Talk:Ghost World (film)

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Contents 1 Line removed from lead paragraph 2 Cult film 3 Spoiler warning 4 WikiProject class rating

[edit] Line removed from lead paragraph

I took out this line: "It is a satire on the vacuousness of pop culture which intentionally takes the ironic format of a teen film." It's much more about the teenagers who disdain popular culture for personal reasons. There is actually very little about pop culture in the film. In my view, the film's more anout teen angst and alienation. Also, the "analysis" section needs major work. It's full of POV. -- D.M. ^(talk) 23:46, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Yup. Anyone looking for a satirical take on the vacuousness and self-importance of various aspects of popular culture would be much better served by a Christopher Guest mockumentary. And about the analysis section: strictly speaking it should be cut or completely rewritten, as it's bordering on original research. --MarkSweep (call me collect) 02:22, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

I've now made many edits to correct these deficiencies in the article. It's now (mostly) free of POV. -- D.M. ^(talk) 11:10, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

I removed "(comic book)" from the introduction, it's both redundant and slightly innaccurate. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.41.137.144 (talk) 06:45, 24 December 2006 (UTC).

[edit] Cult film

"sitting at number 7 on its first release into Video stores, rapidly above hit films such as Donnie Darko, even on Donnie Darko’s first DVD and VHS release"

I don't see how this can be compared to another cult film in Donnie Darko.

[edit] Spoiler warning

User:91.148.159.4 has reinserted the spoiler warning template into the plot section of the article after two editors (myself included) removed it. I contend the warning is redundant in a plot section, or at least in this one where nothing surprising is revealed. I don't believe anything in this article could "spoil" a viewer's enjoyment of the film. Could User:91.148.159.4 (or anyone else) explain what is being warned of? --dm ^(talk) 15:58, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Sorry I didn't respond to this before, but I didn't expect it; you should have left a note on my talk or something. Very nice of you to discuss instead of revert warring. Now, I think it's pretty obvious that for the overwhelming majority of films, reading their plot can harm the enjoyment of seeing it. If you are of the opinion that the plot of Ghost World is so exceptionally predictible that knowing it in advance wouldn't harm the viewer's enjoyment of it - well, I can't agree with you, and I think you should explain why you think so. Since the first sentence, despite being in a "Plot" section, was just a useful general statement about the subject of the film and not a spoiler, it was a good idea to separate it from the rest with a spoiler tag. Now, seeing that the anti-spoiler-tag party on Wikipedia:Spoiler is definitely prevailing, I have complied with the new version of the guideline (which I personally disagree with) and moved it to the lead instead. --91.148.159.4 21:58, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

I'd have left a note on your talk page but you aren't a registered user so I figured you'd be more likely to see it here.

I don't think that Ghost World is predictable, just that enjoying the film doesn't depend on being surprised by any plot developments in the way that knowing Darth Vader's true identity might "spoil" The Empire Strikes Back or knowing the plot twist in The Sixth Sense might ruin that movie. (Neither of which has a spoiler warning, by the way.) I just don't see how knowing that Seymour and Enid sleep together or that Rebecca decides not to rent an apartment with Enid at the end of the movie would make the film any less enjoyable, but maybe that's just me.

Like you, I'm disagree with the (emerging) consensus on spoiler warnings although for a different reason. I think our policy should be to eliminate the warnings entirely. One reason being that saying a film is "spoiled" by advance knowledge of a particular plot point isn't NPOV. I guess keeping the spoiler warning out of "Plot" sections is a fair compromise. --dm ^(talk) 22:55, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

About the note - that's a common mistake. In fact, as an unregistered user, one does receive messages and see big bright orange message notifications just like anyone else. In contrast, one doesn't have article watchlists. That means the surest way to contact an anon is via his/her own talk page.

As for Ghost World, I think that knowing the plot developments in advance does change one's perception of this film, just like most other films. It did have surprising moments for me - for example I had no idea how Enid and Seymour's relationship would develop. I dare say my experience of the film would have been very different if I had known what would happen from the start. I don't know about enjoyment, but almost any film is made with the assumption that it is going to be watched without prior knowledge of its plot, hence its overall intended effect is likely to depend on this. Also, it's all about details ; even Monty Python and The Holy Grail, which you mention on your user page, would be spoiled if the spoilers get detailed enough - if each particular joke is retold. In fact, that was more or less the case in the article about Monty Python and The Holy Grail, the last time I read it. --91.148.159.4 12:32, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject class rating

This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 01:35, 9 November 2007 (UTC)