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[edit] Languages used

The languages on the Guidestones are supposed to be in English, Russian, Hebrew, Arabic, Hindi, Chinese, Spanish and Swahili, and "additionally" in Sanskrit, Babylonian cuneiform, Egyptian hieroglyphics and classical Greek. Yet there are only four outer stones with the eight modern languages on them. Does anyone know where on the monument the four ancient languages are?

answer: the capstone faces..

--Each of the "modern" languages (English, Russian, Hebrew, Arabic, Hindi, Chinese, Spanish, Swahili) occupies one face of one of the four outer upright stones, and presents the "ten commandments" listed in he main article. The four "ancient" languages (Sanskrit, Babylonian, Egyptian, Greek) are inscribed one on each vertical side of the capstone, and contain only one line of text, purportedly, "Let these be guidestones to an age of reason." This text does not appear in English on the monument, but the translation, along with the identification of the languages, is on a separate stone marker placed nearby after the monument was erected. There is also a smaller upright stone in the center, which does not contain any text, but instead includes holes drilled for astronomical alignement. I am doing some research on the Guidestones, and hope to be including some additional information (and photos) in the article soon. --Craigkbryant 13:28, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Explanatory tablet text

I have just added the full text of the explanatory tablet that is located to the west of the monument. Since so much information about the stones seems to be derived from this tablet, I thought it appropriate to present the full text in all its glory. I can see that it needs some work to pretty it up and improve the formatting; I will take a stab at this in coming days.

If anyone else wants to work on this text, my only request is to maintain the original typography, punctuation, spellings, line breaks, etc. I think it is important to represent the inscription just as it is in reality. --Craigkbryant 16:53, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Masonic connections?

I am looking for supporting evidence or sources to go with the sentence, "Many believe it is connected in more than one way to the Freemason fraternity," in the introductory paragraph of this article. At present, I have nothing but this assertion to connect the Guidestones to Freemasonry. In particular, there are no words or symbols on the monument or the nearby tablet that I think of as characteristically masonic, nor is R.C. Christian described as a mason in any of the material I have assembled to date. I am therefore planning to remove that sentence from the opening paragraph, and possibly from the entire article. Can anyone step forward to provide sources?--Craigkbryant 14:45, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

According to the Grand Lodge of Georgia, there is a Masonic Lodge in Elberton, 8 miles away, and another one in the town of Bowman, which is also at some distance. But you might just as easily say that the Guidestones are "not far from" a gas station or a Baptist church. I am therefore removing the phrase about the stones being "not far from" a Masonic lodge. The question still stands about Masonic connections, as discussed above.--Craigkbryant 21:24, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
The last reference to the Freemasons in the article has been removed for lack of references/evidence.--Craigkbryant 15:30, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
The date 3/22 for Skull & Bones New Guy 00:49 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Here is your proof: The Age of Reason was a book written by Thomas Paine. Its intent was to destroy the Judeo-Christian beliefs upon which Western civilisation was founded. It tells a deistic and masonic story [1]--Stijn Calle (talk) 13:49, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Well, the link to Paine's book seems appropriate, but if you want to argue the masonic content of it, the place for that is probably in the article on The Age of Reason. As for "western civilization" being built on "Judeo-Christian beliefs"...Rome? Greece? Mesopotamia? In any event, those are issues to be debated on the appropriate page.--Craigkbryant (talk) 18:00, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Citations

I was going to add some citation requests throughout the article, but realized that it's almost entirely without cites. The sections referencing R.C. Christian and his intent in particular need help.Wyatt Riot 08:04, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] other guidestones?

Are there other modernly erected guidestones in other places around the nation or world? --voodoom 03:47, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Who has been there to the Georgia Guidestones?

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I have been to the guidestones. Honestly you aren't missing much. --Natjo1986 07:45, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Ditto! M1tk4 17:57, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Controversy

The controversy section now has an external link to a Canadian web site featuring an article on John Conner of "The Resistance". A Google search on this name brings us to this site [2] which looks like original research to me. While it may be true that John Conner has asked for the Guidestones to be removed, this external reference to Canada Free Press is not an authoritative reference. Both "The Resistance" and the Canada Free Press article just spout the same stuff that was correctly removed from this page.

I think we should remove the entire controversy section as it violates WP:OR. There is no controversy except in the minds of a very few people. If we accept this section then we should rightly add a controversy section to the page on the planet Earth, citing controversy that it is really flat. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.231.244.60 (talk • contribs) 21:53, January 21, 2007

For reference, this is the section that was removed:
==Controversy==
A California man named John Conner has called for the Guidestones to be removed from public property saying they are an occult monument.[3] He believes the name "R.C. Christian" is actually a reference to Christian Rosenkreuz, the supposed founder of the Rosicrucians, a secret society dating back to the 15th century.
Personally, I found the information interesting, and the Free Press article looks reasonable: [4], especially considering how few references there are on anything else in the article. In other words, in comparison to the rest of the article's references, the Free Press article looks like the closest thing we have to a "reliable source", so I recommend keeping it. --Elonka 02:47, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
FWIW, there is a long history between Wikipedia and John Conner, who has repeatedly tried to use this project to promote his "Resistance Manifesto". While we have removed his other "contributions" we have previously kept this one reference because it is non-promotional, relevant, and sourced. -Will Beback · † · 04:17, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] History

The history section is inconsistent with the section describing the monument itself. History claims R.C. Christian commissioned the monument, yet the section on the tablets relate that they are inscribed that RC Christian is the author. The monument is inscribed that "a small group of Americans" commissioned the monument. History should either get a solid citation for RCC being the person who paid for the monuments, or it should be changed to reflect what the monument itself claims. Or the history section could be cut down to just the verifiable facts. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.231.244.60 (talk • contribs) 22:11, January 21, 2007

The man who worked for the company that made these monuments was given the name of R. C. Christian by the person who paid for them. He was the only person to have met the man. Therefore his word on this matter is enough of a solid citation. Keep it the way it is.68.231.113.148 16:20, 11 July 2007 (UTC)The Mosquito

[edit] LRH Connection?

Steven Fishman claimed that these were erected as a monument to L. Ron Hubbard.[5] Any possibility of truth to that? Fishman's "Lonesome Squirrel" doesn't look, shall we say, entirely authoritative, but this claim doesn't seem entirely unreasonable.--VAcharon (talk) 00:53, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Fishman's story appears to be heavily dramatized, to put it politely. He claims in the leadup that someone told him the whole story of Xenu in a causal conversation. That doesn't happen in Scientology, ever. Anyone caught doing that (i.e. giving away Scientology's biggest secret for free) would be slapped so hard with ethics punishments his head would spin. WillOakland (talk) 05:58, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Does anyone else find this thing odd?

Forget all the mystery about who made this thing, has anyone taken the time to actually read what it says? Why do we have a monument standing in America that claims the world would be a better place if we could wipe six billion people off the face of the planet, roughly 92% of the total population. Likely, it claims the world would be a better place without you and yours'. Anyone else find this thing disturbing? —Preceding unsigned comment added by JG12358 (talk • contribs) 07:56, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Peculiar? I'm surprised nobody has made the link to the New World Order who are most likely behind exterminating most of the world's population. Watch this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyMU0YhxsB0&feature=related (Negotiations (talk) 21:04, 23 February 2008 (UTC))


It is odd, but I would think that (judging from the wording on the stones) that is hard to determine that the person who said that is advocating killing off the supposed surplus, or even mandatory sterilization. A great many of the problems that face us presently have to do with the amount of people living on earth at this moment, therefore it is easy to make the case for overpopulation, in 1980, as well as 1880, or even 1780 similar thoughts abound.
Having said that, there are those that advocate eliminating excess population, the inscription either is an honest account of someone's belief or coded words that signal other intents. "Tolerance" could have a coded meaning as well, it depends largely on what you are likely to be intolerant about. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.84.21.35 (talk) 14:52, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
Current world population is over 6 billion. Publically announcing that your stated goal is attaining half a billion (in a official and very expensive manner, by building a monument and hiding one's identity) WITHOUT saying how you are going to reach this goal is not a small thing. It is intellectually dishonnest to question the conclusions of others, that the only way to reach this goal is by mass murder. It is the only way (mass murder by state induced world war to be exact). The persons responsable for the stones had a reason not to discuss their methods. Therefore, there is nothing against expecting the worst. --Stijn Calle (talk) 17:34, 12 June 2008 (UTC)