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[edit] Listing history - the hard facts.....yawn.....nod....nod.....

I stumbled across those links during an idle moment at lunchtime and thought you might find them useful for a bit of background context. Rather than sweep it all away [1] if you copy it over here or onto my user space somewhere I'll merge it into the listed building article, currently and ironicly bereft of historic context. --Joopercoopers 23:21, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Aha I missed we suddenly have a talk page here - just the stuff I'm doing at the moment - that section of the page is just basically a collection of thoughts - which could become dangerously close to own research - so I'm just setting things out so if I do come out with anything contraversial regarding the cause of the demolition any statement can be reffed to a legal text book or opinion of someone eminent. Thanks for the links I will use them, at the moment ploughing through some old tomes that have not been opened for years by the smell of them! Giano 07:14, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
I've an up to date copy of the eyewateringly dull 'Architect's legal Handbook', which may be a good citable source if you need it. By the by, I was at a meeting last week with a very eccentric planning-law barrister (A stickler for tradition, even the fuggy, humid, stuffy atmospheres of courtroom in the summer do not deter him from wearing his 3 piece suits complete with vests; his attire isn't ever moderated, even for site visits where he's been seen vaulting barbed wire fences and waving his bowler at bulls.) Anyway, during one of his rambling anecdotes, he talked about a planning appeal he'd done on the Isle of Man. Often in the UK 'overdevelopment' is an issue in planning appeals - more than approx 50 houses per hectare is considered over the top. For the barrister's appeal in the IOM case however, the 'overdevelopment' issue was one where the appellant had proposed development that marginally violated the 'one dwelling per hectare' policy they have over there - the rich man's planning authority. Strangely, for a tax haven, I can't remember reading anything about grand architectural statements on the Isle of Man - I've been to Douglas, which has the feel of an even more windswept Llandudno - maybe you know otherwise? --Joopercoopers 11:17, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
I've only ver been there once, marginally more than thrilling that the Isle of Wight - I'm not sure how much of that stuff I will be using, I just want it there to refer to as the page takes shape. Giano 15:30, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

I'd forgotten about this from the Kinks 1967:-

"The tax man's taken all my dough,
And left me in this stately home,
Lazing on a sunny afternoon.
And I can't sail my yacht,
He's taken everything I got,
All I've got's this sunny afternoon..... etc.

--Joopercoopers 11:36, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sorry

Didn't see the note at the top. Didn't realise it was private user's space (what is that?). Tis a subject which interests me. so I've just wasted my rather valuable time trying to assist. David Lauder 15:14, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Basically it is workshop or a sandbox with a name, many editors like me have more than one page on the go at the same time. In user space one can edit without fear of conflict, try out ideas, play around with text, write a page without bothering too much about spelling and grammar - leave notes to oneself, even as I do often do swear at oneself. This is especially important to me as English is not my first language.
Also when working on a very big page that takes a long time it is invaluable to be able to work without other people's input which can hinder the thought process. Also big pages like this have to be heavily referenced and so things like that can be incorporated into text in a way that could not happen if the page were on "public display". The page can be completely unreadable for days on end - while I sort out what goes where.
One could build a page on a processor package at home, but they never look the same, and the images etc. - so this is just the way I and a lot of other editors have chosen to work. You will have seen there are vast chunks of boring legal stuff, they will not appear in the finished product they are aides de memoir to myself. An advantage of this, is that people can "look over my shoulder" and leave messages on my talk and say - that is a load of bolox or whatever. What passing editors though should remember is that when the page is finished it will be pasted into a brand new page and this page deleted - the messy history of errors and trials deleted and the history page itself. The reason you edits were reverted was so that could happen.
When a page is almost finished I generally invite a couple of friends who write similar pages to copyedits and make suggestions, but at the moment this is no more than a draft for what will hopeful one day, very distant, be a Featured article. User space is something any editor can have and many do. Giano 15:40, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] For Your Information

I know it is not specifically helpful to your (old?) quest for a mention of Northern Irish House destroyed but hey if anyone needs to be informed about these things, its you (plus a possible Reference book) Here: Horace Curzon Plunkett#Recognition abroad

  • I appreciate Wikipedia may never get the benefit of the finished product; but let us know if you publish elsewhere. Best of luck for 2008. Aatomic1 (talk) 22:21, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Germany

Hiya. Thought you might be interested (or not): I was talking to a German architect in Stuttgart a while back, and he told me they were taught in their course that more damage was done to their country's historic buildings by architect-driven initiatives post-WWII than was done by bombing etc during the war.

So, you know, if you get bored or something and start hankering for a new article, maybe you could do a country-by-country series on this topic. ;) Saltation (talk) 14:25, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Thank you, if I ever get arownd to finishing this one, I will bear that in mind. Giano (talk) 15:24, 5 May 2008 (UTC)