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[edit] Welcome

Hello, welcome to Wikipedia. Here are some useful links in case you haven't already found them:

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snoyes 14:40, 13 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Thanks! Gidonb 20:37, 8 Jan 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism/User page protection

Gidonb - your user page seems to be suffering some vandalism. I saw your comments in the page history and have taken the liberty of protecting it. If you don't want this, I (or any other moderator) will be happy to undo it. →Raul654 01:55, May 20, 2004 (UTC)

Thanks Raul! I restored a Belgium page from vandalism, after which the vandal took it on my homepage. Can you take the protection off again later this week? Thanks, Gidonb 02:16, 20 May 2004 (UTC)
I have unprotected your user page. →Raul654 15:36, May 27, 2004 (UTC)
Thank you for keeping track! Gidonb 04:55, 28 May 2004 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Unrecognized Countries

Hi Gidonb, I noticed you had made contributions to Western Sahara. If you're interested in Western Sahara and similar places, why don't you drop by the WikiProject Unrecognized countries and help add some more depth to Wikipedia's coverage of these?

Be sure to visit the Project talk page, and if you are interested, you can become a member. Ambivalenthysteria 12:22, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Thank you for thinking of me. Unfortunately, I am too busy at present with other stuff. Good luck with the project! Gidonb 18:09, 17 Oct 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Freedom of speech

See Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Violence against Israelis. Thank you. IZAK 12:01, 3 Oct 2004 (UTC)

  • Looked at the at the page and saw the voting was already discontinued. Did not have time to read what the discussion was about. I try to be a man of peace. I believe it is important to discuss actions, by all parties taking part in the Palestinian-Israeli conflict, in a free manner. Gidonb

See these six categories up for "votes of deletion": Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion#Category:Palestinian_terrorists and Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion#Category:Palestinian_terrorist_organizations and Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion#Category:Middle_East_terrorists and Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion#Category:Terrorist_organizations and Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion#Category:Islamic_terrorist_organizations and this one too: Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion#Category:Jewish_terrorist_organizations IZAK 10:10, 5 Nov 2004 (UTC)

  • I did react this time. In each case, I voted for the continued use of 'terrorist organizations'. Gidonb 18:15, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Please see Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/IZAK/Evidence. Thank you. IZAK 07:05, 7 Nov 2004 (UTC)

  • I did respond. Do not let anyone make you shut up! Gidonb 18:15, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Unverified images

Hi! Thanks for uploading the following image:

  • Image:Image_Hizb.jpg

I notice it currently doesn't have an image copyright tag. Could you add one to let us know its copyright status? (You can use {{gfdl}} if you release it under the GNU Free Documentation License, {{fairuse}} if you claim fair use, etc.) If you don't know what any of this means, just let me know at my talk page where you got the images and I'll tag them for you. Thanks so much. [[User:Poccil|Peter O. (Talk, automation script)]] 03:14, Dec 10, 2004 (UTC)

P.S. You can help tag other images at User:Yann/Untagged_Images. Thanks again.

Please see my response at the picture's page. Please delete the picture if these rights are not sufficient for keeping it on Wikipedia. Thank you! Gidonb 23:15, 11 Dec 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Your VfD entries

Thanks for taking the trouble to visit the tricky, prickly VfD page. I'll take care of getting your 3 nominations properly coded where they belong, namely Wikipedia:Redirects for deletion

You should probably study the instructions in the VfD footer some more, tho, for future use. [smile]
--Jerzy(t) 01:00, 2004 Dec 16 (UTC)

Hello Jerzy! I noticed the requests were placed wrong, but was not sure where to move them. Thank you for your kind assistance! Best regards, gidonb 13:35, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Germany

Hello Gidonb! There's a reply for you regarding your post as of Jan 29 on my talk page. Heimdal 11:05, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Hello Heimdal. I replied, but never got a response. Only more vandalism on Germany. Please also see my reponse to User:Victor_Hugo. Regards, gidonb 14:38, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Sbarro article

My pleasure. Jayjg (talk) 21:35, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Offensive images

Hi Gidon: Please see Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion#March 31 [1] for vote on offensive Nazi propaganda "image"

Thank you. IZAK 09:33, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Anytime. BTW a simple link would have done the job. gidonb 01:31, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Hi Gidon: See Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion#April 1 about the offensive Image:Shark Palestine Caricature.jpg This highly offensive anti-Israel "caricature" spoofing Jaws that depicts the POV that Israel is the the aggressive "shark" and that the Palestinians are poor little innocent "victims". Thanks. IZAK 22:30, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Template talk:Israelis

Hi Gidon, please see current discussion at Template talk:Israelis. Thank you. IZAK 07:04, 5 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] "Thank you for your understanding"

I actually see your point, but I just want to let you know that saying "Thank you for your understanding" to someone who has not already agreed with you or expressed an understanding is pretty condescending. I'm not sure if English is your first language or not, so I wanted to let you know that. I do see why you think adding that English is a Germanic language isn't relevant to a general article about Germany, but the "Thank you for your understanding" before you know my position on the matter I can do without. Moncrief 02:54, May 7, 2005 (UTC)

It is not my first language, Dutch is. Although I did not know of any wrongdoing, I will take your word for it, and thus apologize. gidonb

[edit] Heads up!

Heimdal is calling you out on the Germany talk page. He's thinking about starting arbitration proceedings against you for vandalism if you don't explain what you think is "extremely biased" about his version by Tuesday. Just wanted to let you know. Infamouskitty 03:59, 15 May 2005 (UTC)

Thank you for letting me know. I am back home, so I could address some of his remarks. Because of his very rude language, behavior and threats I usually feel disinclined to start a direct discussion with this person. I hope that the other participants understand. Further, all my edits to the article were explained in the edit summary and in line with the previous critique about the bias and length of this article. I will see what I can do to further illimunate them. gidonb 12:48, 15 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Germany

Sorry, for my mass revert. Your edits did not look good but I guess I was wrong. Andries 07:21, 7 May 2005 (UTC)

I'm sorry gidonb, no offense intended. I did plead ignorance, and I do recognize you as a good editor. My statement about your bias was informed by the allegation that you insisted on inlining an image of Holocaust victims into the Germany page at one point (it should be clear to you that this will just not fly, over time). You must understand, however, that you are in a bilateral conflict with Heimdal. His faith is just as good as yours, you simply disagree on a few points. I recommend you work this out in an rfc. You were acting from a position of strength, since your version was protected, twice. You seemed less than eager to earnestly discuss issues as long as your version was safely protected. What we want, however, is an article that has a foundation in a consensus, so the community will be prepared to defend it, so we won't have to defend it by protection. It will be tedious to work out the issues, but it will be just as tedious now as it will be in two weeks. A couple of reverts do no harm: the article remains unchanged, but people learn to collaborate. You should be prepared to compromise. I imagine you will be less adamant about removing reference to the Geman sound shift than you are about including the Holocaust death toll? So why don't you just yield the sound change tidbit, and leave it to others to decide whether it has a place. etc. dab (ᛏ) 10:09, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

however, if you completely disagree with me, you are of course free to request protection at RfP. If another admin decides to reprotect, I will not act unilaterally again. dab (ᛏ) 10:12, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

I believe your last action eternalizes the issues at the Germany page. I am getting fed up with it anyway, just like the others. Too many insults, including from you, too little cooperation. Nobody seems to care anymore about what is going on. Perhaps a lost case. The holocaust will be deluted again, other genocides ommitted, the history flooded with details. When some administrators work unevenhanded, what remains left to do? It only proves what Heimdal claimed about you to begin with. And stop calling me names, this is rude behavior. gidonb 10:19, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

well, if I did call you names inadvertently, I do apologize sincerely. But I am not aware that I did. I have no agenda on the Germany page except getting it unprotected. You do understand, of course, that the Germany page does not focus on genocides? It gives brief references, to all sorts of topics, including genocides. If your version doesn't stand a chance of surviving without protection, it is apparently unsuitable for Wikipedia. Of course your version will be "diluted", i.e. it will be "edited mercilessly", just like you agreed when you posted it. If you think that unprotecting a page "eternalizes" issues, I am honestly not sure that Wikipedia is the right place for your contributions, eternal change is one of its key principles. I do not want to bother you, and I'll leave you alone if you don't reply, but unless you explain how I am supposed to have insulted you, I am afraid I cannot take the accusation to heart. dab (ᛏ) 10:50, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
also, if you think I acted unevenhandedly as an admin, I invite you to leave a note on WP:AN/I to get the attention of, and input from, other admins. regards, dab (ᛏ) 11:03, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

If you by your own admitting know very little about this page and its issues, why do you bother to deal with it? The problem of the Germany page is that Wikipedians are not free to contribute and the content seems to be dictated by one person (see many references this point on its talk page, including its history). Whatever one writes, it is reverted without explanations. The eternal change is what I demanded, and you just ruined. Since I agreed to the compromise and fixed the error on the Holocaust page (it was in disagreement with the source it referred to) and all other compromise proposals, I am not being taken serious and furthermore you have the cheek to suggest I should leave Wikipedia. Thank you very much for your intervention, Dbachmann. gidonb 11:15, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

well, you are welcome, although I don't know what you are talking about. pages should only be protected in an emergency, and there doesn't seem to be an emergency. My 'intervention' ends there, your edits have the same status as everybody else's. dab (ᛏ) 19:58, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

Of course you don't know what I am talking about. By unprotecting before we came to some understanding, you undermined the effort to resolve the basic problems of the page. You also did not bother to react to Heimdal frequent insulting me. From your frequent postings elsewehere, I understand that you were mostly concerned with the interests of the person who approached you and who claimed you operate on his behalf. I will stop the the discussion at this stage, reserving the right to make a statement at the link you provided. I doubt whether it will be useful after your latest action. Also I strongly dislike these "you said this I said that" discussions. I am a man of peace. gidonb 20:22, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

as is evidenced by your continued paranoid bickering against me on Talk:Germany? This is really childish. If I did something wrong, come up front and ask for community feedback (aka RfC). If not, just get over it. I am a bona fide editor, and acted with a good conscience. Your venomous side remarks are just a show of bad taste. You want the page protected? Do as I told you, go over to WP:RfP, and ask for protection, announcing the move on talk. If you do that, I may ask for unprotection, but I'll not unprotect by myself. If you could forgo your sulking, this would just be Wikipedia business as usual. And no, I am not on Heimdal's side, see talk. dab (ᛏ) 11:05, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] IDF Chiefs of Staff

Hello Gidon: As you can see at: History of the Israel Defense Forces#List of Chiefs of the General Staff, there are no articles about six (out of 18) of the Israel Defense Forces' Chiefs of Staff: (1) Dan Shomron (1987-1991); (2) Moshe Levi (1983-1987); (3) Mordechai Gur (1974-1978); (4) David Elazar (1972-1974); (5) Tzvi Tzur (1961-1963); (6) Chaim Laskov (1958-1961). Are you able to provide some history and information about them? Thank you. IZAK 11:19, 22 May 2005 (UTC)

Huh? I think you are missing only five articles in this series ;-) Cheers, shavua tov and good luck! gidonb 12:16, 22 May 2005 (UTC) I correct that statement, you are missing only three. gidonb 12:46, 22 May 2005 (UTC)

Hi. I am glad you liked the translation. I have to finish some personal work tonight, but I will be happy to get to it tomorrow after work. Danny 01:10, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

Thank you and good luck! gidonb 01:19, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

  • Thanks for the solid input, although the David Elazar article could use some help. IZAK 07:31, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Pollard article

I had only intended to remove this quote from the article: [2], which was clearly vandalism. I must have opened the article to edit before you made your changes, and I didn't intend to call your quote deletion vandalism. Thanks for keeping an eye out for vandalism! ElBenevolente 21:00, 22 May 2005 (UTC)

No problem whatsoever. I felt I had to set the record straight. I am relieved to know that I am not the only to pull the trigger sometimes too fast. gidonb 01:19, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Wikiportal/Israel

Shalom Gidon: Please contact User:Humus sapiens who wishes to start a Wikipedia:Wikiportal/Israel See his request below. Thanks IZAK 07:32, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

Hi IZAK (and everyone else here :), Do you think it's time to create Wikipedia:Wikiportal/Israel similar to Wikipedia:Wikiportal/India, Wikipedia:Wikiportal/New Zealand and other Category:Wikiportals? I'm writing this here because it was you who made those wonderful templates and we don't have a portal yet where we could communicate. What do you think? ←Humus sapiens←Talk 05:26, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

  • Hi Humus, it's only me here, but I will pass your message on to "everyone". Yes, your suggestion is excellent, it is certainly time for what you describe, but I have no experience with Wikipedia portals, and if you know how, go ahead and start an Israel portal and I am sure editors of Israel-related articles will support you and join in the effort/s. Behatzlachah. IZAK 05:33, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Occupation of Norway by Nazi Germany

Done. Jayjg (talk) 16:18, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

Thank you! gidonb 17:22, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

Hi, Gidon. There is still more to go on Dado, but I will get it done this evening.

Hi Danny, take it easy and good luck! gidonb 23:25, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Banu Qurayza

Hi, I received this request: "Banu Qurayza I'd be interested in your thoughts, and if you have time, your help in editing.Briangotts 02:34, 31 May 2005 (UTC)" Are you able to take a look at it, it's also being "disputed". Thanks. IZAK 03:43, 31 May 2005 (UTC)

Hi Izak. Sorry, but I can not help you with this one. I know far less on this issue than what is stated in the article. gidonb

[edit] Yigal Amir

Please stop reverting this artice. I know he was convicted of murder by the Israeli court. But some people in Israel consider him as a hero and not as a murderer. The court is not always right, the court can make some mistakes sometimes. Please avoid using the word "murder" in this article. --Haham hanuka 15:57, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Gal Vardi

This article doesn't have any supporting information, how do you know that it is all fake? You should list it on VFD with this info. - Stoph 23:56, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

The person never existed, unless it is the name of the author or some buddy of him. The text is nonsensical. Somebody is obviously pulling our leg. gidonb 01:19, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
I suppose I too quickly assume good faith - Stoph 01:58, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] List of Jews VfD

Your solution was not quite correct. It was a 24. anon who made the 2nd 68. anon edit, using the previous 68. anon edit's IP address as a sig, of sorts, but the first 68. vote was recorded correctly as having been made by someone w/ a 68. IP addy. Hence my question, "what is going on here?!" If anything, the 2nd 68. vote should be unstricken, and 24. should be blocked or at least warned against vandalism. I'm too close to the whole thing, having been arguing with him for some time now on the List's Talk: page. Thoughts? Recommendations? Tomer TALK 08:19, August 10, 2005 (UTC)

Hi Tomer, if my edit was not correct, please improve it. I edited to the best of knowledge and if you know better, I would like you to correct it. gidonb 08:24, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
Hello. I was going to bed.  :-) I'm up now. I'll check on it in a bit. Tomer TALK 19:54, August 10, 2005 (UTC)
I urge you to reconsider your vote; see the talk page, specifically the latest discussion between Tomer and User 24 about breaking this down into several smaller lists. freestylefrappe 20:58, August 10, 2005 (UTC)
Freestylefrappe, that is one of many good ideas I can come up with to improve the list. But even then, this list could serve as the root to all these more spcialized lists plus the country lists, also giving some examples of all. Therefore, if you agree with these ideas, I will urge you to review your vote. gidonb 21:37, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] "independent court of justice"

What is an "independent court of justice"? Jayjg (talk) 20:19, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

Please see on your page. Please polish the language as needed. gidonb 20:20, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

You should look at the Whistleblower page as well; it seems to have a spurious entry. Jayjg (talk) 20:22, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Allegations of violating the three revert rule

That's a violation of policy. --Joodoo 05:34, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

Only if the edits are according to our rules. They are not. gidonb 05:37, 13 August 2005 (UTC)
Read the policy. Wikipedia:Three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. --Joodoo 05:43, 13 August 2005 (UTC)
Well, I just asked for independent advice. Just to give you the benefit of the doubt. gidonb 05:46, 13 August 2005 (UTC)
My understanding is that since your edits are vandalism, the three revert rule does not apply. gidonb 05:52, 13 August 2005 (UTC)
You are now violating the Wikipedia:No personal attacks and Wikipedia:Assume good faith policies. You will be blocked from editing if you continue in this manner. Last warning. --Joodoo 06:06, 13 August 2005 (UTC)
This is only my understanding from reading the rules, I do not accuse you of anything. As I told you, I have asked an independent party to look into the chain of events. gidonb 06:11, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

By the way, I regret these accuations which seem to violate the rules you are referring to. All I said is in good faith and not a personal attack. gidonb 06:57, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

Don't worry about that editor; it was just another sockpuppet of banned User:Alberuni. By the way, you might be interested in this: Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Kempler video. Jayjg (talk) 20:18, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Tibi-and-Teebi

Not sure, but I think they may be two different persons. Shem(talk) 21:53, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

You are right. Thank you for pointing this out! gidonb 02:34, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
Perhaps we should put short exchange-dabs at the top of each article, in case someone else has wondered the same thing? "For the physician, see," and "for the Israeli politician, see," etc. Shem(talk) 08:04, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
Sounds like a good idea to me! These are two Palestinian physicians with exactly the same name, but they transcribe it differently. gidonb 08:06, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
Done and done. Care to clean up Teebi's article? Between the two of us, it could at least become a respectable stub. Shem(talk) 08:30, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
I have put it in text form and added titles. You are welcome to reduce the PR level if you like. Regards, gidonb 02:26, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Vacation

nice to hear u had a good time. maybe this is the place to discuss some things sometime. greetz Aleichem 02:24, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

Hi Aleichem, thanks for asking about our trip. We were away for 24 days. Since it is hard to kick a habbit, I did edit a bit at en.wikipedia when I happened to be near a computer. At nl.wikipedia I continued to vote, revert vandalism and answer questions. We can discuss anything you like. I am concerned with the sudden increase in POV-pushing at nl.wikipedia. Best regards, gidonb 03:12, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
BTW, I never knew that you disagreed with some of the edits at Red Cross, before I put the POV warning on top of that page. gidonb 04:39, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
i am suspicious with everything lander does. Aleichem 21:14, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
PS as u speak english better than i do, would u plz be so kind to read Camille Huysmans over to see there are not too many mistakes in it? tnx. Aleichem 22:25, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
I started working on it, but still am not finished. I was very puzzled about several facts. To my disgrace I have to admit that I know very little about Belgium. I am sure this would have been different if I had grown up in the Netherlands. From a distance, however, I only sort of kept up to date with the happenings in the land of cheese and windmills. gidonb 01:43, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] racism

hi there, any pb's on the dutch wiki? this night was awful. form 13:20 yesterday till 07:00 this morning i was busy with looking at tech pb's being solved. now everyting looks ok. fr: and jp: had pb's too Aleichem 09:52, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Joseph Ivor Linton

Hi Gidonb, I recently noticed that you wrote "WARNING: THIS ARTICLE MAY BE A HOAX **** " at the top of the above-mentioned article. Although it is important to voice concerns about validity of claims made on Wikipedia, writing "WARNING: THIS ARTICLE MAY BE A HOAX ****" at the top of an article is not the way to do it. For this purpose, there are the Talk pages (which I see you also used) as well numerous Templates.--Carabinieri 14:23, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

Hi Carabinieri. You are right. I ran into this article, felt I had to warn readers but could not find the template right away and really had to move on. Accidently I forgot all about it until I found your message. Although I live in the US, I happen to be more active on the Dutch Wikipedia than here. Nevertheless, I did exposed several hoaxes at the English Wikipedia, recently even a set of hoax articles and edits which went by unnoticed for quite a while. I guess I am more of a subject matter freak, than of format, but I do agree that the latter should also be done right. Best regards, gidonb 23:59, 21 September 2005 (UTC)


Heya. Although vigilance against hoaxes is of the utmost importance, in this particular case you're wrong. It was quite difficult to find independent info on the existence of Mr Linton, because of Wikimirrors muddling the waters, but this article, which refers to original source documents from the Israel Diplomatic Archives, clearly indicates that Linton was a real person. Check the bibliography. I hope that I can convince you to change your vote. DS 13:47, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Dutch frontpage

i reverted ur addition to the dutch frontpage. gtz Aleichem 16:24, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

yep for that last reason, gtz Aleichem 06:34, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
I understand. Please explain your changes to my edits as you do for for all registered users. I also feel a little uncomfortable about the fact that you started reacting here in English (or on nl.wikipedia in English) to my edits on the Dutch Wikipedia. It feels as if I do not belong. I am sure you meant well and perhaps only would like to practice your English. We agree about Lander. gidonb 01:36, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Categ:Jewish diaspora, vfd

Hi Gidon, Category:Jewish diaspora has been nominated for deletion. See Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2005 October 16. IZAK 04:36, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Israeli settlement

What are you trying to accomplish with your edits at this article? It seems like vandalism to me. Marsden 17:45, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

Why vandalism? I did not erase any text, just hid the utterly mistaken text to deal with the article's accuracy problem. 17:48, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
Blanking of page, followed by insertion of your own POV in order to make a point constitutes an obvious breach of Wikipedia guidelines and I consider it vandalism. Please stop replacing all previous content in the article with your own absurd POV-spin. Whether you do this knowingly or not is not my concern, you know how to edit articles and the vandalized version I reverted was this: [3] Cybbe 19:02, 27 October 2005 (UTC)


Calling my in detail explained edits, which deal with a serious problem in an article, "vandalism" is totally against the rules and the community spirit of Wikipedia and ruin the good atmosphere in which collegues to this project are suposed to work together at improving various articles. Please stop this undesirable behavior as soon as you can! gidonb 19:08, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

I think the existing name (Israeli settlement) makes much more sense, that is the common term - I've restored it to that name until consensus on some other name can be reached. Jayjg (talk) 20:36, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

It may be common, but from a social science perspective it also plain wrong. However, I do respect your decision since I did not mean to impose my perspective, but wanted to solve a discrepancy between basic concepts taught from elementary school onwards and the concepts used at Wikipedia. I guess my case did not get trough. gidonb 03:11, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

I understand; like the term "Occupied territory" itself, it's another case where common use seems to have defeated NPOV. I would appreciate it if you still kept an eye on the article, though, some people are still trying to insert POV into it. Jayjg (talk) 00:50, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

I will do my best. Lately I have been spotting mostly problems at the articles related to the Rabin murder. Is this video guy allowed to accuse me of murder? Also, after I stopped checking for a while, I noticed the the holocaust was deleted from the Germany page again. En.wikipedia is somewhat of a mess. Too much POV-pushing and too legalistic. Believe it or not, on nl.wikipedia things are actually improving somewhat. Lately the public has diversified a little and there seems to be somewhat more of consensus against pov-pushing. They are short of moderators however, and want me join that team. I am in no hurry but may join sometime in the future. That would mean I would have to cut back here, because I am already spending too many hours on Wikipedia. All the best, gidonb 03:25, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Naming conventions for articles on Jews

As there is a great deal of inconsistency in the naming of articles about Jews, I have proposed that they be made consistent. I'd appreciate it if you could commment on this here: Template_talk:Jew#Name_of_articles_on_Jews. Thanks. Jayjg (talk) 23:22, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] History of Arab-Israeli Conflict

Hi Gidon, please take a look at History of Arab-Israeli Conflict. Is it needed since it is basically a somewhat exanded version of the Arab-Israeli conflict article? I put a "merge to" sign on it. What do you think? Thanks. IZAK 09:59, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Template:Mormon_jew

Looking at a new article called Groups Exiled from Judaism, and not quite sure what to make of it, I was shocked to see that the well-used Template:Jew has now been "taken-over" by a pro-Mormon user and a new similar-looking Template:Mormon_jew is now being utilised. This Mormon template plagiarises and makes confusing use of the original Template:Jew. The Mormon template must be radically changed ASAP. Your attention is needed. Perhaps we should follow official channels too. Thank you. IZAK 16:42, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Kempler video and Rabin murder conspiracy

Hey Gidon, no hard feelings, there was an article in Ynet.co.il about the inciteful stuff that I put on my web sites against Shimon Peres. When ynet wrote that it gave the whole Israeli media the green light. Stuff is happening, this may not last many more weeks. Regardless, keep up the good work on wiki and take care. David Rutstein. Kempler video 16:42, 2 November 2005 (UTC) channel 2 had TV program that found 3rd hole in Rabin's shirt. Amir demands retrial based on new evidence. Tom Segev, Haaretz newspapers, demands investigation. Rabin's head bodyguard demands reinvestigation. Many media outlets are now pushing conspiracy. Including entire right wing, religous media. Maariv just did big expose on conspiracy with Barry Chamish. This thing is over. I do have a Knesset member lined up that will push in Knesset and of course we are talking worldwide media.Kempler video 16:42, 4 November 2005 (UTC

[edit] Revert war on Israel and West bank

Take a look at the antics of User:Aabaas http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Aabaas recently in Israel and West Bank articles. Thanks IZAK 07:12, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

In these summaries he confesses to POV pushing. He should be warned and perhaps blocked. Bye, gidonb 13:52, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Your attention requested

Please see Talk:Jordan#Blatherskyte. Tomer TALK 06:26, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Crazy changes by Gilgamesh

Unfortunately, User:Gilgamesh is now imposing his own views by changing the transliterated Hebrew names of articles with redirects to unreadable Hebrew names and fonts, as if his criteria are the only ones to reckon with, when there are in fact several. My computer, as I am sure many others' as well, does not pick up his type of fonts, and thus he is messing up articles such as Safed, Hadera, Holon, Afula, Arad, Israel and many others defacing them and making them unreadable on the web. He is going to DESTROY the normal usage of Wikipedia's Hebrew transliterations to satisfy his own needs without there being any consensus. Common usages are being thrown out in favor of obscure and pedantic academic usages familiar to only a handful of unkown academics. He should be called upon to stop BEFORE he rushes to do further damage without any consensus being reached. All his changes should therefore be reverted. See all his recent contributions via: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Gilgamesh I thank you for your interest, and urge all readers here to act. IZAK 03:37, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Hebrew naming conventions

At the present time there is a serious discussion taking place, aiming at some consensus that will result in "official" Wikipedia guidelines about how Hebrew should be used and written in Wikipedia articles. Because of your past or ongoing interest in these type of articles with Hebrew words in them, your attention is called to Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Hebrew) [4] TO MAKE YOUR VIEWS KNOWN AND TO ADD TO THE DISCUSSION BEFORE THE "DOORS ARE SHUT" PLEASE SEE THE RELATED DISCUSSION PAGE AT Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (Hebrew) [5] Thank you! IZAK 03:37, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Yigal Amir

Please DO NOT revert articles without a reason. My edits were made to remove POV. --Haham hanuka 17:08, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

So were my edits. Please do not use the minor edits option when you substantially change the contents of an article. This is against the WP rules. gidonb 17:10, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
Note: User has been warned for his behavior in this particular case by an alert moderator and since has been permanently blocked. gidonb 02:53, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Jewish history stub

Hi Gidon: Please see, and cast your vote at [6] concerning Category:Jewish history-related stubs. Thanks. IZAK 10:32, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Sorry Izak, but the move seems a good idea. Its only purpose is to make the categories consistent. gidonb 10:42, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
You are right, and I did change my own vote after they explained what they wanted to do. IZAK 18:44, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Hello!

Thanks for that revert! See you around :-) --HappyCamper 00:51, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

You are most welcome. Deleting racism brings me special joy! ;-) gidonb 00:53, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Mormon view of the House of Joseph

Hi Gidon: Here is another mish-mash for you to take a look at: Mormon view of the House of Joseph. Best wishes, IZAK 18:43, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks for your support on my RfA! :-)

תודה רבה, גדעון...Thanks for your support on my RfA. The final outcome was (57/4/3), so I am now an administrator. If you need help, have a question, or just want to chat (or if I get out of line!), please don't hesitate to let me know! Again, thanks! :D

Tomertalk

You are most welcome. Thank you for the nice thank you note! gidonb 06:35, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] New vote for Tanakh moved

Gidon: You can find the NEW vote to rename Category:Hebrew Bible/Tanakh --> Category:Tanakh now located at Wikipedia:Categories for deletion#Hebrew Bible/Tanakh [7] Thanks again. IZAK 17:25, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Tel Aviv

Gidon, Please, when you make more than 1 or 2 changes to a page, like Tel Aviv, make those changes by clicking the preview button, not the save one. By clicking save 18 times you clog the history and make it VERY hard for an editor (like me) to track the changes made to the page in an attempt to help improve. Thanks for understanding!!! Sebastian Kessel Talk 19:08, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

Hello Sebastian, I am sorry to hear that you got confused by the number of edits. This time I made fewer edits - again well explained - so I hope that you'll be able to keep better track! Regards, gidonb 23:07, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
You did great this time and I greatly appreciate it! Sebastian Kessel Talk 02:11, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
PS: Kindly reply in my talk page too, so WP will let me know that I "Have a message". :)
Sebastian Kessel Talk 02:11, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

If some states regard a city as a capital of another state that fact has to be stated in an article about that city up front. Not to do so is both POV and unencyclopædic. I happen to disagree with their designation of Tel Aviv as Iserael's capital but it cannot be left out from the opening of the page because millions of people worldwide hear it referred to as being the Israeli capital daily. (The BBC did it only last night yet again.) At one stage it was even described as the Israeli capital on the official website of the Athens Olympics. Any removal of such an important fact about the city will be reverted on sight. FearÉIREANN\(caint) 00:37, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Just some background: Why did you decide to turn to me with your personal opinions on this matter? Are you certain you understood my edits and did not confuse me with someone else? gidonb 00:45, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] WP:3RR

You have reverted a page more than 3 times in 24 hours. That merits a block. I won't do it but stop reverting or you might find yourself blocked. Sebastian Kessel Talk 00:57, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

No I most certainly did not. This is a false allegation. Please stop making false allegations. I await your apologies. Please write them wherever these false allegations are made. 67.176.185.74 01:00, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
I don't know if this is you, but here is the log:
  1. 17:56, 28 December 2005 Gidonb (Please all stop politicizing this article. This matter is already discussed in the text. Discussions on the status of Jerusalem as capital of Israel - pros and cons - should be held there.)
  2. (cur) (last) 17:50, 28 December 2005 Gidonb (PLEASE ALL STOP THIS FIGHT. This issue has been
  3. (cur) (last) 13:36, 28 December 2005 Gidonb

My mistake, it is 3 already. In any event, I WON'T block you since it would be unethical. But somebody else may choose to. Sebastian Kessel Talk 01:03, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Your call for others to block me is also unethical. As are your false accusations. gidonb 01:21, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

I reverted the edits twice. I await your apologies. gidonb 01:04, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

APOLOGIES??? You should be thankful I'm letting you know! Sebastian Kessel Talk 01:05, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
PS: I am taking your user page off my watchlist. If you have something to say, use my talk page as I am using yours. Sebastian Kessel Talk 01:06, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Just to set this straight for the record, my third edit of which Sebastiankessel alleges is a revert, was a removal of mistaken information [8] that had nothing to do with the battle which pro and anti Jerusalem as the capital of Israel regrettably fight out at the Tel Aviv page. This matter is discussed on the Tel Aviv talk page.

Distressed? Dude, if this issue gets you distressed then you should reevaluate your priorities. I will not offer any apologies for actually trying to help you. If you don't like it, so be it. Sebastian Kessel Talk 01:52, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Making false accusations consists of no help. I tried reduce all POV on the Tel Aviv page and you just increased it, falsely alleging that I had broken a rule - while you know this is a perfect lie - and trying to mislead others into blocking me. You totally blew it this time and anyone who will check out the facts will see it for her/himself. You should be ashamed of yourself trying to smear the reputation of someone with such a perfect reputation in dispute resolution and POV and hoax fighting as me. gidonb 02:19, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Dude, you're paranoid. Smear reputations? Mislead others? No admin will block you without checking facts and if they do it solely on THIS message, shame on them. If I wanted you blocked, I would've done it myself, posted it on WP:ANI or proclaimed it in the Tel-Aviv page. If you think admins will track every user talk page to see who might've violated 3RR you're sorely mistaken. Good bye. Sebastian Kessel Talk 02:26, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
Since you are clearly part of this POV war over the Tel Aviv pages - which I tried to reduce - and you did not apologize for your false accusations, I have asked that your brute behavior in this affair will be investigated. gidonb 02:30, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
Not a clue about what you mean. G'luck. Sebastian Kessel Talk 02:40, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
Of course not. gidonb 02:43, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Tanakh / Torah / Old Testament

Hi Gidon: Please see my discussions with User:Fischersc at User talk:IZAK#Tanakh / Torah / Old Testament, your input would be appreciated. Thank you. IZAK 04:43, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Hi IZAK, I don't know if I can contribute much right now. As you know I am in favor of using shared categories. This should be accomplished three-sidedly, as the contents of the Tanakh/Old Testament differ for Catholics/Orthodox (between them differences are minor), Protestants and Jews. I would like to refer everyone to the Dutch model, where I actually gave up using the categories Tanakh so that a common language could be reached. Beyond the desirable sake of finding a common language in a shared project and a little alteration when writing articles (as an art style), I do not see why the Tanakh but not the Old Testament should be called Hebrew Bible. This would be Christian POV. gidonb 12:49, 29 December 2005 (UTC)