Talk:German pocket battleship Admiral Graf Spee

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	German pocket battleship Admiral Graf Spee has been listed as one of the History good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can delist it, or ask for a reassessment.
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I question whether the title should be changed. Graf Spee was not a 'battleship'. She was an 'Armored Ship' or 'Panzerschiff', not a 'battleship'.

Contents 1 War Grave 1.1 Not a War Grave 2 Failed GA with invitation to renominate 3 Fair use rationale for Image:Admiral Graf Spee Cruising.jpg 4 Fair use rationale for Image:Admiral Graf Spee Scuttled.jpg 5 GA pass 6 Successful good article nomination 7 Fair use rationale for Image:Graf spee.JPG

[edit] War Grave

This is simply a question, please don't take it as hostile in any way.

"Many German veterans do not approve of this restoration attempt, as they consider the wreck to be a war grave"

Is this true? Since Graf Spee was scuttled after the battle presumably it does not hold any bodies? Mucky Duck 09:52, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Men were still killed on it during the battle. User:Bonnieblueflag

Thats true, but no men died on it when it sank and thats why it's not a war grave. Anyway, in the article it says that the damage on the graf spee wasn't that bad. The ship took a direct hit in the kitchens and langsdorff was unable to feed his man if he had to make a run for it back to germany. That's severe damage to be honest... And if he had sailed for germany, he had to either lose the three cruisers (Ajax, Achilles and Cumberland) or destroy all three of em. Both options were very unlikely to succeed. DTE 19:38, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Not a War Grave

Here is a site that provided a bit more info on the fate of the crew after the Graf Spee was scuttled:

Feldgrau.com - research on the German armed forces 1918-1945 Panzerschiffe Admiral Graf Spee http://www.feldgrau.com/grafspee.html
Created, maintained and Copyright © 1996-2006, Jason Pipes
User: Unclebucky

[edit] Failed GA with invitation to renominate

I've failed this WP:GAC nomination because the article has no line citations. Please review similar good articles and resubmit when ready. In other respects this looks like it would qualify for good article status. Durova 17:55, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Admiral Graf Spee Cruising.jpg

Image:Admiral Graf Spee Cruising.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

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BetacommandBot (talk) 06:58, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Admiral Graf Spee Scuttled.jpg

Image:Admiral Graf Spee Scuttled.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

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BetacommandBot (talk) 06:59, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] GA pass

[edit] Successful good article nomination

I am glad to report that this article nomination for good article status has been promoted. This is how the article, as of February 11, 2008, compares against the six good article criteria:

1. Well written?: Yes

2. Factually accurate?: Yes

3. Broad in coverage?: Yes

4. Neutral point of view?: Yes

5. Article stability? Yes

6. Images?: Fair-use with correct rationale and public domain

If you feel that this review is in error, feel free to take it to Good article reassessment. Thank you to all of the editors who worked hard to bring it to this status, and congratulations. Tim Vickers (talk) 02:55, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Two further suggestions:

• "A ruse by the British encouraged the captain to think that he was out-numbered" - unclear what this ruse was.
• Adding access dates to the website citations would be an improvement.

Done, thank you very much. Socrates2008 (Talk) 05:31, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

No problem. Tim Vickers (talk) 17:08, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Graf spee.JPG

Image:Graf spee.JPG is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

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BetacommandBot (talk) 22:17, 13 February 2008 (UTC)