Talk:Gerald of Wales

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Contents 1 How does John of Salisbury fit in? 2 Other works 3 Book II "Description of Wales" ? 4 Move?

[edit] How does John of Salisbury fit in?

"(John of Salisbury: recorded in "Descriptio Kambriae" 1193) by Giraldus Cambrensis)."

I wasn't quite clear about the brackets here. There's obviously one missing or one extra somewhere, but where? How does John of Salisbury fit in? Removed it to here for now.

Telsa 13:25, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Other works

There is a list of 17 extant works of Gerald's in the introduction to the Penguin Classic edition (Journey through Wales and Description of Wales, Lewis Thorpe). Is it addable? I'm not sure of the copyright niceties when it comes to copying an entire list verbatim. It is in this sort of format:

• Abbr. 1 first item's full long name volume and page number
• Abbr. 2 second item's full long name volume and page number

..where the volumes and pages all refer to Giraldi Cambrensis Opera, the details of which I would also have to copy in order for the list to make sense. Fair use, or not?

Telsa 13:25, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

Hey Telsa - Go ahead and add the citation to Brewer's editions for the Rolls Series of the Opera. Those books themselves are out of copyright, so you can certainly list them, and using Thorpe's translation of the titles should be fair use. Lutefish 27 October 2005 (UTC)

Suggest details of posts held-at least the Brecon archdeaconry-by this noted pluralist----Clive Sweeting

[edit] Book II "Description of Wales" ?

The current text seems to refer mostly to Book I of (the two-volume [1] Project Gutenberg Etext of) "Description of Wales" by G. Cambrensis.

Much of Book II makes a point of being very critical. As Cambrensis puts it, "an attention to order now requires that, in this second part, we should employ our pen in pointing out those particulars in which it seems to transgress the line of virtue and commendation".

Some aspect of this 2nd book, and and especially Cambrensis' intention in writing it, should probably be included in the article. Any suggestions?

Just to mention a few items form Book II:

CHAPTER I - Of the inconstancy and instability of this nation, and their want of reverence for good faith and oaths:

"These people are no less light in mind than in body, and are by no means to be relied upon. They are easily urged to undertake any action, and are as easily checked from prosecuting it - a people quick in action, but more stubborn in a bad than in a good cause, and constant only in acts of inconstancy".

CHAPTER II - Their living by plunder, and disregard of the bonds of peace and friendship:

"This nation conceives it right to commit acts of plunder, theft, and robbery, not only against foreigners and hostile nations, but even against their own countrymen".

and even;

CHAPTER VI - Concerning the crime of incest, and the abuse of churches by succession and participation:

"The crime of incest hath so much prevailed, not only among the higher, but among the lower orders of this people, that, not having the fear of God before their eyes, they are not ashamed of intermarrying with their relations, even in the third degree of consanguinity".

culminating in;

CHAPTER VIII - In what manner this nation is to be overcome

CHAPTER IX - In what manner Wales, when conquered, should be governed

though Chapter X does present the "inseparable/insuperable" comment and expresses doubt regarding any possibility of permanently subduing the country.

thanks, Wikityke 16:00, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Move?

Gerald of Wales is by far the most common was of referring to him in English sources. Anyone object to me moving it? Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 17:17, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Agree there are too many foreign words appearing in the names of articles in what is, after all, the English Wikipedia. Saga City 22:03, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Agree Most modern works I've seen refer to him as Gerald of Wales Ealdgyth | Talk 01:25, 15 November 2007 (UTC)