Talk:Ghost in the Shell/Archive 2

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Split off manga specific info

The manga specific info should be split off to Ghost in the Shell (manga) and use this as a fictional universe overview page, which can discuss the similarity and differences between the films, manga, and tv anime. 70.51.11.121 06:18, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

I agree with splitting. In my opinion, it's a bit confusing when all three (manga, anime and the "universe") are mixed up in one article. The films and the manga aren't even directly related (in sense that the plots would go together), which also supports splitting it up.(The split has already been made it seems, but I think we ought to try keep it this way instead of merging the manga page into the main article. A rewrite is needed tho, to clearly separate the two.) Pasi 00:55, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Considering the amount of content that's been written/posted on GIS, I also agree with the split btw the manga & fictional universe here and the film(s) off on its own with a disambiguation page. Makes perfect sense. Wonder if anyone disagrees? My 2c. 2KT 08 June 2006
I doubt anyone who knows the series would disagree. The manga, the movies, and the TV series all seem to exist as their own entities. I suppose the comics and movies might have continuity, but the show is definitely it's own alternate timeline, where Motoko didn't fuse with the Puppetmaster. Luna Santin 11:51, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
I would certainly agree with the above. In its current form the article is rather unwieldly and. It might even be dvisable to split off the section on ghosts, as that applies equaly to all three incarnations. Go for the diambiguation and split. Mr. Pants 15:33, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Music Section

I don't think the music section is appropriate for this article. I propose moving them to their respective animes. What do you guys think? Boneheadmx 21:06, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

I agree. Anville 21:08, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
Agree. The Rod 21:20, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

OK, I have moved the information on the music to their respective media. Boneheadmx 02:50, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Cool. Thanks. Anville 07:08, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Disambiguation?

I agree that separate articles are warranted, but we should not create a disambiguation page. Priority should be given to the movie that popularized the franchise, and separate articles should be maintained for the manga, sequel, and TV series.

GITS mess

from Talk:Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex:

Wait, what the hell is all this? I don't know who did what, but this is a freaking mess. Look at that nav template, holy crap man. And why are things being listed as 1st and 3rd Gig, when only "2nd Gig" was used as a name? It doesn't matter what one article was originally for or what, this whole mess needs to be restructured and re-evaluated. For starters, no articles with fan-names like 1st and 3rd Gig. Second, original SAC and 2nd Gig should be merged back to here, split sections off as needed, but not like this This... is just so sloppy.... Third, that nav template... is too big.....
Don't anyone go freaking out just yet. No one is going to be doing something that will look stupid, in any case. Get some ideas for article structure and so on. This is a damn good anime and it deserves better than this. -- Ned Scott 08:47, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
*cough* sorry for the harsh reaction, but it was quite a shock ;) -- Ned Scott 09:30, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Alright, running through the template and such, this is all the GTIS stuff on Wikipedia right now (excluding the images, of course):

Main

Manga

Anime

Anime movie

Novels

Video Games

Organizations

Characters

Locations

Misc.

Categories

Templates

I'm thinking mostly just the anime and intro articles need working on, but I haven't looked at everything yet. A lot of splitting and merging and all that has been happening, and it's just time we clean house, that's all. Right now, look around, get some ideas of how to structure everything better. We'll agree on things and plan things out, so no one has to worry about any rash action for now. -- Ned Scott 09:11, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

The characters (most small articles or stubs) are in my list of character articles that need to be merged. I may be bold with them.. --Kunzite 14:17, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
I've Prod'ed Ghost in the Shell (anime film series) and Ghost in the Shell (video game) (disambiguation), and put merge notices on Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex (1st GiG), Ghost in the Shell: S.A.C. 2nd GIG, and Ghost in the Shell: Tachikoma Days to be merged to Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex. Also, merged Cyberbrain Sclerosis to Cyberbrain. -- Ned Scott 11:29, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
Wouldn't combining all the SAC articles into one article lead to a 20-page long mess? They're already quite long as they are... Dark Shikari 21:46, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
Indeed, that would be a very dumb idea. Thankfully no one has suggested that. -- Ned Scott 03:13, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Note: There's another article to consider... Stand Alone Complex. 132.205.95.25 20:58, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Seburo Merge Proposal

Kunzite has suggested that the Seburo article be merged with the Ghost in the Shell article. I am against this merge as the fictional company is used in just about all of Shirow's works, not just GITS. --YoungFreud 06:35, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Ok. hmm. I hadn't realized that. Well, that removes merging to GITS as an option. How does this article assert notability? There are no citations. It could be merged to Shirow's article. --Kunzite 06:06, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Time to break out the Intron Depot, Appleseed, and other books out. Heck, we don't even have an article on Posieden Industrial for christ sakes!! Besides, this merger idea is a stupid idea because it's an essential part of several "universes" in Shirows works.--293.xx.xxx.xx 07:41, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

It is also become a part of other universes as well. Second Life for one, the gaming mod community for another. It COULD be merged to Shirow, but I think the Seburo name is actually more notable outside of Shirow's universe. --Mdwyer 18:53, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

delete locations category

NOTE: I've CfD'd Category:Ghost in the Shell locations - 132.205.45.148 19:27, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Vote at: Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion/Log/2006_July_20#Category:Ghost in the Shell locations

De-ghosting

Could somebody tell me where the de-ghosting stuff is mentioned? I've read all the comics and seen all the movies/tv-episodes, but I don't remember it ever coming up. It's not exactly unthinkable that I would have missed it, of course, there's a lot going on. I'm just curious. risk 13:56, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

External Memory

I find this section confusing. Is it suggesting that the 'external memory' mentioned in the anime refers to the physical objects the cyborgs keep to remind them of their humanity (eg. kusanagi's watch)? In the second movie Togusa and Batou both exchange philosophical quotes from their 'external memories', which would seem to imply that the phrase refers to a type of data storage implant in the brain, and not the redundant artefacts the cyborgs like to keep.

Impact and influence section

I think as the impact and influence section mostly deals with the 1995 Ghost in the Shell (film) (the Matrix influences et all), this portion should be instead moved to the 1995 film's own article, instead of this article. If there aren't any objections, I think it should be moved as soon as possible. ~ Ganryuu 04:21, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

I agree. Eventually, this article itself should be just a starting point for all the other GITS articles, anyways -- Ned Scott 04:34, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
I think this section compares lots of unsimilar things between ghost in the shell and the matrix, should be removed or shortened.

cyberbrain merge

I don't think the cyberbrain article should be merged into the main GITS article. While it is a central concept, It can easily grow beyond just GITS. Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 05:01, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

I think the topic of the Cyberbrain is a complicated enough subject thet it should be kept separate, it will very easily grow to become a much larger article. Ben W Bell talk 14:04, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

I too believe that the cyberbrain should remain standing on its own, and I've removed the merge template as there has been no dissenting comment here in the past 1.5 months. --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 00:06, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Link

Ghost_in_the_Shell:_Stand_Alone_Complex has been linked. Please review! :-)

Why was the Stand Alone Complex (concept) article expunged and redirect here?
20:37, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Batou/Bateau's name

According to Talk:Batou#Bateau and User:Shame On You's subsequent [edit], Batou's name is more correctly spelled Bateau in English. Some googling confirmed that the "Bateau" spelling is fairly common and present in some DVD sleeves. Based on this, I moved the article to Buttetsu Bateau and changed the spelling where I could find it. User:Ben W Bell and I discussed this on our talk pages here and here. He points out that Batou is more common and used on [Production IG's official site]. We need to pick one or the other, but be consistent. Kundor 20:11, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes, it does indeed appear that both versions of the spelling in English are indeed used. The original GitS film on English release does state Bateau in the end credits (but Batou in the subtitles), as does the US release of one of the soundtracks. Doing some searches does indeed reveal that the spelling is indeed used quite a bit on the internet, often in the case of film and DVD reviews that I can see, but also on some fan sites. The other spelling, Batou is also very common, is the spelling used in the Official Logs for the TV series, is the spelling used in the TV series and is the spelling used on Production IG's official site, as Kundor has pointed out above. Straightforward Google counts show Batou is found more frequently than Bateau, but we all know Google counts aren't the be all and end all of fact finding and can be skewed quite easily. So I recommended we have a discussion, try and pull in as many people as possible and come up with an agreement as to which one we should use (while also mentioning the other is a common alternative spelling as well). People's thoughts? Cases? Opinions? Ben W Bell talk 10:01, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
Well, I went in and changed the spelling to Batou on pages having anything to do with the TV show. Not the movies, books, or manga. My justification being the ending credits of both seasons DVDs spell it as Batou, not Bateau. Just trying to be consistent with the DVDs. I figure if anyone knew the correct spelling, the production company would...--Salvax T - C--21:18, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
The name Batou is now official and the Buttetsu_Bateau article was redirected to Batou.User:Shame On You was blocked for extreme and gross violations of our WP:CIVIL and WP:NPA policies.--Neuromancien 07:23, 10 December 2006 (UTC)