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[edit] Wikify

Apparently this article needs wikifying. According to the glossary, this means to add links to the text, which it already possesses, and to format it appropriately. I didn't think it was particularly out of line; I made a deliberate attempt to follow the general formatting used in other articles. Any ideas as to what's being referred to here? Be quite nice to avoid the same errors in the future. --Tailkinker 08:28, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Redirect is a spoiler?

Should the automatic redirect from The Adversary (Fables) be removed? The identity of the Adversary is a major spoiler, and the automatic redirect leads to two problems: (1) clicking on the Adversary's link inevitably spoils the Adversary's identity, and (2) users cannot be warned that they are going to be spoiled before clicking on the link.

I propose removing the redirect, putting some basic non-spoiler information about the Adversary on the new page, and putting a link to this page between spoiler warnings and without the character's name in the link text.

I realize I'm new to Wikipedia and this problem has probably been addressed before, but I can't think off the top of my head of an equivalent problem to check what's been done already. Thoughts? Kate Nepveu 00:20, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

I'm not against the principle. Sounds good; I suppose if you could even find a sihouette, it might be doable - however, I believe all references to the Adversary are already in spoiler-zones, meaning it is theoretically not a problem, as anyone who clicked the link is already voluntarily reading the spoiler. samwaltz 01:04, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

In links, mostly--the Homelands (Fables) page doesn't have the link within spoilers--but a search on "Adversary Fables" returns, as the first result, the redirect to this page.

In my case, I got spoiled by clicking on the link in the List of characters in Fables. It's true that the whole list is enclosed in spoilers, but there's no way to tell the magnitude of the spoiler from that list. If it had been a non-redirect page and I'd seen that the entire page was marked off with spoiler warnings, I'd have clicked away before my brain absorbed the text; but because it was a redirect, I couldn't.

Kate Nepveu 01:41, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

How about moving this page to The Adversary (Fables), preface it with a good two paragraphs about what is known about the Adversary before the revelation... then toss in a spoiler warning? samwaltz 02:08, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Sounds reasonable to me, but since I haven't got to the revelation in canon yet, either someone else will have to do it or it'll have to wait until I've read that far. => Kate Nepveu 11:01, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

I'm not that far yet, either. I wouldn't mind waiting for you to get that far, however you might want to put a call out on the Talk:Fables (Vertigo) page. Based on the fact that I'm the only one responding here, I doubt many others have it on theiir watch list. samwaltz 17:41, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

I disagree entirely, I'm afraid. His name is not "The Adversary", that's not even an official title, it's simply a nickname assigned to him by the other Fables; as such, it would most certainly not be appropriate to change the title of the page - real names should be used as page titles if at all possible. If people go to a page about the Adversary, then they should not be surprised to find that that page prominently features the identity of that individual - by definition, they are accepting the spoiler. If they actively search on "Adversary Fables" and get linked to this page, then, in my view, they are choosing to open themselves to finding out the character's true identity. There's only so much that we can cover on this one - if this page is to be truly encyclopaedic, we really can't hide the identity of the Adversary until a spoiler section at the end, particularly as his abilities are fundamental to how he ended up as the Adversary in the first place. I would be all for altering the Fables character list page and, as required, any other page about the comic, to have a small amount of detail about the Adversary, then provide the link to this page with a note that going there will reveal the real identity of the character, but that's about it. --Tailkinker 10:24, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

I just noticed precedent in other series that allows such a usage: The article Carver (Nip/Tuck) doesn't mention that the Carver was Quentin Costa until the fourth section. Quentin's page itself doesn't identify him as the carver until the end of the section Character history. We should also keep in mind the broad spectrum of secret/alternate identities which have separate pages: Clark Kent/Superman, etc. I'll keep my eyes open for other character-revelations. samwaltz 06:01, 2 September 2007 (UTC)