Talk:Ghost Rider (Johnny Blaze)

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Contents 1 Cleanup 2 Ghost Rider is also an angel 3 Abilities 4 Lucifer

[edit] Cleanup

Ugh, this article is poorly written. A lot of run ons and incomplete sentences, and a whole bunch of thoughts that don't make sense.

Can somebody with knowledge of the character and grammatical prowess take a look at this? 207.114.232.98 16:55, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

The character biography page is a mess. Can we scrub this down to be about Johnny Blaze and remove excess fat about his mother and family? It's crowding the page and it's confusing. TotalTommyTerror 16:57, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

"Blaze would mistake Noble Kale for Zarathos during the subsequent Ghost Rider series (1990-1998), and after attempting to destroy him, eventually became an ally. Blaze, like his long-lost brother Danny Ketch (see below), is a direct descendant of Kale. (Blaze's last name is inherited from his father, Barton Blaze. Barbara and Daniel Ketch's true last names remain unknown as their father might or might not be Barton Blaze). Blaze was supposed to have become Kale's next host, but was spared because of a deal their mother made with Mephisto. However, Blaze became the host for another entity (Zarathos), who had been stripped of his memories and was originally under Blaze's control. As the series progressed, that control faded and Zarathos' true personality was evident whenever Ghost Rider was unleashed."

This whole chunk comes out of nowhere. Where does Blaze first meet Kale? Isn't Kale a person and not Ghost Rider, or is Kale Ghost Rider himself? Was Blaze the amnesiac or is Zarathos?

This whole page is a jumble. I'll give 24 hours for somebody with knowledge to come through and make better sense of the whole bio section before I strip it down to bits that make sense and perform some much needed grammatical surgery. TotalTommyTerror 17:03, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Ok, this hopefully gives a more accessible read now. I removed excess information from the character bio that didn't focus on Johnny Blaze. A lot of info about his family. I'm not against this being in the article, but it should go into a 'family bio' sort of thing. Because revealing the full scope of his mother's deal with Mephisto would be of great interest to anybody reading the article.

However, it was just so jumbled and out of place that it was clouding the article.

I removed some nonsense parts about Ketch and Kale. There is a Ghost Rider main article that lists more on these characters as well as links to their respective wikis, and information on them is not necessary.

What we're missing now is information on what Blaze did in between his ending of the curse and regaining his power. From Zarathos' wiki, it seems to me that the demon no longer exists inside of Johnny Blaze but blaze can still become the Ghost Rider. But this may be a conflict, maybe he is still inside of Blaze, (returned and repented?).

I'm going to go through the Ghost Rider serials as I can, and try and see if I can piece together the information. But help is always appreciated.

By the way, I strongly recommend the new Ghost Rider series, it is an excellent read and the art is tremendous. Except for the February issue, whoever drew that should go back to art school. It looks like a Bazooka Joe bubblegum comic. TotalTommyTerror 16:41, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ghost Rider is also an angel

In GHOST RIDER #18 “Revelations” arc revealed that Ghost Rider’s true nature turns out that he’s also an angel. [[1]] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.199.179.81 (talk) 02:31, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Abilities

While it is true that both Ghost Riders possessed all these abilities, Blaze only possessed some of these abilities. For example, he:
doesn't wield a magical chain,
doesn't use the "Penance Stare", and
doesn't wield a shotgun that can produce Hellfire.
Only the Daniel Ketch version does. For that reason, I think these should be removed from the 'Abilities' section for the Johnny Blaze version of Ghost Rider. User:FullyClothedMike

The main problem, of course, being that Johnny Blaze has all those abilities. Also, Dan Ketch never used a hellfire shotgun. That was Johnny Blaze the entire time. Shralla 08:49, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

From what I've read, he only possesses some of those abilities. He doesn't use a chain once in Volume One, Issues #1-50 of his series, or any of the preceding yarns he appeared in. As for him wielding the shotgun, I think I may have just ruined the story for myself. :(

[edit] Lucifer

Wasn't it retconned to were is was really Lucifer who made Johnny Ghost Rider and not Mesphisto after all? Bobisbob (talk) 18:52, 4 January 2008 (UTC)