Talk:Georges Bizet

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From the perspective of a modern physician, It is clear in retrospect that Bizet suffered from rheumatic fever (a post-infectious sequel to acute scarlet fever likely in childhood). He died of the accompanying rheumatic heart disease. The quincy noted elsewhere is what we would today call a peri-tonsillar abscess, the result of the infection itself, probably occurring years before his final death from heart failure. Today his scarlet fever would have been quickly treated with penicillin, thus avoiding rheumatic fever altogether; but had he somehow not received treatment and gone on to develop rheumatic heart disease he could have been treated with cardiac valve replacement.

Navins 18:03, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Contents 1 Pronunciation 2 Copyright Check 3 Grammatical error 4 Jewish Origin 5 Alleged copyvio 6 Numa (opera) 7 A "student assignment"? 8 Bizet's death from "angina"

[edit] Pronunciation

How do you pronounce the name 'Georges Bizet'? 212.76.37.162 10:50, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

"Jhorjhez Bee-zay", long o. 24.255.11.232 04:15, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

First name should just be "Jhorjh," only one syllable. The rest is silent.

[edit] Copyright Check

The entire main body of the article seems to have been copied and pasted from this site. Ross Uber - Talk - Contributions - 06:02, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Large sections do seem to have been lifted either from the page cited or from a common source. But it's a short standard biography - hardly a scholarly work. I would recommend rewriting/paraphrasing the article so there is no longer any problem.

Kleinzach 16:25, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Grammatical error

I believe that the very first sentence has a small grammatical error. Where it says: "He was born at Paris,", it should read: "He was born in Paris[[.]]" The "at" needs to be replaced by "in", and the coma by a period.

I only bother you with this suggestion, because I find your encyclopedia to be excellent, and just wanted to help, a little.

Regards, Ovidio--Operera 04:34, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Jewish Origin

With no concern for racism (I'm Jewish myself), I am just curious: Is there any evidence concerning Bizet’s religion? (He did marry Halevy's daughter...)

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I also am a Jew and find no evidence that Bizet was Jewish. In fact, Grove states that his "baptismal name" was Alexandre-César-Léopold. This article contends that his baptismal name was "Georges". Reconciling those statements aside, Jews don't "baptise", QED.

[edit] Alleged copyvio

This article was cited as containing possible copyvio from The Virginia Opera. That article was copied from us, not the other way around. The page cited as a 'source' is for an production of Carmen that's running right now, while most of the text in question has been in the article for ages, and the text appeared in dribs and drabs early in the article's history. this diff, where an existing sentance is rephrased into the wording cited as 'copyvio', is a good illustration. So I think we're okay here. -- Vary | Talk 04:16, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Numa (opera)

Has anyone got any proof of the existence of any such opera? In the Viking Guide it's not even listed among Bizet's uncompleted fragments. Either it's a hoax or someone has misinterpreted a Portuguese word as being a title or it's a garbled version of "Namouna", the poem by Musset that Bizet used for Djamileh. --GuillaumeTell 16:42, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Never heard of it. I agree with your theory. -- JackofOz 11:55, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] A "student assignment"?

I suggest removing:

" . . . evidently as a student assignment."

The statement cannot be documented and is certainly not evident.

The possibility that it was a "student exercise" appears to have originated with Howard Shanet in his 1958 article, "Bizet's Suppressed Symphony" (Musical Quarterly, 44:4, page 473): "Finally, the possibility must not be neglected that Gounod may actually have required Bizet to write the symphony after his pattern, as a student's assignment or exercise." Shanet's wording makes it clear that he is speculating.

There are problems, too, with:

"It seems that Bizet completely forgot about it himself, and it was not discovered again until 1935, in the archives of the Conservatory library."

This statement is simultaneously speculative and incorrect. Shanet deals with (and documents) the reason the symphony was "missing" for so many years, and the circumstances of its "rediscovery".

RussMartin4154 03:47, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

What in fact were the reasons for it being "missing", and the circumstances of its "rediscovery", RussMartin4154? -- JackofOz 04:22, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

JackofOz, if you E-mail me, I will send you a copy of Shanet's article. That will answer in considerable detail the likely "reasons for it being 'missing'" part of your question. With respect to the "rediscovery", some sources state that Bizet's widow donated it (along with other manuscripts) to the Paris Conservatory. Others suggest, more likely, that from her it went to the hands of a third party, very possibly Reynaldo Hahn, who gave it to the conservatory. RussMartin4154 23:13, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bizet's death from "angina"

However Bizet did not live to see its success, as he died from angina at the age of 36, a few months after its first few performances, on his third wedding anniversary.

Being that angina is not a fatal condition in itself (people die from heart attacks, angina is a condition resulting from the repeated symptoms leading up to a heart attack, the symptoms themselves not being fatal), I felt tempted to change this to "Heart Attack". After studying both the wiki articles for Angina AND Myocardial Infarction for clarification, I have concluded that I am doing the right thing by "being bold" and changing it. Feel free to counter my claim and correct any mistakes if you feel I am out of line.

Cheers!

Seary6579 (talk) 17:38, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

I also fixed a few comma splices.

Seary6579 (talk) 17:45, 31 December 2007 (UTC)