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A link containing correct coordinates goes to a page with incorrect coordinates

This link: http://tools.wikimedia.de/~magnus/geo/geohack.php?params=34_74_S_150_83_E_region:AU_type:city

Ends up on a page relating to these totally incorrect coordinates:

35° 14′ 0″ S 151° 23′ 0″E

... which basically is useless.

Why is this happening and can it be corrected?

74'-60'=14' -> 34_74 -> 34° + 1° + 14' = 35° 14' S => -35.14 regards --XN 13:18, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Many thanks - finally worked out that I needed to add decimal points to the minutes. Ended up with this, which is pretty accurate:

http://tools.wikimedia.de/~magnus/geo/geohack.php?params=34_44.7_S_150_49.65_E_region:AU_type:city

czech republic and experiment

I added following code into your page with various links to various maps into the chapter Czech Republic.

But when I visit this page with some coordinates I can see only the previous version. And when I click on "edit" I can see the new source code, not the old one. Could you please explain me what's wrong?

--147.230.151.146 16:12, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

It's already working. No problem. --147.230.151.146 18:52, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Windows Live Local

...doesn't seem to work; it just dumps the user at the main search page. Fix or remove? –EdC 14:04, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Agree -Coolhandscot 18:23, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
Commented out. Anyone who knows how to fix it, please do so. –EdC 20:56, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
Commented back in. It works fine for all the examples that I tried. Are you clicking on "Windows Live Local" instead of "Find this location"? If there is a problem link, include here and I'll take a look at it. Heptazane 21:42, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
It appears to serve up different content depending on the User agent string. I tried a couple of agent strings listed at that article; about half worked and half didn't. I don't think we can include it until it works for all legitimate browsers. –EdC 23:00, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
nb. "Windows Live Local" points at the Wikipedia article. –EdC 23:02, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
Supporting every browser on earth should not be a requirement for being in this page. To clarify I added a comment that not all browsers are supported. Google Maps lists the following browsers as being supported: IE 6.0+, Firefox 0.8+, Safari 1.2.4+, Netscape 7.1+, Mozilla 1.4+, Opera 8.02+. Should it not be included because there are others that it does not support? Heptazane 23:52, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
Well, there's a difference between supporting some browsers and locking out all browsers except a handful. Here's what Windows Live Local does:
Browser Locked out
IE 7.0 on Windows XP SP2 No
Firefox 2.0 on Ubuntu Linux No
Firefox 3.0a1 on Ubuntu Linux Yes
IceWeasel 2.0.0.1 on Debian Linux Yes
Epiphany 2.14.3 on Debian Linux Yes
Safari 3.0 (v521) on Mac OS X Yes
Netscape 8.1 on Windows XP Yes
Mozilla 1.7.8 on Linux Yes
Opera 9.10 on Windows XP Yes
Is there really any point in linking to a site that refuses access to the majority of mainstream browsers? –EdC 00:30, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
By contrast, Google Maps works (at least to a minimal level) in every browser I've seen, including text-based browsers (w3m etc.); it doesn't lock out any users. –EdC 00:39, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
If you check out Usage share of web browsers, you'll note that IE+Mozilla is 90-95% of the market, so the statement "majority of mainstream browsers" is, at best, not relevant because almost every last person that uses the link will see the page. Heptazane 19:27, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
Of 6 Mozilla-based browsers listed above, Windows Live Local locks out all but one. Perhaps we should only be considering IE usage share, which is steadily dropping. In any case, even if Windows Live Local gives access to 95% of users, that's still 1 in 20 (probably more, since Wikipedia users are more technologically capable than the majority, but anyway) that will click on that link, get dumped at the main search page, and assume that Wikipedia is broken. Is that really acceptable? All the other links in that first section at least try to serve up relevant content to users, regardless of whether their browser is supported. –EdC 23:09, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
It appears to have got a little better (allowing in Epiphany), but it still locks out Opera, Safari, Netscape etc. –EdC 22:32, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Considering that Google Earth is listed as a source, and that Google Earth is closed-source commercial software that's not available on a majority of operating systems (where's Google Earth for Solaris, OS/2, HP/UX, S/390, and Amiga?), why is there so much banter about Live Local? I really find it confusing that we need all sorts of disclaimers that it only works on "some versions" of Firefox. Plenty of other browsers have subpar JavaScript support, but we don't list disclaimers for other mapping sites. White 720 01:02, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Geo microformat

It would be good if your display of co-ordinates used the Geo microformat in the mark-up. Please let me know if you need further information. Andy Mabbett 08:38, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Tricky; the Geo microformat wants decimal degrees, but we allow dms in the various coor templates (see Template:Coor d et al). Might be possible to do something with m:ParserFunctions, but will it be worth the overhead? –EdC 12:16, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
Yes, I think the effort would be worthwhile but I'll raise the issue on the microformats mailing list. Andy Mabbett 12:29, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
I raised the decimal coordinates issue on the microformats wiki. No replies so far, but keep watching... Andy Mabbett 08:44, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
I think this has now been resolved; see Template:Coor/new/doc and please add comments of support (or criticism!). Andy Mabbett 09:40, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Map of Poland

At http://mapa.szukacz.pl is a map of Poland, which can be used to find any city in Poland and take a look on it at this map. Can you add this to that script? /Sorry for my English

Could you provide an example of a link to a particular location? –EdC 21:52, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Request Revision in the 'Global Systems'

USMapServer.com/WorldMapServer would like to request that its position in the list of 'Global Systems' be raised, for the following reasons:

  • It provides detailed maps to the individual street level (US);
  • It is the only? site which (attemps to) reverse-geocodes coordinates to a named map named/place, with a static page name which (tries to) correspond to the original Wikipedia page name - Gmaps, Ymaps, and MapQ do not do so.
  • It contains content prepared in-house and is not a G*gle mashup;

Thank you for your consideration. Middleforkmaps 04:36, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Correct me if I am wrong, but as far as I can tell, this service provides only a low level of detail outside the US, and has no 3D facilities. Viewfinder 11:21, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
Thats how it appeared to me too - outside the US it appears to be useful only for whole-country scale images, since the resolution seems to be too poor to see even large cities. (eg most cities in England), and there is only imagery, no map data. Usability also could be better (could possibly be due to my system setup). --Ozhiker 15:49, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Windows Live Local

The "find this location" links call up live local, but then takes me to a completely wrong location. Yes, I am using IE. I propose that this link is not fixed and should be deleted. Viewfinder 01:02, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

What page are you linking from that takes you to the wrong location? Heptazane 05:32, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Mount Everest 27°59′17″N, 86°55′31″ECoordinates: 27°59′17″N, 86°55′31″E. Not that I, personally, am too concerned, because the 3D image of Mount Everest on Live Local is absolute c**p. Lhotse is not shown as a separate mountain, there is no South Col. Compare it with accurate topography on Google Earth and Nasa World Wind. But for other parts the world, live local have better 2D imagery. Viewfinder 08:17, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Hang on a minute, I just rechecked it. The link is OK now! Someone seems to have fixed something, although I do not know what. I withdraw my first post to this section. But not my second. Viewfinder 08:25, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Decimals

How can I obtain decimals for geocordinates just by "clicking"?

I know how to calculate on my pocket calculator - but usually I need something like 43.231 deg rather than 43° 14' 22"

I added it at the top of the page. Hope this helps. -- User:Docu

maidenhead

you could add maidenhead grids, my jidanni.org site has a program. Also add some nearby confluence.org confulences. User:Jidanni

You should also add the Military grid reference system. Also, I bet it would be an extreme stretch to add LORAN TD coordinates. --  Denelson83  02:46, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
The other grids would go to meta:Gis rather than here. -- User:Docu

Geo microformat on GeoHack

Please add a Geo microformat to http://tools.wikimedia.de/~magnus/geo/geohack.php. It should be relatively easy to do, given the existing mark-up.

All it needs is for

<table>
<tr align="right">
<td><small>52.686° N</small></td>
</tr>
<tr align="right">
<td><small>2.193° W</small></td>

to become

<table class="geo">
<tr align="right">
<td><small><abbr class="latitude" title="52.686">52.686° N</abbr></small></td>
</tr>
<tr align="right">
<td><small><abbr class="longitude" title="-2.193">2.193° W</abbr></small></td>

if abbr is honoured, or alternatively to add an additional table

<table class="geo">
<tr align="right">
<td><small class="latitude">52.686</small></td>
</tr>
<tr align="right">
<td><small class="longitude">-2.193/small></td>

Personally, my preference would be for the latter in any case, as I prefer to see negative decimal values than Westings; and it would also facilitate copy & pasting of them as plain text.

Thank you. Andy Mabbett 09:24, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, everything except the <abbr> stuff can be done by simply editing the template itself, right? I'll look into generating the <abbr> tags soon. --Magnus Manske 10:42, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
Yes. Do you mean to imply that I can do it? I'm not sure I know enough not to do damage (and shouldn't such a widely-used template be protected, anyway?) Andy Mabbett 11:09, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

I think it would be reasonable to just change the second table to negatives since the first one already shows westings. This doesn't appear to be a regular template though, since the parameters are in single braces like {latNS} so parserfunctions probably won't work correctly. Is this specially parsed by the geohack script? —Quarl (talk) 2007-03-27 11:12Z

No idea - perhaps someone else can answer, please? I'm also confused by the relationship between Template:GeoTemplate and GeoHack. Andy Mabbett 11:18, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
I found a much simpler way to apply GEO, so did. I'm still not clear about the relationship between Template:GeoTemplate and GeoHack, though! Andy Mabbett 10:58, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Request: List specific country resources first

Would it possible to modify the script, so that resources specific to the relevant country get returned first ?

ie if the co-ordinate reference is in Germany, show resources for Germany first; if the co-ordinates are in the UK, show resources for the UK first.

This would hugely increase the usefullness, IMO Jheald


Degree Confluence Project

What about linking to the nearest point on the Degree Confluence Project? Andy Mabbett 11:39, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

The following could give a link, but not necessarily to the nearest point:
http://www.confluence.org/confluence.php?lat={latdegint}&lon={londegint}
http://www.confluence.org/confluence.php?lat={latdegdec}&lon={londegdec}
You may want to add them. -- User:Docu
Thank you; I've added the former, I'm not sure why we'd also need the latter? It seems to me that there are actually four relevant confluences for any point (other than actual confluences, of course) - those to the NW, NE, SW and SE; or, for, say, 52-32N 2-52W, those at 53N3W, 53N2W, 52N3W, 52N2W. Can anyone do the clever stuff, to produce these? Thank you. Andy Mabbett 18:52, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

mapy.atlas.cz

I was trying to modify the template to add http://mapy.atlas.cz, which uses following format:

http://mapy.atlas.cz/?q=49%C2%B058%2708.07%22N%3B%2014%C2%B007%2759.40%22E

It should be something like:

http://mapy.atlas.cz/?q={latdegabs}°{latminint}′{latsecdec}″{latNS}; {londegabs}°{lonminint}′{lonsecdec}″{lonEW}

and at the end behind # something like @app=0 for map and @app=2 for aerial pictures. Could you please let me do the right modifications? Or you you make these modifications? Also some testing with scaling should be done. I think it is parameter @sidx=8

Please answer to cs:Wikipedista diskuse:Jx.

--EnJx 18:34, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Geo microformat - successfully applied

How does this look: [1] ? Andy Mabbett 10:21, 30 March 2007 (UTC)