for the PQ and the BQ can sink to levels as low as 28% at times. Hugo Dufort 22:08, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Hey, I'm just saying what they are; not what their appeal is. Anyway, I think you just proved my point for me that people support the cause and not always the bourgeois leaders. CJ DUB 12:58, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Teacher Slapping Story?

The article includes a often-told story from Duceppe's childhood: "Duceppe's English-speaking Grade 6 teacher slapped him for complaining when the French students had to stand in the aisles on a school bus, and he slapped her back." This event is obviously seared into Duceppe's memory since it influenced his future thinking about Quebec's place in the Canadian federation. I would be interested in learning more about this story, especially since it involves a particularly Old South type of discrimination, i.e., on school buses, French students stand and English students sit. Also, what happened after the dual slapping? Did either the teacher (do we know her name?) or Duceppe get suspended? What have we heard from the students who witnessed this incident? I'm not sure we need a blow-by-blow account of the story in the Duceppe article, but I am curious what is known about it.Que-Can 17:06, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

The school bus story sounds made up; an obvious allegory to the quebequois experience of life in Canada. CJ DUB 15:27, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

It's not made up. See http://www.cbc.ca/montreal/features/bios/duceppe/ I'm putting it back into the article. Snickerdo (talk) 01:53, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
Just a general comment on the article's 'slapping story'. I get a chuckle out of trying to picture the incident - try & imagine, little Duceppe (wearing a factory net on his head, my imagination) 'in' slapper shodown (truly a riot). GoodDay (talk) 16:30, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
The story may or may not be true. The problem is, without corroborating evidence to support M. Duceppe's tale, we'll never know.Que-Can (talk) 13:13, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
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