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[edit] Gilgamesh Prologues
The Gilgamesh Prologues are mentioned on Talk:Lilith, does anyone know what these are and if so maybe write a bit in this article or even make a new article for these Prologues?
- Something like: The twenty-six lines of the hymnic prologue that opens the Epic's Standard version— established by the mid-first millennium BCE— praising Gilgamesh for the great knowledge he had acquired in his travels and explicitly identifying Utnapishtim's story of the flood as something that had been "secret" (ni sirtu) and "hidden" (kat mu) before, are proleptic in character, as is the priestess Shamhat's speech inviting Enkidu to be king in Uruk. They have been inserted by a later editor into the Gilgamesh text. --Wetman 09:13, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
There are no standard versions of gilgamesh, there are a ton of different versions of the same epic, then there are other storys of gilgamesh's exploits, each one a hand written copy of the other likely having other story elements added in by the scribe. the "standard" version you speak of is just a few versions that have more in common with each other. The story of lilith likely comes from various legends floating around in the mid east, as some of the rejected books of the bible, and i think even hebrew lore mention her. - DAFONZ
[edit] Importance
Is it not important to mention the similarities between Noah's arc in the bible and the great flood within the texts of Gilgamesh along with the dating of each book. Gilgamesh is about a larger story, but even the history channel emphasizes the aforementioned similarities bewteen both books and the fact that Gilgamesh precedes the writing of the Bible. Not everyone knows this, however most history erudites do.
I'd say its very important to mention that, unless it is considered too religious . . .
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- Gilgamesh story shares some similarities with the Bible and that should be also precised. I will come up with details later. Regards, Saggiga
There are no similarities with the bible, the story mentions a survivor of the flood, considering that gilgamesh himself is of the same stock as the early hebrews he would have heard the same legends and both peoples would have experianced the same things, as a result both the sumerians and early hebrews experianced the supposed flood. (The flood story is probably as old as modern humans in the area and could relate to the sudden increase in moisture after the last ice age ended, which would have resulted in catastrophic flooding all over the mediterrainian)
The archeologist Dr. David P. Livingston, argues that Gilgamesh is the biblical Nimrod (descendat of Noah) http://www.ancientdays.net/nimrod.htm —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.12.148.238 (talk) 19:15, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
[edit] "Biography"
Please talk more about Gilgamesh's life and not about summerian (Anon.)
- Cobbling together a "biography" out of various mutually non-conforming texts is a long-standing Christian tradition. It can't be applied here. There is no authentic "biography" of Gilgamesh outside his epic. --Wetman 08:40, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
its not a christian tradition, its a normal one, all cultures do it. It has been theorized that the Epic itself was cobbled together by a single writer from various earlier myths and turned into one fluid story. Also, Gilgamesh had a life outside of the epic, and was one of the earliest post flood sumerian kings, i think the 3rd or fifth, so a simple biography would be this:
"Gilgamesh was the ruler of the city of Uruk on the Euphrates river around 2650 BC, He was the subject of many legends and storys, including the first known work of liturature in the history of humanity, the 'Epic of Gilgamesh', in historical records of the kings of Sumeria, he is listed as the 5th king of Uruk. That is, part of the 5th generation after the flood."
wasnt that hard was it? -DAFONZ
[edit] Deification
"Gilgamesh is written with the determinative for divine beings (DINGIR)" The reason this is so and there is no gilgamesh cult is because he was not a god, in the epic it states that he was part god part man, 2 thirds god, 1 third man, as a result his name would have been written to signify his deity heritage. - DAFONZ
[edit] Facts
Gilgamesh ruled in Uruk around year 2650 BC.
He was son of Lugalbanda and the goddess Rimat Ninsun.
He made his people work very much to build new monuments and became then a tyrant.
When he meets Enkidu, he stops being a tyrant.
With his friend, he killed the king Huwawa and a giant Bull.
When Enkidu died, he was afraid to die and searched for the plant of immortality.
After bringing it from the waters of death, a snake ate the plant.
Gilgamesh died lying next to his beloved friend Enkidu.
Saggiga
- Couldn't you just add it on? --I wanna fly 04:20, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] In pop culture?
Wow this article is just utterly ridiculous. The pop culture overshadows the rest of the article, yet a long bibligraphy is included, which makes zero sense, w/ the pop culture being the main focal point of the entire article. I can tell you there is plenty of info on Gilgamesh to fill this article to its capicity, w/out the needence of an pop culture section. Whoever, included this long book list of bibliography but filled the article up with pop culture nonsense is an idiot. I don't think the article barely references the biblio section, theres like one or two paragraphs and thats it on the actual Gilgamesh and I am pretty sure that what is said in those paragraphs does not even come close to using that many books to do so.
I mean for starters, one could count the differences in various versions and translations of Gilgamesh! That alone could fill this article up.
This article is in dire need of love and care. I expect way better than this from wikpedia and than editors on such a high profile, important, and popular myth as Gilgamesh. I mean I have seen bad articles in my time, but I think this is the worst.
Xuchilbara 03:19, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
- Well it was pretty generic and uncited, so removal was better for now. Enlil Ninlil (talk) 03:56, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
No. It shouldn't even be up there. We have a seperate page for those kind of things. Its trivial and of little importance to the historical Gilgamesh. Xuchilbara (talk) 09:18, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
[edit] what a great histroy
This country has a great history, there is almost nothing that did not start there, what a shame that other people cannot go there & discover & see everything by our own eyes, if it hasnt been destroyed, I hope not, I also red somewhere that Adam is burried there & that Noah arch started from north Iraq, like somewhere Mosul or Kerkuk. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.6.158.33 (talk) 20:32, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
[edit] 26 BCE??
It states in the Biography that Gilgamesh might have ruled during the 26th century B.C.E.. This is incorrect information. The correct information is that he might have ruled in 2650 B.C.E.
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.44.56.101 (talk) 00:12, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
- Well I believe they found a tablet or brick with his name on it, that would be part of the evidence. If you have a source then you could add it too. Enlil Ninlil (talk) 03:59, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
