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[edit] Your revisions of "The Prisoner", specifically Rover history

Concerning the article on the TV series The Prisoner, I just read your rewrite of my expansion of the history of Rover and the doubts cast upon the standard account. I certainly should have mentioned that the footage said to be of the first version was included as a bonus on at least one DVD release, thanks for fixing that. Otherwise, no real complaints, other than the fact that this--and I freely admit that all of the original Rover visuals I've seen is the stills on the Six Of One website--shows a device too small to have an operator on the inside (not even a "midget"), as the script excerpt from "Arrival" in the White & Ali book indicates The Prisoner himself was to think. However, given my limited exposure to this material, I won't revise that phrase back. As it seems you are more familiar with the footage, I'll leave it up to you. Interesting to learn that the Lotus-traveling-through-London's-streets footage was shot before the big trip to Wales, BTW. Ted Watson 18:52, 5 April 2007 (UTC) Hi

Pleased someone's reading it at least! I wouldn't take the White and Ali book as absolute gospel though it's amazing the footage remained hidden for so long. The home movie shows a full-sized props man seated in the Rover machine. It may have been abandoned because the exhaust from the engine discharged inside the shell and would have gassed the driver, in additin to it working fine on a flat surface but not on the cobbled roads, steps and steep hills of Portmeirion (this is from a video on the production of the series produced by Steve Ricks in the 90s and including interviews with surviving cast and crew - ditto for the information on the opening sequence shooting). Ghughesarch 01:01, 6 April 2007 (UTC)


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I did indeed feel that the footage of the original Rover was home movie stuff rather than production outtakes or tests, but wasn't certain, so made my phrasing there as neutral as I could. Thanks for the clarification. On the other hand, I am not so certain that the place for exterior filming in "Chimes," "Schizoid," "Harmony" and "Girl" is the Borehamwood studio's back lot. First, it just doesn't look like a collection of false fronts. Indeed, there are a number of overhead shots (at least in "Girl") proving that it isn't. Secondly, Alain Carraze and Helene Oswald's book, THE PRISONER: A Televisionary Masterpiece expressly states that it is an outside location (Admittedly, this is a book that was written in French about an English [language and nationality, of course] TV programme [were the authors dealing with French-translated videos, documents, etc.? This is not clear at all], then translated into English itself; I suspect you've heard the same sort of stories that I have about putting material through multiple language translations). Thirdly, look at "Schizoid": We see The Prisoner and The Double outside the Recreation Hall, with the building clearly labelled as such. Later, during the helicopter-escape climax, the same sign can be seen in the background. That sign should have been taken down, and if they were working on the lot, it would have been easy to do; but if this was an outside location, the time available to them to get the scenes shot could easily have been quite limited, and consequently the sign left up until after filming, to be removed when all the other Village trappings were. Sorry, but I have to continue to lean toward the claim that this is not on the lot.

The statement about Guy Doleman is particularly informative, as it is obvious that the most of The Prisoner's first tour of The Village was done without the other actor, even though his #2 is blatantly supposed to be right there, but there was one shot, the two men walking from the overlook of the Stone Boat to the Old People's Home, that is clearly at Portmeirion and with Doleman. Thanks again.

Interestingly, White & Ali explicitly stated that it had been determined that there was never any place that could have launched weather balloons to be seen from Portmeirion, not just "no longer," but you already indicated that they shouldn't be taken as gospel (didn't mean to suggest that I hadn't caught that). Still, this--nearly twenty years on--is the first I've encountered any such comment about their book. Ted Watson 20:19, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Hi

http://avengerland.theavengers.tv/studios/mgmblot.htm shows other shows filmed on the exterior sets at MGM Borehamwood (the first pictures are their generic "continental street" set, as used in "Do Not Forsake Me Oh My Darling") Note that the building with the dormer windows in the background of the third picture (from "Girl") is the same as the one in the eighth picture (from a production I don't recognise), with the trees and wall removed.

The bottom set of pictures show the opposite side of the "square" from the Recreation Hall in "Schizoid Man", which also appears as the exhibition hall in "Chimes of Big Ben", and in "A, B and C" as the entrance to the Paris street where Six encounters "C" (which is the location for the middle set of photos on the Avengerland page, and appears in "The Girl Who Was Death" band "Forsake", filmed from different angles).

The "Square" area (which was an entirely separate set about 100 yards from the "continental street" one) was re-dressed as the western town in "Living in Harmony". The building on top of two arches in those bottom photos is visible in "A, B & C" as Madame Engadine's car drives through it, and is the sherrif's office in "Harmony".

Part of "A, B and C" (the fight with "A") was also filmed on the remains of the French chateau set from "The Dirty Dozen", which stood about 250 yards away from this location. Steve Ricks produced a replica "Map of Your Village" in the 1980s with, on the reverse, an aerial photo from 1966 showing all these sets standing on the MGM backlot - despite film or TV appearances they were all false fronts held up by scaffolding. I'm not sure what production they were originally constructed for. I suspect Carraze and Oswald may have had "exterior" translated to "outside", which mean slightly different things.

I recommend Max Hora's three booklets, The Prisoner of Portmeirion; Portmeirion Prisoner Production; and Village World (all now out of print but often on ebay) as good sources of Prisoner trivia of this type. Also http://www.theunmutual.co.uk/ which has excellent Prisoner location spotting pages of its own ( such as http://www.theunmutual.co.uk/locationsguide.htm and http://www.theunmutual.co.uk/mgmbore.htm , and it's worth checking the link from the latter to the page about the precise location of the "Harmony" lynching tree - http://www.theunmutual.co.uk/harmonytree.htm - to see just how seriously some people take this sort of thing), and good links. But then, I have a feeling all this should be on the Wikipedia Prisoner page, not just here.

Ghughesarch 00:07, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

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Just found your new note, and while I haven't checked those links yet, I would be shocked if they don't show what you've described. Thanks for the info. Always want to have as many of the facts about this fascinating series as straight as possible. Ted Watson 17:10, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Regarding edits to Bold Street, Liverpool

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[edit] Regarding your edits to Newport Tower (Rhode Island):

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[edit] Mills

Gareth, as you've seen, I'm giving the post mill article a rework. The date of 1612 for Gransden comes from an inspection of the deeds of the property by Phillip Unwin as quoted by Arthur C Smith. Do you have a reliable reference for Drinkstone's date that could be quoted. I believe Rolvenden mill is of a similar date (1570s), although the earliest date in that mill is 1773 on one of the crosstrees.

You might want to check out the River Medway article and all the pages for the tributaries that have separate pages too! BTW, would you be interested in a Mills Portal on Wikipedia? Mjroots (talk) 16:07, 24 January 2008 (UTC)