Talk:George de Mohrenschildt

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[edit] George H.W. Bush

Upon receiving notice to appear before Congress, George de Mohrenschildt suddenly decided it was a good idea to stick a shotgun in his mouth. For some strange reason, among his personal effects he had the telephone number of George Herbert Walker Bush, then Director of the CIA, and later President of the United States. But then again doesn't everyone have the phone number to the Director of the CIA in his/her pocket? — 172.169.7.101 21:19, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Do you have a cite for this? — 158.234.250.71 06:55, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

After De Mohrenschildt's death, his personal address book was located, and it contained this entry: "Bush, George H.W. (Poppy) 1412 W. Ohio also Zapata Petroleum Midland." There is of course the problem of dating this reference. George Bush had moved his office and home from Midland to Houston in 1959, when Zapata Offshore was constituted, so perhaps this reference goes back to some time before 1959. There is also the number: "4-6355." "GEORGE BUSH: THE UNAUTHORIZED BIOGRAPHY" - PART 3 of 8

Can someone check the Midland or Houston phonebook in the 1960's and verify this? — 172.133.136.218 13:34, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

I'd be interested in the answer, but you know we went to all-digit dialing most places in the late 1960's, so the number probably (almost certainly) dates from before that, to the time when GHW Bush owned the oil company that DeM worked for, and none of this has anything to do with what Bush was doing at the CIA in 1977 (long after phone numbers looked like that) in 1977. Pretty thin stuff for conspiracy. DeM had the name of his boss, in old style, and in such a way he didn't even have to remember the first two digits, which would of course have been some alphabetical mnemonic for that section of Texas. Find me that 2-letter alphabet mnemonic, add the 4 to it, and see if the complete 7-digit phone number matches on Bush's old company or home phone. But if it does, so what? SBHarris 21:04, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Well, it gets better. There exists a letter from De Morenschildt to the elder George Bush during the 1960's. They are clearly friends from the tone of the letter. In addition, we must remember only family and close friends got away with calling him "Poppy". Everyone who knows the Bushes knows that. — 172.163.230.164 19:26, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Okay, so? The man was a gregarious petroleum geologist and businessman who knew everybody (including Jackie Bouvier Kennedy's family when she was s pre-teen). And had every reason to know the Texas oil community as well as he could when he worked there, CIA or no CIA. Read his long autobio which he gave in testamony in the referenced notes to the Warren Commission. You'll know the man much better afterwards. SBHarris 01:48, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Yes, except Jackie never had links to the intelligence community (that we know of) unlike, Bush, Oswald and De Morenschildt. The conspiracy does not lie in the fact that Bush knew De Morenschildt. The conspiracy is that Bush, was an established CIA asset in Texas during the 1960's. (Well before he served as Director of the CIA) If you believe that the CIA was involved in the assasination of JFK, well you connect the dots....

Remember the Lincoln Assasination was part of a widespread conspiracy. The Jury is still out whether John Wilkes Booth had help from the Confederate intelligence services. Who knows political assasination might be the third oldest profession? Who killed Julius Caesar?

The other side of this is that Charles J. Guiteau and Leon Frank Czolgosz acted alone, so on the basis of those odds, it's 2 to 1 in favor of lone assassins when you get to JFK.

Way too much has been made to people having "links" to the "intelligence community" vs. (put it another way) just talking to the CIA (who gather information on foreign countries sometimes in the most efficient way, by simply debriefing people who've been there, and come home). Bush founded an oil company with a former CIA officer who still had CIA contacts, for sure. But so what? A lot of what the CIA does, perhaps most of what it does, is not James Bond stuff. It's strictly passive. Yeah it does a lot of time gathering "intelligence" about other countries. That means finding out about them. It all sounds so nefarious until you consider the alternative. Do you want the US government to go around in total ignorance of what everybody else in the world is doing? One man's intelligence gathering is another man's keeping informed. As Martha Stewart would say: "It's a good thing." SBHarris 04:25, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Methinks, we have another apologist for domestic warrant-less wiretapping by the Bush Administration. Benjamin Franklin said those who value security over liberty in the end will have neither. The CIA has no legitimate and legal interest in the business of domestic spying on American Citizens.

The CIA doesn't operate domestically. That's the FBI you're thinking of. And for the record, it was the FBI that de Mohrenschildt roundly hated, and said so at every opportunity. SBHarris 04:21, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] pro-Nazi plot to kill Joseph Stalin.[citation needed]

"Young George traveled around Europe and later claimed he was part of a pro-Nazi plot to kill Joseph Stalin.[citation needed]"

Anyone know where the heck this info came from?? It sounds like BS, but I'd like to know if it is legit. — Aliveboy 11:13, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

It has to be false and provably so, since DeM (as he says in his WC testamony, which is referenced) was in Texas working for Humble Oil by 1939, before Stalin and Hitler invaded Poland (DeM got papers to be mobilized in the Polish army in 1939, but couldn't make it back to Europe from the US, or so he said). I'll remove it and see if anybody has a source or sticks up for it. As for the Nazis, they had signed the non-aggresson pact with Stalin and were best buds in Sept 1939 when they were carving up Poland. And of course before Hitler invaded the USSR in June, 1941. After that, there might have been a Nazi plot against Stalin but by time DeM was still in the US. His sympathies were with the Poles, never for a moment with the Nazis or Hitler, who he hated for having invaded Poland. SBHarris 03:08, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Photo of the man?

We need a photo of the man. Didn't the Warren Commission publish one? SBHarris 02:53, 11 February 2008 (UTC)