Talk:Georgian Uprising of Texel

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[edit] Reworked for Clarity

I shifted the article about for greater cohesion. I also edited the section on repatriation: most returned POWs were imprisoned, not executed. Crocodilicus 21:02, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Passage meaning

I couldn't understand this passage:

Stalin considered capture or surrender to be treason because the soldier did not fight to the death, so most of the two million Russian soldiers who had come under the control of advancing Allied forces were executed upon their return.

"Under the control of advancing Allied forces". It seems that those soldiers were under the command of soviet allies, by the statement. Wold it be Axis forces?

I couldn't find anything like that on Wikipedia.

Ihsuss 03:19, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing that out. Is it clearer now, after I rewrote it? They HAD been under Allied control (because they had surrendered or been captured), but WHEN the Russians eventually got them back, well....
StanZegel 03:58, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Stan, I don't know how it sounds in English (not a native speaker), but what about "who had been liberated by the advancing Alied forces". Or "freed". Perhaps it's already sounding like that, for a native. That's why I haven't changed the page.
Ihsuss 21:42, 30 Oct 2004 (UTC)
I've revised it again, and hope it is clearer now. One of the disadvantages of English is that we have so few pronouns that it is difficult to know to whom a pronoun refers when there are several parties in a sentence. If this still needs work, I'm willing to cooperate so that it is clear and understandable. That's the advantage of the Wikipedia: things gradually evolve so that the ambiguities get taken out. I think I got off course when I tried to salvage a sentence that was already existing in the original English article on Texel, and I started getting things confused. I should have been bolder in my original editing, but as a newbie, I'm trying to be very cautious and respectul of the work of others. I had confused myself when repying to your first post. Of course it should have said Axis, but I was thinking about when the camps came under Allied control. The POWs had certainly originally been under Axis, not Allied, control. That's what doomed them in Stalin's eyes. Regards...
StanZegel 23:45, 30 Oct 2004 (UTC)
What is your native tongue? I assume your surname is Suss, which I assume is Deutsch. Falls, woheraus kommen Sie?
StanZegel 23:45, 30 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Ich bin brasilianer, und ich sprache Portuguesich. And a very little bit of German. See my page for details on my name. About the passage, it seems fine now. Regards.
Though the separate statements are true, I doubt that the impression they give is. I believe these specific survivors were considered heroes in Georgia in the SU, and Stalin didn't touch them. Do we have sources on this, one way or the other? Aliter 00:27, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)
I based the unhappy ending on Stalin's usual treatment of returned POWs. I have no specific information about the Georgians once they were returned to the Red Army, so I have no objection if you want to remove or clarify it. Being more intimately familiar with Dutch history, you would know more about those details that I would. I was unaware of the nl: version of the page when I added so much to this one several weeks ago. I didn't see anything on the nl: page about the fate of the Opstander when I just looked at it just now. I wish my Dutch translation skills were better, I think much of the information on the nl: page should be here too. --StanZegel 04:33, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)
My knowledge is mostly a matter of trying to read up on anything I come accross. Eg. I just found: http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23028 which has some more information on this. Aliter 16:22, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)

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Why do en: and nl: disagree on the starting date? Aliter 22:25, 27 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Cause I messed up when I translated the initial version from the Texel website. Thanks for pointing it out; I've fixed it up now.--StanZegel 04:33, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Thank you. Let us hope the error didn't spread too wide, and is caught on the other Wikipediae as well. Aliter 14:04, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Tag & Assess 2008

Article reassessed and graded as start class. --dashiellx (talk) 15:31, 5 May 2008 (UTC)