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More information about this article... The following comments have been left for this page: Any article which omits GCMs role in the attack on Pearl Harbor is worse than worthless. As a relatively minor quibble, what I learned from reading a biography (by Leonard Mosley) is that GCM was so great because he was so great. (This is my opinion, not the author's.) His primary contribution to the Marshall plan was to follow Truman's order to announce it. (His qualification for the Nobel Peace prize seems to be in the class of Henry Kissinger's; Kissinger decided that Vietnam was to small for that war so he expanded it into Laos and Cambodia.) My biggest issue is the article's ignorance of Pearl Harbor. Robert Stinnett, in his book Day of Deceipt:... revealed that all the top civilian and military commanders in the US conspired to incite and aid the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, for the purpose of thwarting the will of the US populace, which was overwhelmingly against adding to the war. All accounts acknowledge he was nowhere to be found during the attacks, riding his horse in close proximity of Army headquarters. Finally, as Army chief of staff, Marshall had command responsibility for a strategy that called for mass murder of foreign civilians, not so much as a mission byproduct but as the primary goal. At least 4 attacks killed ~100,000 or more, making 9/11 seem like a minor incident in comparison, and it established a policy of US first use of nuclear weapons in warfare, endangering the entire world. Some details of my statement may be wrong, I think not substantially. Not addressing controversies associated with Marshall is irresponsible. The article Pearl_Harbor_advance-knowledge_debate at least recognizes alternative viewpoints. 71.108.176.73 00:03, 1 May 2007 (UTC) Richard Pietrasz, Rancho Cucamonga CA rivival37@msn.com (edit)

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Contents 1 His name is George C. Marshall not George Marshall 2 Marshall and McCarthy 3 Marshall & MacArthur 4 Uniontown 5 Move of Pronazi Views on the Eve of World War II to talk page 6 Pronazi Views on the Eve of World War II 7 USS George C Marshall 8 Weird Sentence and Combat Record 9 McCarthy's attack

[edit] His name is George C. Marshall not George Marshall

I have never in 40 years of reading history seen George C. Marshall referred to as just plain George Marshall until I came across this Wikipedia article looking for the skinny on George Marshall, the movie director. Please change it to George C. Marshall! It's like calling Joe E. Brown "Joe Brown." It's just not done.

Well, now: I've run that one up the flag pole. Anyone care to salute it?Shemp Howard, Jr. (talk) 03:00, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Marshall and McCarthy

I don't have textbooks/biographies in front of me but I believe severa statements in the following are incorrect:

"Shortly after Senator Joseph McCarthy denounced him for making decisions that "aided the Communist drive for world domination", Marshall "retired" in November 1945 and was named Secretary of State in 1947. As such, he designed the European Recovery Plan, which became known as the Marshall Plan, for which he was named Time Man of the Year in 1948 and awarded the Nobel Peace Prize in 1953. In 1949 he resigned from the State Department and was named president of the American National Red Cross. He was Secretary of Defense 1953-54."

1. I'm not sure McCarthy was even in Congress in 1945 - weren't his accusations circa 1953?

2. He most definitely was not Secy of Defense under Eisenhower (53-54). He was Sec. of Defense under Truman during the Korean War - circa 1951.

Who wrote this article?

Both of the aforementioned corrections are accurate. McCarthy attacked Marshall when he was Sec. of State, and that was in 50-51, not 53-54. In the future, feel free to research any potential corrections and make them. SpeakerFTD

[edit] Marshall & MacArthur

It has been alleged that, when MacArthur was Chief of Staff, he wrote an efficiency report on Marshall which suggested that Marshall was "not fit for command of anything larger than a regiment"...like, ouch. If true, it makes one look at MacArthur's relief in a slightly different light.

[edit] Uniontown

I am once again adding the location of Uniontown to the article. Uniontown is and has been for at least 30 years a suburb of Pittsburgh, to find the site today of countless memorials to George Marshall one would need to fly into the Pittsburgh International Airport drive past the burial ground of Gen. Braddock and Ft. Neccessity both results of the Battle for Pittsburgh in the 1750s and arrive very close to Fallingwater, the country home of a Pittsburgh industrialist, since of course Uniontown is in the "Pittsburgh countryside" at least to civic leaders and industrialists from the 1920s and 1930s. Interesting in hearing other views on this, I am not aware of any others than several Pgh industrialists, Neilsen media market definitions and the U.S. Census Bureau metro definitions.Hholt01 07:13, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Move of Pronazi Views on the Eve of World War II to talk page

I'm moving this section to the talk page. 2 problems - 1. it uses weasel words from only one source. The section seems to attack the individual instead of present the topic from a NPOV. (See my personal policy on unwarranted criticism sections. 2. Considering the neutrality topic at hand, we'll need peer reviewed or similar sources here.

[edit] Pronazi Views on the Eve of World War II

{{Weasel section}} {{Primarysources|date=January 2007}} The preeminent expert on the history of racism and anti-Semitism in the U.S. military, Professor Joseph W. Bendersky of Virginia Commonwealth University, has written The 'Jewish Threat': Anti-Semitic Politics of the U.S. Army; Basic Books, 2002) in which he assess that Marshall called his African-American soldiers "darkey" and was "hostile to integrating the army, warn[ing] that such proposals were pushed by the Communists".(pp.309-310) He also gave orders for a national speaking tour of U. S. military personnel made by Major Percy Black; This speaking tour was intended to spread a benevolent image of nazi Germany and deny any report of atrocities form them (pp.276-278) Marshall was also a devoted follower of General George Van Horn Moseley who publicly tried to organize a national U.S. branch of the worldwide nazi/fascist movement; Marshall continued to give Top Secret data to Moseley until at least 1940 (pp.249-255, 309) The David S. Wyman Institute for Holocaust Studies, 2005 http://www.wymaninstitute.org/letters/2003-11-13-wp.php

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Chupper 01:42, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

First, Bendersky is a professor at a 3rd rate institution and hardly the "preeminent" expert on anything. More to the point, the inclusion of this section violates WP:NPOV#Undue_weight guidelines in regard to minority opinions. --Strothra 15:03, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] USS George C Marshall

I think this article should have a link to the USS George C. Marshall article, but I'm not sure where the best place to put it would be. JNW2 15:25, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

I added it to the "See also" section where related Wikilinks generally go.--Strothra 15:33, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Weird Sentence and Combat Record

A strange sentence, after the description of his death: "Like Eisenhower, he is recognized as a great American soldier despite never actually seeing combat."

He was in France during WWI. What exactly does "never actually seeing combat" mean? If you were in a leadership position in the Army in France during WWI, what exactly would be required for you to have "actually seen combat"? Would you have to be wounded to "actually see combat"? Or would it be sufficient to serve as an officer in a platoon at the front? A company? A regiment? A division? Would you have to actually see somebody being bayonetted to "actually see combat"? Or would it be sufficient to see an artillery barrage?

Carl Gusler 18:56, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Marshall had to have seen combat, he was awarded the Silver Star which is only rewarded as a result of combat actions --71.61.169.70 (talk) 02:15, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

http://www.defenselink.mil/specials/secdef_histories/bios/marshall.htm He saw combat, I'm going to remove that sentence --71.61.169.70 (talk) 02:18, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] McCarthy's attack

What about my edit earlier today referencing Henry Stimson's regard for and Truman's vigorous defense of Marshall? These statements reflected the POV of those parties and were sourced accurately. Was this a robot that reverted my edit? I would like to include this information somehow.Russell Abbott 05:23, 8 October 2007 (UTC)