Talk:Gija Joseon

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[edit] How can books written so much later be quoted as sources of authority?

I continue to be amazed at all the historians for continuing to quote from the Samguk Yusa as if it was Gospel Truth. A book written in 13th Century CE with political justification in mind would be suspect by any criteria. However, Korean national pride has prevented an unbiased assessment of the past. Although all the East Asian states are guilty of such biase, it appears the Koreans are much more rigidly so.Wayne Leigh 10:32, 2 November 2007 (UTC)


[edit] The removal of the former first paragraph of the "Controversy of Gija Joseon" section

Please justify why the existence of that former paragraph adds anything to the article. The paragraph is POV and unnecessary given the better-stated reasons arguing against the historicity of Gija Joseon above and below it. Further, it is internally logically inconsistent:

  1. It argues against Gija Joseon's existence by assuming that a lack of archaeological evidence for its existence.
  2. It then argues that a tomb in Shandong is Jizi/Gija's tomb.
  3. Further, it cites, for support, a Web site that I've looked at; nothing on that Web page supports the assertion.

That doesn't work logically. First, there is no conclusive -- or even persuasive -- evidence that it was Jizi's tomb (and there is really no archaeological evidence that the person of Jizi even existed -- which I'd say is a much better argument for the non-existence of Gija Joseon). Second, assuming that it is Jizi/Gija's tomb, then it would actually tend to support the existence of Gija Joseon's existence, by extension of other Korean legends that stated that the Shandong Peninsula was at one point Korean-ruled. (See, e.g., Chi You.) The paragraph's statements are analogous to assertions that Yang Guifei fled to Japan because there was a tomb claiming to be hers in Japan. That simply makes no sense. If it's going to be reinserted, it needs to be cleaned up and re-attributed with better citation, while at the same time justified. --Nlu (talk) 17:03, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

RfC has been filed. Korea history (talk ยท contribs), please stop reverting without discussion and without justifying your reasons. I am, and other editors are, making good faith efforts to try to discuss the reasons for the edits. You are not. Please at least try to engage in a discussion. --Nlu (talk) 15:27, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

If, as you claimed before, your English isn't good enough to engage in a discussion, then I think you have to seriously consider whether you are truly adding to the quality of English Wikipedia with your edits. Further, even if that is the case, you can and should write comments in Korean and ask someone else to translate it. --Nlu (talk) 15:33, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] RfC

The reasons why I believe the paragraph should be removed are listed above. Please make comments. Thanks. --Nlu (talk) 15:27, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Is there any paragraph base on a fact in this article ...? I doubt there is any true story. I wonder where is the article before the day 16.10.2006. Jtm71 09:17, 24 April 2007 (UTC)