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This is the archive of my talk page, that has been cleaned after a few months.

Then welcome to userland. One more registered Wikipedian is one more good news for the rest of us szopen

Thank you, I hope my bad english is not instead a bad news, with the help it will require... :-))) Gianfranco

Allora ... so i am not the only in here :-)) Zisa Baci ... 'eaiu dount sacciu nenti megghiu l'inglish' ;-O

Ahò, damoje sotto pero', che so' na cifra!! Ben trovato :-))) - Gianfranco

è... vado a cercare marsale (con l'uovo) ... ci wikipediamu dopo pasqua credo ;-O Zisa

'ngiorno, sono Piero, grazie per le correzioni, io conosco solo l'inglese tecnico (ed anche malaccio :) ) ik1tzo

Gianfranco, please try to check English titles and names before posting an article. I have changed Rodolfo Valentino to Rudolph Valentino, Agriturismo to Agritourism, and The Outsider to the Stranger already. Danny

Danny, I regret for the inconvenients I create, but sometimes it's difficult for me to consider which is the most used form of a name or, better, to suspect that there is a local form and that this one is even prevalent. This prevalence, honestly, I would not have imagined for Valentino, while for The Stranger I had copied the link in the Camus' page, where The Stranger is defined as a literal translation and the other seemed preferred (now I realise I should have followed the link...).
I'll try to better check names.
In our mentality we use foreign words possibly as precisely as we can, also because we had "a certain time", for enough time, in which we were forced to absolutely avoid them and we had to substitute them with italian equivalents, i.e., we had to use "Albione" for "England". Let's say that it is as if we were translating all the english names as "Alfredo" Hitchcock, "Enrico" Ford, "Giorgio" Washington (we would have had some problems with Ezra Pound, indeed). "Riccardo" Burton and "Elisabetta" Taylor are widely popular actors here, but we use their proper names. I dare suppose you will find funny these forms, out of your common habit, strange in a word.
The problem comes when we are talking about "our" names, given that it's natural to us to istinctively think at them the way we have them in our memory and in our culture.
Therefore, this trouble is not wanted, nor it's meant to be unrespectful, but perhaps only one of the points in which different mentalities cross themselves.
Sometimes I have indeed an overwhelming difficulty when my vocabulary doesn't report some names or when google can't help. In such cases I add the names I know, hoping that someone can recognise them and translate them. This is not made obviously to increase others' work, but perhaps to humbly add something more to this project.
Thank you for your help, sincerely. :-) - Gianfranco
No problems. I didn't mean what I said in a disrespectful tone. Basically, I wanted to explain why I had made the changes to the titles. :-) Danny

I've already commented on some of these details at User talk:Danny. In this electronic age that must become more cosmopolitain, the need to be sensitive to forms of other languages is more important than ever. It is also important to show some sympathy those who in the practice of good faith do obscene things to your language. Although Rudolph Valentino has become the standard english usage for that individual, anglophones are very inconsistent in their usage. Pavarotti is not yet called Luke, and referring to the great Italian composer Joe Green is usually only done as a joke. Eclecticology

Explain what you mean by "personal points of view" please - it appears you deleted material relating mediation, harms reduction, ethical balance, and peace process, that attempted to lay out how they related, citing sources for the only non-obvious connection (ethics in general). Why did you do that?

24, if you can spend just a little amount of minutes to look at the history of the Mediation page, you will see that the personal point of view I was referring to regards the user who deleted all the previous content about forms of mediation other than legal dispute resolution, which implied that (in his/her point of view) no other form of mediation was possible.
As for what I would have deleted, I just left what regards mediation (that is something more concrete than a simple way of saying) and adjusted when possible what refers to other activities. But I'll better answer you on the talk:Mediation page. - G

Gianfranco --

If you could perhaps provide some sources for the Copernicus debate, I would appreciate it. This particular article has been a longstanding problem, as have many other articles that deal with the 'Polish or German?' question. Part of the problem is that there are contributors who have very little understanding of how historians interpret sources, and have no training to weigh the comparative values of these sources. When added to a very large personal bias, this can be catastrophic. By the way, what do you do in Roma? (since you live there, I guess that you aren't the famous Gianfranco living in London!) JHK

J, I had seen in the article's history (and often in recent "RecentChanges") that the point had been... well discussed. My real intention was obviously only to stop the saga, hopefully being ideally far from the whole and looking at it from even farther, if possible. So, when I read that we were going into a troll-alimented flame war (that you can see in the page, has already produced another sweety fruit), I hoped that we could go back to "the essencial Copernicus" and made a call for... measure (?).
My note was merely a "don't feed the trolls", nothing else. :-)
You know, to be honest I would be instinctively tempted to clean that talk page (even if would obviously result in a censorship), because the one who comes to read it as one of the first articles he reads in Wikipedia, and goes to the talk page, could get a wrong idea of what all the project is about (and, if I may _thankfully_ tell you, the value of your own work here), because the history page is not immediately read by newcomers. Trying to figure how the article and the talk page could be read by a "first-timer", I guess he would resume: " Ah, so Copernicus was a scientist, Germany, Poland and Wikipedians debate about his nationality ". It's not like for other stubs, an encyclopedia cannot be (this I personally believe) insufficient or... on detour about a fundamental matter like Copernicus, solar system and the immense meaning of his work; we could write rivers of words about what Cop. represented for the history of human knowledge. We have instead a long nervous talk page and a short article.
I hope I can say this without becoming a steril criticist myself (a role that I don't like, indeed), because I would not be able to expand the article, if not after an eventual specific study that, frankly, doesn't seduce me so much, also given that many other Wikipedians could immediately do it with serious results. I'm slow in writing in english, so maybe I could more usefully direct my efforts to something I know better. But I can read more easily :-)
About the sources, I read an abstract by Prof. Francesco Zagar (famous italian astronomer), citing Stephen Mizwa (Nicholas Copernicus, 1943), Hermann Kesten (Copernicus and His World, 1945), Angus Armitage (The life and work of Copernicus the astronomer, 1947 - Copernicus: The Founder of Modern Astronomy, 1957). So I only know them de relato.
I believe I'm not the famous Gianfranco of London (also, I unfortunately have a little notoriety here, but I don't think to be famous abroad :), I'm perhaps more often seen in France.
I'm a Roman by birth, a circumstance that here we are somehow proud of for never cleared reasons indeed, so I ordinarily do enjoy the particular soul, the special spirit, the unrespectful unique humour of this town, and I believe that I was lucky to grow and live here. Yet, I don't properly endorse the typical roman mentality, even if I watch at it respectfully (one of these days I should post the tale of the street-sweeper and the Pope, it might be interesting).
Yes, being a Roman also means that you daily may have to deal with many matters that truly sometimes are better known by foreigners ( :-), like politics, religion, history, architecture, art, music and, of course, latin language (but we don't speak it in the streets). But it's not so heavy, one soon gets used to it.
My principal educational knowledge is in jurisprudence, civil law in particular, that helped me to work in consultancy for business (now, with more salt than pepper in my hair, I'm not retiring, but I relevantly decreased it) and in running my own minor business, shared into several different fields (Web too).
Luckily, my professional activities could mostly be oriented toward research on one side, while on the other side I have worked a lot in historical or artistic related business, therefore I often enjoyed the advantage of the many opportunities my country could give me, and the thrill of letting passions enrich the profession.
As for passions, I'm now studying about ancient and medieval Sardinia, a field that I recently found of great interest due to the uncommon evolution of local society, laws, language, habits, after so little contacts with the mainland. --G
By the way, did I ever say Benvenuto? Is that what I should have said? Although I think Italian is one of the most lovely languages, I've never had a chance to learn any properly ;-) I do agree with you wholeheartedly, and appreciate your help in clarifying the debate properly. I look forward to seeing what you have come up with. Oh -- and it's also nice to know that you're so well-rounded. My background is in history, and I teach for a living, but I've also worked in the telecom industry, real estate, and software (online transaction management). That's not counting the years spent working in restaurants, pubs, etc. Ciao (or as we say in this part of the world, Hasta) for now -- JHK
Yes, Benvenuto is perfect, might I tell you Ben trovata (well found) :-) (but Hasta, isn't it spanish?) --G
It is, indeed -- but I live on the US west coast, so it's norml idiom here :-) Oddly enough, when I lived in Germany, "Ciao" was used as frequently as "Tschüss" or "Servus"! JHK
Is there some reason are you redirecting years BC to years AD? (55 BC, 54 BC) --Brion VIBBER, Monday, May 20, 2002
ooooops!!
ehmmm... a silly mistake... pardon!!! --G (I hope at least I fixed it correctly)

Hallo,

it seems like you have a bit knowledge and material on Copernicus. Do you have the book by Hermann Kesten available ? I have borrowed it in German language, translated and added a phrase on the wiki site. I have been trying for some time to correct the main mistake on the wiki site, which falsely itentifies him as Polish. It is nearly impossible, because people just don't seem to grasp this or worse, they do'nt want to. After much reading I finally found a direct reference by Copernicus himself.

What is your interest in Copernicus ?

user:H.J.

No user:H.J., I don't have a particular knowledge on his figure, nor I have a special interest in it, I just made a quick search on indirect sources in order to expand a part of the article that I consider is what we essentially need to have about Copernicus. And this is part of a general knowledge, which is not limited by personal fields or interests. We all own his cultural contribution as a part of our respective development.
Copernicus, as I already tried to express, belongs to the whole mankind, so in my opinion it is completely irrelevant whether he was a German or a Polish. In both cases, his eventual cultural belonging to either of these nations (that in case would eventually be a really little distinction) makes no difference in his theory, in his importance, in our personal life. We will not be better or worse people in case Copernicus is precisely discovered having been something rather than something else.
And even on an eventual chauvinist point of view, I'm personally not eaten up by envy because on the Moon there's a "Stars&Stripes" flag rather than my "Tricolore": I am glad that a man was there. I am proud a man was there, a man just like me (yes, Armstrong was more athletic). I don't even imagine the possibility of thinking that Americans consider that they now own the Moon, or that they are not men just like we are, or that we are putting hands on a property of their own if we commonly say that Man reached the Moon and not Americans. In 1969 Man made just a "little step" (more). In 16th century Man had better identified his target and how it works. And even in case we eventually ought to call it "Welt" rather than "Mundus", it still is my World, your World, John's World as well as Piotr's World, that we now know is revolving around its axis.
Poland and Germany are great countries like any other country in the World. It would mean nothing to me if they eventually "own" Copernicus: the revolutionary thought of this guy is well above the sum of both those cultural systems, and if they fight for a supremacy of respective cultural systems, our Cop still keeps miles and miles above them. Orbital to them and to all of us. Cop demolished a cultural system greater and more complex than theirs. Such a contraposision of cultures "now" would even be, merely and cruelly, ridiculous in a time like ours in which we have an unprecedented opportunity of studying any culture, any religion, any philosophy, any tradition, any language we wish. We are estinguishing Babel's taboo in this era. Are we going to keep on following this local dispute?
Or should I add (I won't) that without his studies in Italy he wouldn't have been the great innovator we now know?
So, when I say that I consider irrelevant Copernicus' nationality, it is because in front of something of such importance for Man (all being equal the rest, as it seems it would have been) it is merely swerving to investigate with such depth which was his merit in being one thing or the other. He was born (with no evident intention) in a factually not well distinguished cultural reality in the middle of both German and Polish cultures. Politicians make borders, Copernicus taught us that scientists don't.
Let's keep on important subjects. Einstein had a violin. I prudently bought a guitar, me too.
I hope we are not going to talk about our repertoires. :-) --G

To Gianfranco, You wrote many beautiful words. But let's keep it real. I stated Copernicus' own statement of his nationality. You took away what Copernicus called his fatherland and do not mention it in all your many beautiful words even once.

It seems that you also put in the word, astrologer.

I didn't - I added he was a jurist

He did not have to be an astrologer, as so many other astronomers had to in order to eat. He had his income from his family estate , willed by his uncle also his guardian having been a Prince Bishop. He was looking only for truth, he disliked astrology. He would be very unhappy, that anyone is calling him incorrect names.

The text that you added is great and sectioning off the debates on nationality makes sence. user:H.J.

I'm glad you liked my additions. :-)
I believe that before re-adding anything about nationality, a solid consensus should be achieved in the Copernicus' nationality talk page first. At the moment I feel it could be better to built the main article little by little: as said, it is an important topic for an encyclopedia, it wouldn't be wise to introduce controversial or innovative points if not after at least a consensus among Wikipedians. And the main article is very likely to enter the MostPopular chart soon, or to keep there around (see number of hits), it certainly would be seen by those who really want to seriously evaluate our work here.
This has nothing to do, obviously, with the value of the sources that are added. Simply, I'm not a "Copernicanist", nor I have a specific knowledge, so I cannot scientifically evaluate anything on that field. I perhaps personally could try to say something about his value as a jurist (but I don't remember I ever met anything by him or citing him, I wonder if there is any document about this activity - I strongly doubt he made anything valuable in this field, but...), however it would somehow be an irrelevant theme, as well.
I hope instead someone can help to expand the main article, in order to give it a proper depth, in some points like for instance:
  • difference with the geocentric theory, Cop's objections
  • previous heliocentric theories, more details and sources
  • errors in Cop's theory (and reasons for mistakes)
  • influence on philosophers: what was the effect on Galileo, Bruno and others, modern philosophers
  • final recognition by catholic scientists (and removal from list of prohibited books) and general reception of the theory (times, cultures)
  • practical effects on common life (is there anything merely practical that changed - i.e. for sailors, or for don't know who - in consequence of his discovery?)
I do trust you can help, there's still much to do on it and, I believe, the sooner the better.
Thank you in advance :-) --G

Hallo Gianfranco, I got your message, thank you.

I am going to be gone for a while, but am trying to add more info. Some of it does not stay very long. It is always good to check the behind the scene history to find out what was actually added. I do not know anything about the system or theory of his, so I will not touch any of that. I do know a lot about the land and the people and will input on that when get back. Milai ginnis kails user:H.J.

user:H.J., if it was you who added about the Prussian Tables, I do guess instead you know more about potentially interesting topics. Are you going to add them little by little? :-)
This could be really important if enlarged, as a practical consequence of the theory, truly what we mainly (and, I personally think, urgently) miss.
An explanation on the practical facts of his administration (and my consequent synthesis): if we can collect enough material about this activity, it would certainly be interesting to have it aside, let's say on a Copernicus' administrative career, or something like that. Not only for Cop (this would not be what anyone would look for in Cop's main page), but also to know how things were going at that time there. Also, we know so little about ancient cadasters, yet sometimes they are very precious documents, as I believe your sources are. This would eventually be VERY interesting, so I hope we can sort out something of really uncommon with your help, either with reference to a minor activity of Cop, or directly regarding the matter of cadasters and civil administration in ancient Ages. So, please, keep on investigating and let us know.
I also have a question on the point of cadasters: being bordering areas, do you have any evidence of special, particular or otherwise notable special systems or practices? I.e.: in the italian areas that once were Austrian ruled, we still now have a special system, a sort of compromise between several systems, causing that not all the nation goes the same way. Is there anything similar there - or was there?
But I also have a general interest on what you might add on land and people, where are you planning to put it - or how will you entitle new pages?
Me too, I'll be far from work and machines next week, possibly all week long.
Ciao, by now :-) --G

Hi again,

I did input about the Prutenian Tables etc. I "discovered" Erasmus Reinhold on internet at a site from his home region.

I will be gone shortly for weeks. So I better catch you on the cadaster. look up altavista.com or google.com: type in cadaster, cataster and Kataster, the German way of spelling. You will find , that every city or town in Germany has a 'Kataster Amt or Kataster und Vermessungsamt (Kataster and Land Measuring government agency). One site in Austria says Kataster is the Land -property, while cadaster is the Tax on the land ,the "property tax books". I live in California for many years , I do not have access to much info. Occasionally I find old books here. I know most of the info from relatives and from reading regional books of Prussia and I do find much on internet now. I have been there and I am going again.

Kataster, cadaster ,land ownership, property rights record keeping books (these are the names that come to mind in USA) were not only kept in border areas. Seems to me that anywhere German (Holy Roman Empire of German Nation) rulers once governed, that there you find this system. It was private property of nobility, which was bought and sold, inherited and traded, not contries, that Europe had for many centuries. The Prince-Bishops of Ermland owned part of the land, just as many other princes of the empire owned lands in scattered territories.

I need to get going.

Will get back to this in a while

user:H.J.

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Hello Gianfranco. You're a bit off base about mens rea, The thing to remember is that reus, rea, reum is really an adjective, and not a noun. When the word stands alone, your interpretation is indeed correct. In the expression mens rea "mens" is a feminine noun. Thus the expression translates as "guilty mind". It is an important principle in countries that use the common law system. Eclecticology, Monday, May 27, 2002

Sorry for my mistake, Eclecticology, and thank you for your note.:-)
Effectively we don't use that expression, so I thought the topic was referring to the nearest expression we do use, that is "mens rei" (or reae - the accused's mind). We don't have a concept regarding "the mind" in itself, but we directly talk of the "voluntas necandi" (will of committing a crime - for the precise criminal intention of the precise conduct we are examining) or of the "animus necandi" (for a more general disposition of the person that, eventually, would not abstain from committing a crime - especially used for habitual criminals or for "by nature" criminals, and in doctrine). In this sense we too of course have attention to the intellectual determination of the author of a crime, and it is fundamental here too, or (properly) it is absolutely necessary to identify a precise criminal intention in order to consent the punishment of the evaluated conduct.
So "our" mens rei (as a noun) is investigated to verify this intention, and usually this expression is used when in front of a "minus habens" or, generally, an accused with mental diseases.
Your expression was indeed new to me, but is certainly expressive. :-)
Besides, we use reus for he accused, rather than for the one who is effectively found guilty, even if in common language the distinction is quite disappearing. I don't remember now which was the proper meaning in Latin. A reus will remain innocent, in our system, until definitive condemnation, after the last admitted degree of Appeal. I hope this is in common, instead :-) --G

I believe that very little work has been done on Wikipedia about law. It's certainly a topic where there's a lot of opinion, and very little understanding. The philosophical underpinings that distinguish common law countries from Napoleonic Code countries seem very alien to a citizen in the other system. I expect some very interesting debates as Wikipedians try to discuss law. --Eclecticology

Yes, law is another field in which we ought to share more knowledge. Like many in my area, I unfortunately know very little indeed about common law. I'd like to know more (and certainly I wish I can add something regarding Latin systems - or mine, at least - if interesting). To better describe and compare, I imagine there could perhaps be a space for the differences between the systems, maybe in the form of service pages in which some topics are listed and contributors can say "in common law we do this way" and "in latin systems we do that other way". Listing the respective principles separately could perhaps lead to "internal" debates on each side --G

On the bee-eater page, "billy-goat" makes no sense. I suppose it's a mistranslation (traduttore, traditore) of some word in Italian. What is the Italian word? -PierreAbbat

"Becco", meaning the front extension of the mouth of a bird. According to my vocabulary it should have been what I had put... but reflecting on it, I have now seen that the vocabulary made a (con)fusion of two meanings of the same word: becco means the bird's mouth as well as the male of the goat, and it evidently reported only the latter, as comprehensive of both. Thank you for your note, I have been too quick in picking up this result. Now, I still miss the english word for the bird's mouth :-) --G
The word is "beak". "Bill" is also used for that, and I thought you got the bill confused with the billy-goat. "Beak" is "bec" in French; the other "becco" is I think "bouc", but I'm not so sure it's the same word. -phma

Grazia for telling us more about Jacques Cousteau. Would you please explain a bit more about how he became internationally famous? His relationship with National Geographic magazine? Any environmental preservation work or other advocacy? --Ed Poor

Prego Ed, it was a pleasure for me to have an edit conflict with your text on this topic, I personally believe Cousteau deserves a deep consideration, even if I'm not so fond in his works. :-)
I know nothing indeed about relationships with National Geographic, but I added something about his "no-nuke" attitude.
Please, don't forget checking my "would-be-english" (grazie a te) :-))) --G

Hello. Thank you for moving to the Naples article to the new name format. However, the "Naples" in Italy is the most famous one by far so I redirected Naples to that entry and placed a disambiguation block at the top of that article. --mav

Thank you, mav, for following what I do here, as I hope you always do :-)
I believe that somewhere in these redirected or renamed pages, a link could be included pointing to pages that link to the short/simpler name, like this one for Rome (like now in Rome (disambiguation)).
Do you think it could be appropriated to do the same for similar redirects, like for Naples - obviously, in case effectively many pages link to the short name (see this)? --G


Thanks for the flag images you've been uploading, but may I suggest that you put them in PNG format rather than JPG? They would be higher quality and smaller files that way. --LDC

I'll convert them soon (I have to install graphical software on the machine I'm using now which is quite... essential). I'll give you a note on your page when done, so to delete and replace current ones. --G

No, no, that won't work at all. Never convert from JPG to PNG, the results will be (just as Stemma-savoia.png is) a larger file and worse quality than the JPG. What we want ideally is PNG originals; if you can't find that, then go ahead an use the JPG if it's all you've got--converting will just make it worse. Sorry I didn't make that clear the first time. --LDC

No problem, it's a misunderstanding of mine (I had some doubts indeed, but... -); I'm currently far from home so I have no originals to scan. I'll look for something lighter and brighter.
Thank you for your help in restoring jpgs. Now, whom should I ask to delete the unnecessary pngs? --G

Hi, just a small question when I read my personal collection of family trees of House of Savoy: What's the English word for Arcimboldo, (Archibald, I guess). Thanx. Ktsquare

My vocabulary doesn't tell me, but since Arcimboldo is an elder form of Arcibaldo (which is Archibald in English), I believe you can use this, unless in English too there is a (probably) early medieval form. Arcimboldo was little used, it is mainly known because of the painter's surname. Please, let me know in case you find it :-)--G

Hi Gianfranco. Nice work on Parkinson's disease. I've given the article a once over to try and make the English flow better; would you mind taking a look and making sure I haven't misunderstood what you were saying anywhere? --Bth 02:10 Aug 14, 2002 (PDT)

Thank you for your help, Bth, I regret that you had a lot to do with it, but I'm sincerely glad you did it :-)
Just a point about the movie: apart from its quality (it's one of the best films I saw in the last decade), really I had mentioned it because the situation of research it described (in the 1960s, if I well remember) hasn't really changed so much after that, in the sense that no relevant scientific progresses have been achieved after that moment (also, the sad message of the film was that you can have a good peak after some therapy, but you'll go down again). Now, I wanted to mention it as a reference to the state of research, but I didn't want to give emphasis to a sad message, so I badly expressed it.
But I agree that it is perhaps better to leave it apart given that, as a term of comparison, a film (even a well-done one, like that was) is obviously little scientific. --G
No problem. Glad to help. I've not seen the film myself, so perhaps I was being a little too harsh on it ... Does Williams play Oliver Sacks, or have I invented that completely? I've added a bit at the bottom to try and restore some of the sense you were trying to get across. --Bth
Formally, Robin Williams plays Malcom Sayer, a young doctor experimenting Levodopa on patients with catatonic letargic symptoms. Oliver Sacks' book "Awakenings", based on personal experiences and work, inspired the film, but he said that Sayer was only "a kind of relative" to him, no more. But it is Sacks' story, really. I have found a webpage in which Sacks comments the film (scroll page down a bit), but unfortunately it is in Italian and I wasn't able to find an original version.
I'll try to draft out something about Sacks too and about the specific disease the movie is about, I believe he deserves an article. --G

Gianfranco there is a nice little move feature available to all users now (I think). There should be a link called "Move this page" on your sidebar or at the bottom of the page. This method is the best becuase it move's the page history as well. --mav

Opps! I just noticed you were fixing redirects and not moving articles. --mav
Yes, just working on Wikipedia:Defective redirects - :-) --G

Genoa section of the Anti-Globalization movement article: Gianfranco, I understand the need for NPOV, but three people, Mark Covell (also known as Sky), and two other of the Diaz school arrestees were left in comas and critical condition after the raid. This may not have been reported in Italian corporate media, but it certainly was in independent media, and in the Guardian, UK. His name is François. Show a little respect.

In English it's "Francis," and it's Wikipedia's policy to use the English version, and the "ç" creates problems with a search and doesn't find all of them, because it can be coded more than one way, and the search finds only the ones coded the same as the search entry. -- isis


Is it the policy of Wikipedia to use English names or the English spelling. In the French Wikipedia or any publication in France, the President of the United States is George Bush. Not Georges.

209 -- please do read Naming conventions and Wikipedia:History and their discussions. For reasons that make no sense to me (but which I think have to do with British preferences between 1800 and 1950-ish), English speakers are not at all consistent with how they call foreign persons by name. I agree with you that his name is Francois (I don't know how to do most diacritical marks -- forgive me) -- and even agree it sounds better to me that way. I can even say that English-language scholarship is moving in that direction -- but for the time being, most literature calls them Francis and John. Louis is easy, because we all made the transition from the ugly-looking Lewis a long time ago. Philip is Philip if it's Spain (not Felipe), but often Philippe for France. Go figure.

I also have never heard Marie de Medici called Maria -- but that's another story! Anyway, it can always be changed to reflect the norm. JHK




Ciau Gianfranco Did you know that we have started a sicilian wikipedia? If you have any friends that can write in Sicilian, please let them know. Indeed, if you yourself can write in Sicilian, your articles will always be welcome. Salutamu --pippudoz 05:57, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Ciao Gianfranco, mi chiamo Valentina e sono una studentessa dell'Università Cattolica di Milano. Sto studiando per la mia tesi di laurea, nella quale studierò proprio il progetto dell'enciclopedia open source e in particolare sto cercando di capire bene il funzionamento base di Wikipedia. Essendo la mia tesi in ambito sociologico, in particolare trattasi di sociologia della comunicazione, sarei interessata soprattutto a capire il processo di 'annullamento' del diritto d'autore/editore, al fine di creare questa sorta di 'diritto collettivo'. Ho letto che tu sei uno dei veterani, nonchè il fondatore del progetto italiano di Wikipedia. Mi piacerebbe chiederti un po' di solidarietà e vorrei una mano per entrare in questo mondo e cercare di capirne a fondo il funzionamento, anche con la lettura delle tue esperienze a riguardo e magari di altri wikipediani. Sono particolarmente incuriosità dal fatto che un così grande numero di persone si siano messe insieme per creare qs archivio di tutto lo scibile umano, perennemente aggiornabile. Ti ringrazio moltissimo già da ora per la collaborazione, attendo impaziente un segno di vita da parte tua :-)))) --[Vala]

ps. sai dirmi qualcosa anche sulla versione internazionale in inglese e sui fondatori. Come hai scoperto tu il tutto, ecc. Thanx


Sono it:Tomi: un nuovo amico (Christian) ha mostrato un interesse a capire meglio cosa voglia dire diritto d'autore. Gli ho dato una risposta. puoi verificare (almeno l'ortografia :-), per favore? http://it.wikipedia.com/wiki.cgi?Silvio_Berlusconi/Talk

Scusa, ho sbagliato un link, come si cancella la voce (nello specifico patriarca di Venezia cehe andava diviso in patriarca e Venezia). Al momento la pagina l'ho svuotata, ma per eliminarla non basta... puoi dirmi come si fa? Lucas

1500 articoli ?! suvvia non bariamo, più della metà sono a quattro cifre oppure seguiti dal nome di un mese. Magari fossero già stati riempiti anche questi !
ciao it:Tomi

Intanto non sottovalutiamo il duro lavoro dei portatori d'acqua ;-)))
Secondo: caso mai mi potevi dire "l'era dell'ottimismo", con tanto di commessi e clienti che saltellano tutti contenti gridando che questo è il migliore dei mondi possibili... :-)))
Seriamente, siccome in pochissimi stiamo facendo un gran lavoro (io un po' meno, a dire il vero), mi piaceva comunque dare un segnale di crescita, il cui dato numerico è difficile da individuare sceverato dalle pagine sui giorni e sugli anni. Occorrerebbe una query che non so immaginare al momento. E' importane però segnalare che la "massa critica" si muove, cresce, si perfeziona e si sviluppa, e sapendo che quando toccheremo i 5.000 avremo già incluso e completato gli anni (2000), i giorni (366) e i decenni (200), da quel momento saranno tutti articoli "puri".
La Wiki inglese cominciò in questo modo. Può sembrarci strano, ma quando qui si prefissavano di raggiungere quota 100.000, sembrava un obiettivo impossibile. Anche il richiamo numerico (fatto al nostro stesso modo) ebbe probabilmente la sua importanza.
Con il PHP (che non so proprio perché stia ritardando - quando ho messo l'avviso, mi era stato dato giorno ed ora...) potremo distinguere velocemente la qualità degli articoli già escludendo dal computo i redirect e le pagine Talk, e avremo un conto già più netto. Vedi qui
Comunque, cerchiamo di raggiungere i 5.000, che (comunque siano) sarebbero già una massa di articoli di buona rilevanza :-))) G

Ciao Gianfranco, son sempre io, tomi http://it.wikipedia.com/wiki.cgi?Tomi .

Ti invito a leggere http://it.wikipedia.com/wiki.cgi?Tomi/Discussione .

Ci risentiamo, tomi

Ciao Gianfranco, Sono Tomi http://it.wikipedia.com/wiki.cgi?Tomi , a parte ringraziarti per il tuo lavoro su it.wikipedia.com , volevo chiederti se c'è un modo di aver un proprio mirror locale, per evitarmi di stare troppo a lungo on-line (off-line non va molto bene, perché ci sono sempre piccoli stupidi errori che si fanno) Serve a me a casa (Linux/Apache/MySQL/Perl-PHP-Pyton)

Seconda domanda: c'è modo di mettere le immagini da qualche parte? Avrei altre domande, ma te le risparmio (per il momento) ciao, tomi

Hi Gianfranco --

I've left a note for you on Talk:Salic law. If you have a chance, could you please check it out? Mille Gracie! JHK

Hi Gianfranco - you don't seem to be around very much these days, but I hope you can help me with something over at conductor. I'm wondering if the Italian term direttori (which you introduced to a section of the orchestra article which I've since moved to conductor) is exactly equivalent to "conductors" or if it means something more specific (for instance, is it only applied to conductors of opera, ballet, other stage works; or only to well established conductors; or something else). Thanks. --Camembert

Hi Camembert, I believe that Direttori (singular: Direttore) mostly coincides with the English Conductors. It is indeed a degree in artistic careers that is in use in many disciplines and it should correspond to the function of the one who has the duty of organising and coordinating an artistic show. But, like in the most evident example of Opera, the Direttore is not always the general artistic organiser of whole show - Visconti and Zeffirelli, just to mention a couple of cases, produced "their" famous interpretations of Opera works with no directly musical performance. So Direttore applies to the organisation and coordination in the respective field of competence.
In formal language, we have the "Direttore d'Orchestra", the "Direttore del Corpo di Ballo" and so on; recently, new forms were also added like the ugly "Maestro direttore" or "Maestro programmatore", but these are reserved to special careers (like for radio-TV companies' orchestras).
The title is quite bureaucratic, in the sense that it is not reserved to the really most important "bacchette" only. We have plenty of unknown Conductors that merely have completed a course of studies in the Conservatories (this happens also for the word "Maestro"), so they have achieved a sort of official administrative licence to conduct, but no serious impresario would ever let them govern an important orchestra (even if sometimes... ;-)
In general language, consider that a true Direttore is a good Conductor.
Long hair is not mandatory :-) --G

Hi Gianfranco. Sorry to hear about your office getting flooded; hope you manage to sort things out soon. --Bth

Thank you, Bth.
We're still working very hard these days, and little by little objects and furnitures are being dried and re-ordered. Unfortunately there are many things, especially photographs, pictures, books, to which I linked personal memories, that are lost forever and this is the worst damage. I'm currently within the chaos, yet (sadly) working.
But... I won't surrender, not at all! :-))) --G

Thanks for your help on Italian cuisine - (I put the other info there in the last few days) - i know it is terribly inadequate - with more time to research it i'd like to really flesh out the italian cuisine section properly. cheers Leon

Hi Gianfranco -- check out Pontifex Maximus to make sure I haven't done any violence to anything you've added<G>. -- Someone else 02:28 Oct 31, 2002 (UTC)

Hi, Someone Else, thank you for your help.
No violence, at all :-) Only, I think that some dubitative caution could have perhaps remained, given that there is no "scientific certitude" on what they were or represented and many versions are available on these topics.
But that's really the only point, and effectively not crucial. Thank you again :-))) [G]
Hi again<G>. Point taken, room for doubt is a good thing, but a little bit goes a long way. I just did a bit of editing on Rota. Again, I don't think I did TOO much damage... but you should check just the same. (I think it's nice that you ask for help with the language, your English is really pretty good.) Someone else 04:21 Nov 2, 2002 (UTC)
No damage, Someone Else, don't worry. Now it is what I really wanted to say :-)
I do need that someone (else? :-) graciously checks my contributions, as I'd like to add something (hopefully) useful and correct to the project, and in an Encyclopedia there is no room for mistakes.
I hope indeed that my English can be sufficient for communications, I'm always afraid I could need to add gesture to explain myself, and here it wouldn't be that easy... :-))) [G]

Gianfranco, Since you've already pointed out the intransigence of the Italian bureaucracy's devotion to official documents (Gian-Carlo Rota) I thought you might find this link of interest - a story about the difficulty of a young man accidentally designated as a female on his birth certificate.... [[1]] -- Someone else 22:54 Nov 4, 2002 (UTC)

ehmmmmm.... I'm afraid that in the article there is as much sweet irony as terrible truth.
Yes, a few "peaks" might have been sharpened for the audience's advantage - but the essential description is correct. This is really not what we are used to, it is actually something that cannot surprise us. We say "ahimé"...
A few years ago we had the case of a family, still in a poor context of Southern Italy, of which the many brothers and sisters were recorded (or later resulted) with many different surnames, instead of presenting the same common one. More or less, these surnames were only little different among each other, perhaps a carachter or two, a plural instead of a singular and soon, but "formally" they were different. This could happen because birth acts were written by hand by different officers who often took no care in what parents verbally declared. Maybe once the father had a louder voice, maybe for the birth of another son he had caught a cold, maybe also the officer was half-deaf, maybe the father was not completely aware of his personal surname... who knows? After the wrong recording by the first officer, there is still another officer who will perform the transcription of the first document. At this moment, when the first one was not a "calligraphist", it was easy to wrongly read and copy. And once you have a "document", there you are, from here to eternity. When the parents died, a sort of law had to be officially and formally issued to recognise to the brothers their (poor) rights in the succession.
I believe that the one who better rendered this formalism was Luigi Pirandello (I personally love this author, I regret that foreigners unfortunately cannot entirely appreciate his sophisticated use of the Italian language, his attention to quite unperceivable details of the communication, an accessory literarian greatness - but me too, I miss in turn these nuances for those authors foreign to me). Well, Pirandello wrote a paradoxal novel, "La Patente". It is the story of a man that the general superstition, in the village in which he lives in, indicates as a "jettatore" (one who brings bad luck, one to avoid because accompanied by "mala sorte", a sort of "outrageous fortune" that occurs to damage others than him). This man goes to the local police district and formally asks for a "Patente", a "document" that could publicly demonstrate that he was embodying such an unpleasant figure. Why? Being a jettatore is usually not a comfortable situation in Italy: everybody would avoid you, when you walk people secretly knock on steel (not wood, here), shake a coral red horn, or perform other scaramanticE' una parola inglese vera o si tratta di un termine in Itanlish? manoeuvres inside their pockets. A man would never let you marry his daughter, a wedding or an important purchase would be postponed if you simply pass by in the surroundings. So, why was he asking for such a document, why did he need a formal transcription, an official recording of such a disgraced condition? Why a "document" is so important here? Because with that document (let me point out that we don't have such certifications... if I well remember...) he would have been able to work: he could have legitimately stationed in front of a restaurant, or in front of a jewelry, and the patron would have immediately come out, paying him a fee to rapidly abandon his position and eventually move to stand in front of a concurrent shop... He just needed a document.
But we follow ancient traditions: quod non est in registro non est in mundo"...
Deep thanks for your note, I enjoyed reading that article (after the happy ending, of course...) :-))) Gianfranco

Hey, many thanks on your assistance with the War on Drugs. I just finished revising, cleaning up the English and making some other changes. Feel free to check it out. I had one question:

  • The proposed scheme would be terrificly dangerous because this would bring trafficants to engage into a chemical challenge (newer drugs are mostly made by synthesis) with the state, in order to create new clandestine products for new markets. Eventual new products could be even more lethal than current ones, so to gain consumers' interest. In alternative, trafficants could be forced to invest in other illegal activities, with all the power of their really huge capitals.

This was cited as an argument in favor of prohibition. If I read it correctly, it is saying that, if drugs were legalized, people who currently sell illegal drugs would invent new (presumably legal, since the War on Drugs has been cancelled in this hypothesis) drugs that excite the public's interest by killing large numbers of users using the (virtually nonexistent) profits they make from selling then-legal drugs at inflated prices, with the (also nonexistent) leftovers used to fund other illegal activities. I'm not at all saying it is impossible for someone to make such an argument, but I've never heard of it and it doesn't make much sense. If people really do argue this, please give me more details so I can reword it more clearly. Thanks a lot for your help, Tokerboy 06:13 Nov 5, 2002 (UTC)

Hi Tokerboy, thank you for your note and for your huge work on that page. I'm very sorry to answer you so late, but I was in bed with an... unpleasant girl :-)
I'm answering you on the Talk:War on Drugs page, so to allow other contributors to eventually enrich the discussion. See you there :-) [G]

Hello Gianfranco,

I saw that you have changed the format for the title of the links footnote in the article House of Savoy. I had actually already formatted this title on purpose, in a way that may appear too big, but which was in line with what has been defined in Wikipedia:Manual of Style. So, I changed it back. Not a big deal. Just wanted to let you know about that, and that it is probably important that we all use the same style across the 'pedia, so that there is a common feel across all pages. olivier 09:58 Nov 6, 2002 (UTC)

Hi, Olivier.
The change I made was intended to avoid the paragraphs to be ordered starting by zero: the hyerarchy of these tags ("==", "===", etc.) and their position, currently makes the numbers of each paragraph start from 0.1, 0.2, etc, which makes no sense to me. Two alternative solutions we could use: we could make the last tag too like the other ones (please look at "=" signs) and we would have no more numbers, or we could invert the current tags (using "===" where now is "==", and viceversa), so that the article might start - more normally - with 1.1, 1.2, etc. I do consider that it would be better to have no numbers at all for that article, but... qu'en pensez-vous? :-) [G]
The reason why you see numbers next to the headings is because you have selected "Auto-number headings" in your "Preferences". I am not using this option, so I did not initially see the same thing as you did. Now I can see what you mean, and I agree, it does not look great. Maybe the best way to solve it is to uncheck "Auto-number headings" in your "Preferences"... I agree that it will not solve the problem for people wiling to visualize the numbering though. So, please feel free to change the tags accordingly, but I would rather keep the formattng in line with the Manual of style. olivier 08:59 Nov 11, 2002 (UTC)
Well, in the Manual of style it is suggested to use "=" tags instead of " ''' " ones, but we can freely choose how many "=" signs to use in order to render any paragraph with its own "weight" inside the article and to eventually nest sub-sections. I'd say that the Manual's instruction was perhaps meant to allow auto-numbering (and I evidently agree this can be useful), and for this purpose it's necessary to turn the " ''' " tags into "=" (or "==", "===", "====", etc) ones. In fact my point was only that if the first sections are tagged with three "="s, and the last one with only two, the first section is recognised by the stylesheet as "of minor importance" of the last one, so it is numbered as if they were sub-sections while the last one was a section ("of higher level"). In this case, starting with a "sub-section" (as recognised by the software), numbers start with 0.1, 0.2, etc.
If we edit as proposed, we are still in line with instructions :-) [G]

Hey, sorry about the delay on moving the wiki. I've been distracted by the &$&*$@# performance problems, and have kept having to push back my upgrade plans. Should be soon... in the meantime, make sure the italian translation is up-to-date with the last few changes: see [2]. It won't hurt if you don't, you'll just see a few new English messages. :) --Brion 10:02 Feb 4, 2003 (UTC)

I'll check it in depth tonight, but for what I have now quickly seen, there shouldn't be a problem if variables' names haven't changed. Besides, I still trust that further changes might be added later, when we will experience it in the "ordinary" editing life ;-)
Thank you again :-))) [G]

Hello,
I have been told by fr:Utilisateur:Tomi to ask you about this page [[3]]. There are century and millenium to add for Italian. And are there capitals on months in Italian? Because there are not on this page, but there are in the Italian Wikipedia. By example, a link to it: gennaio goes to it:1 Gennaio. Thanks, Yann from France.

Hi Gianfranco --
Just wanted to let you know that I expanded the article on the American Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, to which you contributed a while ago. --Xinoph 04:42, Mar 12, 2004 (UTC)

Sciau Gianfranco.

I was wondering, since you have some Sardinian friends... do you think perhaps you could introduce them to Wikipedia and help get sc: up and running? (sc:

Also... I think it's best for right now if people use the Limba Sarda Unificada (sp?) standard for spelling and grammar.

Node

[edit] Article Licensing

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[edit] bee eater image.

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[edit] Corriere della Sera

Hi, I left a question for you on Talk:Corriere della Sera about one sentence you added to that article. Cheers, AxelBoldt 20:51, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Il Corso in Sardegna

Ho letto di recente l'affermazione errata che in nessuna parte della Sardegna si parla corso. Strano, perché una recente legge regionale sarda non considera come sardi, il gallurese e il sassarese. Molto più importante, i linguisti, specie quelli che si occupano di lingue romanze, considerano che sia il gallurese, sia il sassarese, sono varianti del corso o strettamente imparentati con il corso. Per quale motivo? Perché il plurale è in -i come nei dialetti toscani, perché l'articolo è identico a quello del corso, perché la sintassi e molto altre regole sono uguali da una parte e l'altra dello stretto di Bonifacio (dove si parla ligure, ma questa è un'altra storia). Certo, tra la lingua sarda e il gallurese/sassarese ci sono molti punti di contatto (vocabolario - ed il famoso ajò, ma questo esiste anche in Corsica). Dunque, prima di dire cose che sono false, bisogna leggere sulla linguistica (e non solo ethnologue). Ed essere più cauti. Ho scritto questo testo in italiano perché volevo esser certo di essere capito. Enzino 22:21, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

E' vero, bisogna essere più cauti.
Ad esempio nel supporre che qualcuno faccia uso di ethnologue e che non abbia letto invece - magari per passione, ma con estrema attenzione - sufficiente letteratura scientifica su carta, in questo caso testi dell'Università di Cagliari, certamente il Blasco Ferrer, ma davvero non solo, prima di formarsi un concetto.
Poi, anche in ambito scientifico ci sono certamente teorie originali. Che possono servire tanto alle leggi regionali quanto ai lavori sulla LSU. Ma di solito non me ne interesso.
E' vero, bisogna essere più cauti.

[edit] Expanding "Italy" Article

How would you feel about expanding "Italy"'s English Wikipedia article? In comparison to other countries, I think the size of the article is unrepresentative of Italy's historical significance and greatness. There's seems to be only 5 or so complete paragraphs on the subject, in contrast with France and Germany who's entries boast an abundance of information.

Good job on Sicily's article and thanks!

[edit] User categorisation

You were listed on the Wikipedia:Wikipedians/Italy page as living in or being associated with Italy. As part of the Wikipedia:User categorisation project, these lists are being replaced with user categories. If you would like to add yourself to the category that is replacing the page, please visit Category:Wikipedians in Italy for instructions. --Army1987 17:55, 31 August 2005 (UTC)



Mi scusi l'ignoranza, sono di Scandiano, ho scritto la parte dedicata ai personaggi noti di Scandiano. Ho fatto bene?

  • su Wikipedia, fra italiani, ci si dà del tu :-)
  • hai fatto benissimo! (solo, la prossima volta, non cancellare la mia pagina di discussione: non dice granché, e' vero, ma ci sono affezionato ;-)))
  • sei di un posto molto bello, che meriterebbe un articolo piu'... articolato, così che se ne possa parlare non solo per fatti indirettamente d'attualità. te la sentiresti di ampliarlo un altro po'? sperando nel tuo sì, mi permetto di sottoporti alcune ipotesi: intanto potresti aggiungere il nome un altro scandianese che ha gia' un articolo. Vallisneri e' nato altrove, ma forse puoi menzionare i suoi studi. Potresti citare la legge sugli Ebrei ("Privilegium pro hebreis Scandiani") di Giovanni Boiardo e molte altre vicende storiche oppure potresti descrivere la Rocca.
  • se prendi spunto da materiale di altri, ricorda i vincoli del copyright e del NPOV, della neutralità: scrivi di tuo pugno:)
spero di leggere presto altri tuoi contributi e ti auguro buon divertimento su Wikipedia :-) --g 23:23, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

Carissimo Gianfranco, volevo semplicemente dirti ... ciao. Tomi 07:29, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
Una segnalazione al it:WIkipedia:Bar mi ha fatto scoprire che sei di nuovo visibile.

domanda: eri tu mplsdslgw14poolB234.mpls.uswest.net che l'11 novembre 2001 modificò (o cominciò) it:Generi Musicali e it:Nupedia Translation Project? Tomi 11:36, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
Fonte:http://web.archive.org/web/20011114032031/http://it.wikipedia.com/wiki.cgi?RecentChanges

Credo di no, di solito uscivo con IP 151.22. ... (ppp. ... 22.151), 151.24. ... (ppp. ... 24.151), o 151.29. ... (ppp. ... 29.151) (.iol.it o .libero.it), qualche volta con IP francesi (che però non mi ricordo proprio). uswest.net è un indirizzo del Colorado, quindi - a naso, data l'epoca e la provenienza, e date le preferenze del soggetto - penso che potrebbe essere Tim Chambers.
Generi Musicali c'era già, ed anche l'altra, ma web.archive non ha in cache le versioni precedenti. La pagina Nupedia ci sarebbe almeno dall'8 giugno v, l'altra almeno dal 28 settembre v; credo che quando si mettevano le mani sul cgi si perdessero le cronologie, un po' come successe dopo col php, ed in quel periodo si "aggiustava" spesso anche per le evoluzioni dello script generale. Per la serie "anni struggenti", mi ha fatto effetto rivedere la Home del 23 Maggio, che è la più vecchia presente su web.archive, ma era già alla settima revisione :-) - --g 02:05, 2 December 2005 (UTC)


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[edit] Astrud Gilberto

Ciao. Ti ho lasciato una richiesta sulla tua talk di it.wiki. Amarvudol su it.wiki

[edit] Passato remoto

Ciao Gianfranco. C'è al bar di it.wiki una discussione sul tempo verbale da adottare nelle biografie. Il testo della regola che si esprimeva a favore del passato remoto (parole secondo me sacrosante) era tuo. So che non partecipi più spesso ma sarebbe molto bello se decidessi di esprimere il tuo parere in merito (altrimenti presto ci ritroveremo una it.wiki piena di Giulio Cesare nasca a Roma...). La discussione si trova qui: it:Wikipedia:Bar/Biografie al passato remoto#Cambiare le regole di stile?. -- it:User:Ggonnell 12/6

Ciao Ggonnell, non essendo un utente attivo di it.wiki penso di non dover intervenire su questo e non sarebbe decoroso che vi rientrassi solo per "difendere" un mio testo. Le mie idee non sono cambiate, ma potrebbero cambiare quelle di it.wiki, in questo caso è meglio che alla loro definizione contribuiscano quelli che la fanno crescere ogni giorno, non io. E ti ringrazio, ma non credo che il mio eventuale intervento possa avere effetti su come verrà trattato il povero Giulio, sono invece certo che la comunità di it.wiki deciderà comunque per il meglio. Tieni conto che è una comunità di grandi doti e di straordinarie risorse ed anche se un po'... italianamente animata, ha dentro di sé molti importanti esponenti della setta clandestina degli amanti della serietà :-) Grazie però per la tua graditissima nota, a presto :-) --g 01:14, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

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[edit]  :-)

Thanks ;-) --Civvi 19:14, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sono solo un semplice utente.

E lo dico con molto orgoglio. --Snowdog 22:51, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] :P

IO invece sono un mona-- Anonimo senza testa--151.13.68.73 03:55, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image:AxCaesar.gif

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[edit] Prutenic or Prussian Tables

As search revealed talk on your page about the Prutenic or Prussian Tables by Erasmus Reinhold, I'd like to inform you that I created an article. -- Matthead discuß!     O       01:46, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

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Veramente non sono io che sto facendo a QUALCUNO una cattiva pubblicità. Quindi la moderazione suggeriscila al tuo amico EH101.

A proposito: la voce Protezione NBC che tu tra gli altri hai aspramente criticato, e facendone subito occasione per attaccarmi personalmente: non comprendendo evidentemente che quando dicevo che l'unico uso noto di tali armi è stato nella guerra irak-iran, intendevo NEL SECONDO DOPOGUERRA, correlato agli 'ultimi decenni' del secondo dopoguerra. Era troppo difficile da capire? O non lo si voleva capire per motivazioni inconfessabili?

L'unico uso quello dell'Irak?? FALSO! Li usava persino l'Italia nelle guerre coloniali, le armi chimiche le hano usate gli USA in vietnam, irak e afghanistan. E poi, se le armi le hanno introdotte nel secondo dopoguerra, nella prima guerra mondiale avevano già le tute protettive??

Dì al compare JR di stare un pò calmino. Le allucinazioni sulle armi chimiche in afghanistan da parte USA sono interessanti. In Vietnam l'Agent Orange era un defoliante, non esattemente atossico, ma non era a che so io classificato come 'arma chimica' da nessuna convenzione. Forse èJR che ha bisogno di essere controllato ben più di me quanto a 'considerazioni personali' e POV, ma a voi, te in primis, non importa: avete già me e Ligabo, che vi frega di guardarvi dentro?--Stefanomencarelli 23:29, 3 September 2007 (UTC)


--Stefanomencarelli 23:29, 3 September 2007 (UTC)


Continui imperterrito a provocarmi o sbaglio? Per quello che riguarda le voci, le tue 'raccomandazioni' mi suscitano solo una sana pernacchia. Prima di passare per mio censore sull'argomento, tanto per accodarti ai delegittimatori usuali, dovresti impegnarti un bel pochinino, caro Gianfranco. E meno male che i tuoi post 'export' sono meno lunghi degli incomprensibili sproloqui che posti sui dibattiti di wiki.it.

PS: Salutami Materazzi, nonché il resto della 'nazionale' amici e sodali inclusi, che hanno ben contribuito al mio felicissimo 'ritorno'. Vi voglio a tutti un 'gran bene'.SMACK!.--Stefanomencarelli 12:36, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Tu citami le stupidaggini, così siamo pari.--Stefanomencarelli 14:58, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

(da en wiki) During the 1960s, the U.S. explored the use of anticholinergic deleriant incapacitating agents. One of these agents, assigned the weapon designation BZ, was allegedly used experimentally in the Vietnam War (per la cronaca non è l'agente Orange). Per quanto riguarda l'uso in Irak e Afghanistan, la convenzione alla quale si appella l'utente problematico che mi precede, la quale non considera armi chimiche l'agente orange (in senso stretto), nello stesso tempo considera armi chimiche i gas lacrimogeni e questo crea un legame USA-Iraq-Afghanistan-armi chimiche-ordine pubblico-ragione-torto-livore-fonti incomplete o superate. Tra l'altro, anche l'Argentina nelle Falklands venne accusata di utilizzo improprio, a questo punto in pieno secondo dopoguerra (a meno che tra poco non ci venga ridefinito anche questo concetto, intendendo forse la seconda guerra a Risiko di ieri sera che noi ignoranti che non sappiamo guardarci dentro abbiamo ignorato). In realtà nel secondo dopoguerra (quella del 1945 intendo, ma sono disponibile a definire continuamente i concetti se serve a far contento l'autore), le armi chimiche sono state usate, per esempio, anche dagli USA a Waco (il CS) e dai Russi durante il sequestro del teatro a Mosca dell'ottobre del 2002. Nota che effetto interessante fanno la apposizione fianco a fianco di questo fatto di cronaca arcinoto e la frase l'unico uso noto di tali armi è stato nella guerra irak-iran. Chissà quanti altri "intendevo dire" servono per leggere gli articoli di un enciclopedia. L'utente problematico che mi ha preceduto, non rinuncia a utilizzare gli insulti come metodo dialettico, il complotto "inconfessabile" come spiegazione dei comportamenti, mentre rinuncia a considerare wikipedia (magari in inglese) una fonte dove trovare notizie più affidabili e complete di quelle che riporta e difende anche laddove indifendibili, magari appellandosi al "ma io intendevo", "sotto un certo punto di vista", "chi è competente sa cosa voglio dire". Aspetto con rassegnazione l'immancabile profluvio di insulti e contro citazioni di fonti, unite alla accusa di incapacità di saper leggere o capire quanto scritto poco sopra. Attendo comunque di leggere altri interessanti interventi dell'utente in questione, che in passato è riuscito a dimostrare che si può vincere una gara anche non partecipando. Sono sicuro che troverà il modo di svicolare da questi punti qui sopra, con un diluvio di argomenti che vanno dalla FIAT alla bassezza di chi lo contrasta il tutto condito da estratti dei post di aprile o dicembre dell'anno scorso, raggiungendo le fatidiche trenta righe di concetti che non c'entrano nulla, ma che scoraggiano chi vuole capire e non ha pazienza. Chiudiamo i portelli stagni e prepariamoci al diluvio. --EH101 23:26, 5 September 2007 (UTC)