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Mary Celeste

Dear GibNews I appreciate your contributions to the Mary Celeste entry and your desire to keep this story grounded in reliable sources. I note that you reverted a minor but I think very human detail about Mary Celeste's shipboard cat. I can see why a small animal aboard the ship would not figure in any of the inquiry documents in Gibraltar. However this fact comes from a very respected historian and writer from Mary Celeste's home province named Thomas H. Raddall who based it on research with the ships owners and Briggs family. A referenced fact from a reliable published source should, I think be a welcome addition to a Wikipedia article.Letterofmarque (talk)

Gibraltar border town

Who says La Línea de la Concepción is not a town? Have you ever been there? Well I haven't, but I though maybe you have, since you live quite close, and since they say the border is open. Then you should have seen what I see on this photo [1]. Certainly looks like a town, doesn't it?--Ratzer 20:01, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

It most is certainly a town. However Gibraltar does not have a border with La Linea, it has a border with Spain. Its controlled by the Spanish national police and the state, not the municipal authority ot anyone in the towm.
I've certainly been there, but perhaps now you see the point ? --Gibnews 15:37, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

map needed

Hi Gibnews, as a local, could you obtain or create a sketch map that shows the boundaries of the seven "Major Residential Areas"? And could you obtain the area figures of those districts (km²)? So far, we only have population figures. I have written to the Gib govt about those issues but never received a response, unfortunately.--Ratzer 09:04, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

You won't as there are no administrative districts, although they are shown as such on Wikipedia and may be referred to being different 'areas' locally its just a convenience - there are no formal boundaries or difference. From the frontier to Europa Point its one place. --Gibnews 15:42, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
The article does say that the "Major Residential Areas" are NOT administrative districts. They must nevertheless have exact borders, otherwise the census of 2001 could not give exact population figures. Appendix V of the document [2] explains which Enumeration Areas belong to each Major Residential Area, and in the preceding appendix the Enumeration Areas are described by streets, street sections or buildings belonging to them.--Ratzer 11:52, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
Looking at the 2001 census, it does indeed break Gibraltar down into some 90 enumeration areas, and then consolidate them into major residential areas. However apart from the purposes of that census, the areas have no real purpose nor are the enumneration areas necessarily contiguous so it might be hard to show them on a map. However I assume you have a copy of the census, so all you need is a map of Gibraltar and a lot of time !
http://www.dotcom.gi/map/
Gibraltar is also broken down into districts for the purposes of elections, we had one last week, due to all the development things are constantly changing, godamn cranes everywhere !
http://www.gibnet.com/images/housing.jpg

--Gibnews 22:44, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

How many settlements are there? Is it just the main city on the west, and two villages on the east. Europa point has some buildings as well, is that part of the main town/city? —Preceding unsigned comment added by YourPTR! (talk • contribs) 14:28, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Barnstar

I award you the British barnstar of merit for all your work on British relaited articals, and espeshally on Gibraltar, keep up the good work!!!--Boris 1991 18:32, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

I award you the British barnstar of merit for all your work on British relaited articals, and espeshally on Gibraltar, keep up the good work!!!--Boris 1991 18:33, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Your welcome--Boris 1991 07:02, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Fly Gibraltar

You up for "expanding" the article *nudge* ? Biofoundationsoflanguage (talk) 18:36, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

There is nothing to expand it with, however sometime down the line I will nominate it for deletion a third time as being a non notable waste of space. --Gibnews (talk) 19:16, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
Well that would be absolutely tragic! In fact, I'm thinking of nominating it for some sort of award. Never has there been a more worthy article. Biofoundationsoflanguage (talk) 19:41, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
In the meantime my time-machine awaits... *Doctor Who theme tune starts playing* Chris.B (talk) 14:52, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
The press releases are being written embargoed for April 1st. --Gibnews (talk) 18:51, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Size of Gibraltar

I believe my figure is accurate. In 1991 the British Government published a figure for Gibraltar of 2.25 square miles, in 2001 this had increased to 2.53 square miles. I added the size of the island you aquired recently which brings the total up to 2.642 square miles. As far as I know the only other possible reclamation taking place (or planned) is on the east side? Anyway, the 2.53 square mile statistic is certainly out of date. —Preceding unsigned comment added by YourPTR! (talk • contribs) 14:21, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Do you know when the Island is due for completion? Is it going to be given an official name at some point? I wouldn't be surprised if Gibraltar reaches 3 square miles in area or more soon. :) YourPTR! (talk) 22:13, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

I believe its called 'The Island' :) --Gibnews (talk) 01:01, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Censorship of material warning

Please do not remove information from articles. Wikipedia is not censored, and content is not removed even if some believe it to be contentious. Please discuss this issue on the article's talk page to reach consensus rather than continuing to remove the disputed material. Thank you. -- ChrisO (talk) 13:00, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

I fail to see why that was there in the first place, its got nothing to do with the article. Just taking out the rubbish, thats being tidy not censorious --Gibnews (talk) 19:33, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

New Media

Okay, I think I understand. It looked confusing at first, but now I can see how it fits. Thanks for letting me know. SpencerT♦C 14:53, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

True, very true. SpencerT♦C 01:16, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Gibraltarians

I do not know how to help you with the problem. Sorry. Lightmouse (talk) 23:24, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Caruana article

Hi Gibnews:

Just so you know I'm not trying to be a nuisance on references in the article. The policy on biographies of living persons requires cautious use of references. Cheers, Wanderer57 (talk) 12:53, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

I'm aware of the need for references, but a lot of the appropriate material is on video rather than the Internet. Nothing I have added is at all contentious or likely to cause the man to call down his attack lawyers, as he lives not that far away from me ... --Gibnews (talk) 16:59, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

New article

Hi there, I was wondering if you wouldn't mind starting the article Gibraltar sovereignty referendum, 2002 as you already have some information on it in your user page and you probably have easier access to the relevant references. :o)

On another note, I've tried moving some of the 'election' articles back to use the term Gibraltar instead of Gibraltarian but as these have already been moved from this once, it's not allowed... --Gibmetal 77talk 13:19, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

OK will look into it, though that was corrected that already, its a pity some of the editors don't understand the difference ! --Gibnews (talk) 15:30, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
Thanks. But as you can see it's been reverted again. Could you at some point take it to WP:RM as I really shouldn't be spending so much time on Wikipedia at the moment. Thanks --Gibmetal 77talk 16:27, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
Brilliant thanks! --Gibmetal 77talk 18:32, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Page moves

Please don't move pages by cutting and pasting. If you can't move a page, you must go through a WP:RM request, as otherwise page histories are lost.

Also, Gibraltarian is a legitimate adjective to refer to things related to Gibraltar, not just the people - see [3]. Regards, пﮟოьεԻ 57 16:16, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

You reference cited is nonsense, there is no such organisation as Gibraltarian Customs As I have said, Gibraltar can be both a noun and an adjective and is the correct term to describe something 'of Gibraltar' Gibraltarian refers to the people.

Although I note your comments about my correction of this error, it could have been avoided had you discussed the matter first before changing the name. --Gibnews (talk) 17:06, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, but I won't revert to the changes you made because they are against Wikipedia policy. If you want to move the pages because you think they are wrong, you must make a WP:RM request. Pages cannot be moved by cutting and pasting because it breaks the GDFL. пﮟოьεԻ 57 17:53, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
Number 57 is quite right about this. Please don't ever try to do cut-and-paste moves. -- ChrisO (talk) 18:04, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
No he is quite wrong about the title. I would appreciate it if you were more polite in your comments on my user page - you clearly could benefit by reading this. However, as you have joined in I request that YOU sort out the mess that Number 57 has made with the pages about Gibraltar elections and has failed to resolve after having the situation explained and having been asked nicely. The correct use of the term is as I have stated, use of the word Gibraltarian would imply that ONLY Gibraltarians could participate, which is not the case. Its a Gibraltar election. --Gibnews (talk) 20:58, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
Maybe I should have been more specific. He's quite right about not doing cut-and-paste moves - it's not allowed. I have no particular view about the page title but the place to go is WP:RM, as he says, not buggering up the page history by cutting-and-pasting. -- ChrisO (talk) 21:04, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
I transferred it to 'Gibraltar general election' correctly, However Number57 has changed it back without any discussion. Can I suggest you either sort it out, or complain to the person responsible for starting this nonsense, who has had the difference between Gibraltar and Gibraltarian explained to him now by three people who use these terms on a daily basis.
It would help if you pointed things out nicely rather than being rude and helped sort out the mess, rather than complaining to me for trying and then saying you have no interest in its accuracy. --Gibnews (talk) 22:47, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
OK, let me put this simply: We are not allowed to do cut-and-paste moves of content. This is because it destroys the page history. (See the bolded text at Help:Moving a page#Wikipedia-specific help). If you want to move a page to another title, you will need to ask at Wikipedia:Requested moves. I'm not "complaining to you for trying" - I'm simply pointing out that you're doing something that's not permitted and pointing you to the right place. That's all there is to it. -- ChrisO (talk) 22:58, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
OK point taken. However I did move it correctly on 2007-10-17T23:54:39 but its been subsequently fubared. --Gibnews (talk) 23:11, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
Right, I have been there and done that - its messy because there have been more moves made and there are now four pages where a move is requested. --Gibnews (talk) 22:32, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
I added a couple more which you missed Gibnews, so there are now six moves requested. --Gibmetal 77talk 23:01, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Heads up

You're on WP:AN/I. --Major Bonkers (talk) 14:28, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Revert warning

Hi Gibnews. This was a revert, which I had asked on the talk page that you not do. Please don't make any more reverts on this article while it is being discussed as it won't help advance the article, and it is likely to lead to a block for you. Thanks for your consideration, --John (talk) 16:31, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm happy to leave the page as it is at present. However, the quote about the limitations of the ECHR is word for word from their website and is very important in the context of the claim that they 'overturned the verdict of the Gibraltar court'. If it was said that the HSBC regularly sent emails to their clients asking them to confirm their banking details, and on their website they specifically say they never do - it would be important to note that on an article about phishing.
I have not read your other comments until now. --Gibnews (talk) 19:09, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

RE: List of Gibraltar flags

Hello. Sorry I didn't reply to your comment sooner, but I didn't see it for a while under all the signpost updates. Please don't try and patronise me. I don't need to be welcomed now, as I've been editing since June, particually by someone who is featured so much on the Administrators Notice Board. The discussion, as you've probably seen is closed and the article's name has been changed to List of flags of Gibraltar, which is the most neutral name and makes the most sense for people who don't live in GIBRALTAR. We're on the English speaking Wikipedia, not the People who live in Gibraltar Wikipedia. Throughout this whole fiasco there's been a lot of confusion and to be honest as for your claim that Gibraltan is a "nonsense word", I've found no proof whatsoever and I've found more proof that it does exist. Can you now please try and draw a line under this now? Thank you and have a nice day. --DWRtalk 23:02, 17 April 2008 (UTC)